Track Limit Abuse by most Top 10 Drivers

[mirial]

This thread just goes round and round and round in circles haha A bit like this little chap here..


Everyone thinks they have the answer.. but nobody really has the answer! It's probably best to leave a driver to make their own judgements until PD gets a sniff of this sloppy breach on their part and updates GTS with more stringent penalties for track abuses that certain people consider par for the norm 👍

Carry on guys!

And I reckon the top 24 in TTs and races will look rather different as well because there are a bunch of drivers out there who have properly practised two wheels on the track at all times for years, which is considerable more difficult to master than corner cutting / exceeding exit kerbs with very little chance of losing control.

 

[baldgye]

And I reckon the top 24 in TTs and races will look rather different as well because there are a bunch of drivers out there who have properly practised two wheels on the track at all times for years, which is considerable more difficult to master than corner cutting / exceeding exit kerbs with very little chance of losing control.

Yeah, I can imagine it takes more skill to be slower

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Yeah, I can imagine it takes more skill to be slower

It certainly takes more integrity/pride to be slower, if abiding by some sort of reasonable track limits come into play.

 

[baldgye]

It certainly takes more integrity to be slower, if abiding by some sort of reasonable track limits come into play.

So, by my calculations, in order for you to be a real racing driver, you first need to be, ethical, moral and have strong integrity.... If that makes you slower then I guess that’s just ‘motor-racing’

I guess then, you’d have to ask, how many Formula One World Champions are actual racing drivers...

 

[Tassie_tiger]

So, by my calculations, in order for you to be a real racing driver, you first need to be, ethical, moral and have strong integrity.... If that makes you slower then I guess that’s just ‘motor-racing’

Take your pick mate.
If you are happy to run ridiculously off-track to maintain corner speed and couldn't give a damn about any sort of resemblance to track limits, that's up to you.
Personally, I'ld rather drive the track as intended, and take the consequence that my lap time may be slower.

 

[zzz_pt]

And I reckon the top 24 in TTs and races will look rather different as well because there are a bunch of drivers out there who have properly practised two wheels on the track at all times for years, which is considerable more difficult to master than corner cutting / exceeding exit kerbs with very little chance of losing control.

I did 11 races that day. All of them had top10 drivers in it. Won all of them without using the inside white curb on turn 4 once.

It's not harder to have 2 wheels on track. Maybe for you.

 

[baldgye]

Take your pick mate.
If you are happy to run ridiculously off-track to maintain corner speed and couldn't give a damn about any sort of resemblance to track limits, that's up to you.
Personally, I'ld rather drive the track as intended, and take the consequence that my lap time may be slower.

If the way I drive (of which you have little to no knowledge off apparently) isn’t penalised by the rules set by PD, then I’ve not infringed any track limits...

Remind me again who’s taking their pick?

 

[Tornado]

Happy to hold a little integrity, than go balls out.

It certainly takes more integrity/pride to be slower, if abiding by some sort of reasonable track limits come into play.

However you want to excuse lack of skill is your own business.

Personally, I'ld rather drive the track as intended, and take the consequence that my lap time may be slower.

You know how the track was intended to be driven more than the people who created the track and its limits?

 

[Tassie_tiger]

I can only assume you people haven't seen the complete piss-take that is the first sector on Nurb GP.

@Tornado
At over 300 Sport Mode races with over 100 wins, over 100 poles, over 100 fastest laps, and an S/S driver, call it as you see it.
No, I'm not the fastest kid on the block, but I'm no clown either.

 

[Mr616]

That's cool.
But I wasn't referring to Maggiore.

Nurb GP is my bugbear at the moment.
It's frankly ridiculous to see top 10 drivers, or anyone for that matter, abusing track limits to that extent.
Allowable or not.

Agree that turn 2 into turn 3 at Nurb is a mess for running as wide as the track limits currently allow, although in race, that wide line just opens you up to be overtaken. I "did" a few people there yesterday who were going wide.

 

[Spurgy 777]

And I reckon the top 24 in TTs and races will look rather different as well because there are a bunch of drivers out there who have properly practised two wheels on the track at all times for years, which is considerable more difficult to master than corner cutting / exceeding exit kerbs with very little chance of losing control.

It really isn't more difficult, running past the white lines is far more difficult because it usually makes the car a lot more unsettled and harder to control and in some cases requires you to take a line that has to be far more accurate than staying within the white lines otherwise you risk crashing. The top 24 would look almost exactly the same as well and you know that. There is a mountain of evidence that the same people will be on top regardless of what the rules are, for example any time trial at Suzuka, Bathurst, Alsace, etc, any track where there is basically nowhere you can run 4 wheels past the white lines, the same people are setting the fastest times. Those same people also set top times in GTPWRS and other series where the track limit rules are stricter. As well as that at tracks that you can run all 4 wheels past the white lines for the most part it doesn't gain you much time, even at Nurb which is one of the more extreme examples I'll only gain about a tenth or two by running wide. So you know full well that saying the top 24 would look any different if the rules changed is nonsense and is frankly just used as an excuse for people who are slower.

