Top Gear To Do A Gt4 Feature

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Scaff
For me the single most important thing said was when JC was driving the NSX on GT4.

"Feel the understeer building up - That is realistic."

It adds one more person to the list who 'know' that understeer is not overdone in GT4, but rather that heavy understeer is a fact of life when driving at the limit on a track.
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Here you are, taking an indirect crack at me, and you didn't even read my post in the other thread, did you... :grumpy:

You can toot your understeer horn all day, but when the rest of the physics engine doesn't allow you to properly escape that understeer, or avoid it in the first place, you might as well call it "overdone."

I haven't had a chance to see the video yet, but I did notice elsewhere in this thread that he complained about mid-corner throttle input? I assume he meant that when he mashed the throttle, the rear end stayed planted -- in other words, that the car simply understeered more...

I also noticed that you called that "a common flaw in racing sims"...What the hell? Is that your blanket excuse to cover GT4's behind when you can't think of anything else?
 
Why is everyone so worked, is it the fact that he said the differences are big or that he mentioned the lap times? Because ultimately, the lap times wern't all too important, we all know you can drive faster in GT4 that real life for any number of reasons. If you listen to his commetns about the game, he said the brakes were better than real life, he said you can adjust the throttle mid-corner, which if you did in real life would send you straight off the track. He said the game didn't give you any input in comparison to real life, ie you don't a get a feel for the track as much with the bumps and forces ect. It wasn't a scientific test, it wasn't meant to be, it was just a quick, simple comparison, get over it.
 
I downloaded the video and watched it yesterday and I thought is was very cool!!!

I'd love to be able to get a chance to try it out in real life :)
I just bought a nice yellow new NSX just to beat Jeremys GT4 time :dopey:
 
Wolfe2x7
Here you are, taking an indirect crack at me, and you didn't even read my post in the other thread, did you... :grumpy:

You can toot your understeer horn all day, but when the rest of the physics engine doesn't allow you to properly escape that understeer, or avoid it in the first place, you might as well call it "overdone."

I haven't had a chance to see the video yet, but I did notice elsewhere in this thread that he complained about mid-corner throttle input? I assume he meant that when he mashed the throttle, the rear end stayed planted -- in other words, that the car simply understeered more...

I also noticed that you called that "a common flaw in racing sims"...What the hell? Is that your blanket excuse to cover GT4's behind when you can't think of anything else?
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First off Wolfe I think you need to calm down a lot, this was not a direct or indirect crack at anyone at all. If you are feeling so ill at ease with the world that you feel the need to imagine slights when none exist then you have much deeper rooted issues.

Additionally, how do you know if I read you're post in another thread or not? I did read it, I just did not reply quite simply because I have a family and kids who are more important to my time, particularly at Christmas and the New Year. In short, I forgot about the thread in question.

As you also say you have not seen the video, I on the other hand have watched it a good number of times now. JC's comments with regard to playing with the throttle mid-corner appear to be directed more towards the area of lift-off oversteer that understeer.

I am not going to re-open a debate in understeer here, my quote was one directly taken from Top Gear, if you have an issue with it I strongly recomend you first actualy watch the piece in question and then mail Clarkson himself.

If you want my honest opinion, you're 'GT4 is all bad' attitude towards any post is growing (for me) a little tiring, a new member posts a thread about how he finds GT4 licences and mission frustrating because of the times allowed. The first post from you simply states how you assume he means that PD screwed the handling.

The member in question never even mentioned handling, from my perspective you failed to address any of the issues they mentioned and just used you're post as another chance to have a crack at GT4.

The whole anti GT4, pro EPR has started to take on a more than Fan-boyish flavour. One that I have no desire to indulge you in.



Regards

Scaff
 
The most important thing he didn't do is switching to N3 tires. The real NSX would probably come would some sticky street tires, so N3 would probably be the closest to the real thing. I tried the NSX with N3 and the best time I got is 1:49:5, so 1:57 in real life is not too bad.
 
Kenned K
Here is a link to the episode:
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As all Top Gear material is copyright of the BBC (and one they take very seriously) I would strongly advise removing that link.

You will also find that posting it is against the AUP here at GTP.

Regards

Scaff
 
Please British Peeps to be Telling Me (1:57 vs 1:41) of Bleedin' What?

Scaff
The wonder that is Laguna Seca, one hell of a track to try and beat you're own GT4 time at. Its easy to throw yourself at the corkscrew in GT4 (after brake to late in GT4 and you don't die), quite a different thing on the real track.
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Thanks Scaff , but Both those times seem a mite sluggish if you ask me. The Laguna in real life can be mastered and that 1:41 is pathetic for any NSX . Loved to have watched it so I could give you a real opinion.
 