 

[Tornado]

I can only assume you people haven't seen the complete piss-take that is the first sector on Nurb GP.

Does it stay within the track limits established by PD to set a clean lap?

At over 300 Sport Mode races with over 100 wins and an S/S driver, call it as you see it.

For all I know you've won a hundred races at Tokyo with a Megane by affixing a rubber band to the analog sticks and are just a colossal hypocrite. It's all irrelevant to your attempt at moralizing that people utilizing all steps to perform well in a dedicated E-Sports title aren't doing so the way you want them to (rather than ways that are actually against the limits set by the developer of the game, consistent with the limits set for previous games and events they've done in the past), so it's an issue of integrity.

 

[Skiddy]

If the way I drive (of which you have little to no knowledge off apparently) isn’t penalised by the rules set by PD, then I’ve not infringed any track limits...

Remind me again who’s taking their pick?

If it's not penalised, it doesn't make it right. Look at AI drving, they will never cut corners like that, because they are driving within the actual limits of the track, set by PD.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Does it stay within the track limits established by PD to set a clean lap?


For all I know you've won a hundred races at Tokyo with a Megane by affixing a rubber band to the analog sticks and are just a colossal hypocrite. It's all irrelevant to your attempt at moralizing that people utilizing all steps to perform well in a dedicated E-Sports title aren't doing so the way you want them to (rather than ways that are actually against the limits set by the developer of the game, consistent with the limits set for previous games and events they've done in the past), so it's wrong.

For all I know you don't even own the game, and have turned up with your typical attitude of getting into a debate for the fun of it.

Do some research.
Find out how small the percentage of DR S drivers there are in the game.
And then come back at me with me being "unskilled" in this game.

Actually cancel that.
You clearly have no clue about what is being discussed, so any of your comments from this time forward will be ignored.

 

[Tornado]

If it's not penalised, it doesn't make it right.

Ethics/morality are irrelevant.

Look at AI drving, they will never cut corners like that, because they are driving within the actual limits of the track, set by PD.

This is the kind of comparison you think people in the Top 10 of leaderboards should restrict themselves to?

 

[baldgye]

If it's not penalised, it doesn't make it right. Look at AI drving, they will never cut corners like that, because they are driving within the actual limits of the track, set by PD.

No they aren’t, I’ve seen the AI corner cut and drive bomb into me fairly often... They also (unless manually changed) run with all assists and boost enabled, does that mean PD want everyone to race like that?

Nope.. try doing the dragon trail circuit experience thing... pretty sure they expect you to cut the final chicane

 

[Skiddy]

Ethics/morality are irrelevant.




This is the kind of comparison you think people in the Top 10 of leaderboards should restrict themselves to?

Clap,clap,clap..nice job, posting gt6 video on monza.

Now be a sport and post a video that is relevant to the discussion..

No they aren’t, I’ve seen the AI corner cut and drive bomb into me fairly often... They also (unless manually changed) run with all assists and boost enabled, does that mean PD want everyone to race like that?

Nope.. try doing the dragon trail circuit experience thing... pretty sure they expect you to cut the final chicane

Raced AI yesterdy on the track in question, magiorre. Never saw AI cut corners like zzz.

 

[nord_clane]

WTF guys now the AI is setting the standards? This Thread keeps getting better and better

 

[Skiddy]

WTF guys now the AI sets the standards? This Thread keeps getting better and better

Not standards, more like guidelines..

 

[baldgye]

Raced AI yesterdy on the track in question, magiorre. Never saw AI cut corners like zzz.

Well done?

So your saying that corner cutting is fine, UNLESS it’s identical to the OP’s example?
PD didn’t penalise ZZZ there, so why would Dragon Trail be any different?

But then, I guess you can change the conversation to be what ever inane point you want, like bringing up the monumentally irrelevant AI and suggesting PD expect us to race like them

 

[Tornado]

For all I know you don't even own the game, and have turned up with your typical attitude of getting into a debate for the fun of it.

I in fact don't even own a PS4. I'm still more than familiar with the kind of moral posturing that you and others have been doing in this thread, though, since repeating the same arguments that people made 17 years ago when they weren't good enough at Melee, MvC2 or CvS2 to win doesn't make them more true just because only now people who follow this franchise are experiencing the gulfs between truly competitive players and people who are just pretty good.

Do some research.
Find out how small the percentage of Dr S drivers there are in the game.
And then come back at me with me being "unskilled" in this game.

You certainly seem unskilled enough to suggest that these people that are faster than you aren't competing against you fairly, and that that's why they're faster.

Clap,clap,clap..nice job, posting gt6 video on monza.

Now be a sport and post a video that is relevant to the discussion..

It is relevant to the discussion. Ever since GT Academy was a thing people who weren't just trying to get free cars have complained that PD's established track limits aren't fair to those who claim they are arbitrarily limiting themselves and as a result losing out to those who weren't. This has already been pointed out in this thread. Should people have limited themselves to how the AI raced in GT6 in the GT6 Academy events, slowing down on straightaways if they are going too fast and not even touching curbs unless it is a hairpin? Were those the "guidelines" that players needed to be shackled to then?

 

[Tassie_tiger]

If the way I drive (of which you have little to no knowledge off apparently) isn’t penalised by the rules set by PD, then I’ve not infringed any track limits...

Remind me again who’s taking their pick?

I believe we both are.
True?
(I don't believe I ever accused you of doing so, nor suggested you personally did, but let's carry on regardless)

There is no question the current state of sector 1 Nurb GP is a horror show.
If you choose to abuse the track limits to the extent I have seen it abused, that's up to you.
As I've said repeatedly, I choose not to.

Is there an issue with my choice?

 

[nord_clane]

Not standards, more like guidelines..

Guidelines......are you serious? That doesn't make sense either.

 

[JacksHerer]

If you want to do off track lines, be sure to switch on CSA, otherwise running across the curbs could cause you to spin.

This is a game, play the game how you want, it's meant to be fun.

 

[baldgye]

I believe we both are.
True?
(I don't believe I ever accused you of doing so, nor suggested you personally did, but let's carry on regardless)

There is no question the current state of sector 1 Nurb GP is a horror show.
If you choose to abuse the track limits to the extent I have seen it abused, that's up to you.
As I've said repeatedly, I choose not to.

Is there an issue with my choice?

The issue isn't the choice you are making, it's the justification you use.
Pretending that you have some sort of moral/ethical high ground, because you refuse to take the fastest accepted line.

You can (and I imagin will) do what you like, but you can't then accuse other people of very silly things simply because you don't like it.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

The issue isn't the choice you are making, it's the justification you use.
Pretending that you have some sort of moral/ethical high ground, because you refuse to take the fastest accepted line.

You can (and I imagin will) do what you like, but you can't then accuse other people of very silly things simply because you don't like it.

What?

I simply put forward my opinion on the matter.
I didn't "accuse" anybody of anything.

I said it's ridiculous how the track limits were being abused.
And that personally I prefer to not abuse the track limits in that fashion.

Are you suggesting the track limits aren't being abused?

 

[mirial]

Yeah, I can imagine it takes more skill to be slower

It does indeed because there is much more precision and risk involved because of the loads/slip angle relative to the kerbs if you choose to stay within the de facto two wheels on track rule, so yeah you're right.

So you know full well that saying the top 24 would look any different if the rules changed is nonsense and is frankly just used as an excuse for people who are slower.

Not an excuse at all, just irritating that PD have been IMO, very sloppy with the track limits, although generally, I've been more competitive on tracks in TTs and races where track boundaries are much more arbitrary.

I did 11 races that day. All of them had top10 drivers in it. Won all of them without using the inside white curb on turn 4 once.

It's not harder to have 2 wheels on track. Maybe for you.

Not at all really so long as visibility is good, I just consider sticking to the two wheels on track rule better to the one that is being flouted, not least because I think it's not good for practicing race pace, and therefore true pace.

You should continue corner cutting in the race and just blow everyone away more than normal

 

[Mr P]

Wow! Just heard a whisper that PD has put an order in for some of this Killer grass! Expect to see it in game soon!! 👍

 

[baldgye]

Are you suggesting the track limits aren't being abused?

Yes.
Did ZZZZZZZZZ get a penalty? No.
Have PD consistently allowed this kind of driving? Yes.
What are PD doing about track limits? Nothing.

You can't be abusing rules you are following.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Yes.
Did ZZZZZZZZZ get a penalty? No.
Have PD consistently allowed this kind of driving? Yes.
What are PD doing about track limits? Nothing.

You can't be abusing rules you are following.

Once again, I'm not talking about Maggiore.
How difficult is that to understand?

I'm talking sector 1 Nurb GP.
And yes, regardless of how you wish to call it, the track limits are being seriously abused.

People make their own call as to how they treat it.
I've expressed mine.