VeilsideR33sub
Thanks Scaff , but Both those times seem a mite sluggish if you ask me. The Laguna in real life can be mastered and that 1:41 is pathetic for any NSX . Loved to have watched it so I could give you a real opinion.
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The GT4 time is open to great debate as we have no idea what tyres he was using.

In regard to the real life time, it is worth remembering that JC is not a raceing driver (nor would he ever claim to be) and it was his first visit to Laguna Seca. From watching the piece, it does appear that fear was a major factor for JC, it is a very tricky circuit from every account I have read of driving it.

Regards

Scaff
 
Scaff
The GT4 time is open to great debate as we have no idea what tyres he was using.

In regard to the real life time, it is worth remembering that JC is not a raceing driver (nor would he ever claim to be) and it was his first visit to Laguna Seca. From watching the piece, it does appear that fear was a major factor for JC, it is a very tricky circuit from every account I have read of driving it.

Regards

Scaff
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Understood , I surmised it was the Stig that would have done the run considering its a race course . There are many ways to screw a run up in real life so it's not suprising that Clarkson would have pulled it a little for self-preservation's sake.
 
Scaff
As all Top Gear material is copyright of the BBC (and one they take very seriously) I would strongly advise removing that link.

You will also find that posting it is against the AUP here at GTP.

Regards

Scaff
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If you live in the UK and are in a TV license paying household downlaoding that is perfectly legal, if you are not, then downloading it is not.

I'd take Scaff's advice and remove the link since it's pretty clear that not everyone on here who downloads will meet that crietria.

Anyone can download what available here though.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/downloads/
 
VeilsideR33sub
Please British Peeps to be Telling Me (1:57 vs 1:41) of Bleedin' What?
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Minute's and seconds perhaps, they're the lap times. I don't really get what your saying here.
 
Scaff, I'll be taking this one to PMs.

Anyway, isn't Clarkson having trouble with his back? That could be another culprit in the slower laptimes, but I think it's safe to assume that most of it is simply the game. :lol:
 
Thats the first I've seen of the top gear series, seems kinda over budget lol. Apache vs Lotus/DB9 vs Train? Cool none the less.Damn wish I could try laguna once!
 
Wolfe2x7
Anyway, isn't Clarkson having trouble with his back? That could be another culprit in the slower laptimes, but I think it's safe to assume that most of it is simply the game. :lol:
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He did near the end of last season but his backs been better for a while now, he wasn't allowed to drive until it was.
 
I saw that Top Gear show to, nice item that comparison between GT4 and the real life track. Although I do think the GT4 time would have been closer to the real one if he had used a NSX instead of the NSX-R.


To bad it was the last episode for that season, now we have to wait till the spring :(

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Hebruins
I saw that Top Gear show to, nice item that comparison between GT4 and the real life track. Although I do think the GT4 time would have been closer to the real one if he had used a NSX instead of the NSX-R.


To bad it was the last episode for that season, now we have to wait till the spring :(


For those of you that don't have BBC2 reception on there TV: take a look here (mayvbe already posted, if so sorry for the repost)

****** (the 27th of december 2005 episode has the GT4 item)
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Not sure if that link is perfectly legal...
 
King Cockery
Not sure if that link is perfectly legal...
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Unless the site in question has permission from the BBC (which I doubt very much) then it's a breach of the AUP, best thing the poster can do is remove the link.

Regards

Scaff
 
allrightythen......


I deleted my link, although I realy see no point in it, because on that site is such a big TGfan-community that it can't be unnoticed bij TG/BBC. And also can't be still online if TG/BBC was against that site....

But I don't wanna break any boardrules here, even if they are not right in my opinion ;)
 
top gear should invite kaz y and let him drive the reasonably priced car
his driving is okay but he isn't that great, there has been plenty of comparisons in the past it's obvious GT is not realisitic in the sense of experience, but it's physics are pretty accurate. Can't wait for gt5:D
 
what tires did JC use in gt4...if he used meds compared to roads his times would be severly different...and he was using a ds2 and not a dfp.....they should retest!👍
 
dking
what tires did JC use in gt4...if he used meds compared to roads his times would be severly different...and he was using a ds2 and not a dfp.....they should retest!👍
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I kinda agree, but it wouldn't change the main point of that which is, that you can't fully simulate racing even tho games are quite advanced like GT4.
 
RETEST YEAH MAN!!!

Damn they need to drive it with DFP with the NSX instead of NSX-R and on the right tyres....

BUT! The question asked in the beginning, can you learn a circuit with a game? Well I think you can, if you know what the difference is between the game and real life, and alonso sure does, then he could learn Suzuki Circuit for example.

It's a bit unfair to get a track with the scariest corner in the world in it....it's really asking for the one thing the PS2 will never have and thats the adrenaline you get from the scariest corner ever lol.
 

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