Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen

[YSSMAN]

So in case you've been living under a rock, they're making another Transformers movie. To that end, Mike Bay has made a lot of big promises, and with all the kids and their picture-phones, images are flying across the internets along with plenty of story leaks and so on.

Although I doubt I'd have much to hate in this movie, I'm most excited hearing about the new Robots.

The Transformers Live Action Movie Blog has essentially been the place I've been seeing/reading a lot about the movie from, and most-recently, there have been some awesome set captures.

Its little things like that that get me all excited...

Looks like Bumblebee has had a small makeover... And thats a Chevy Beat in the background... Hmmmm...

I think this is what I like best:

Autobots

Optimus Prime - Peterbilt 379EX
Bumblebee - 2009 Chevy Camaro
Ratchet - Ratchet H2
Ironhide - 2007 GMC Topkick C4500
Jazz - 2008 Pontiac Solstice (rumor)
Arcee - 3 Can-Am Spyders or 2 Trikes (alt mode unconfirmed)
The Twins - Ice Cream Truck unknown type (rumor)
Stinger - Porsche or Acura NXS (alt mode unconfirmed)
Wheels - Toy Size RC Jeep (alt mode unconfirmed)
unknown - 2009 Chevy Beat (rumor)

Decepticons

Starscream - F-22 Raptor
Scorponok - metallic scorpion (return not confirmed)
Barricade - 2008 Ford Saleen S281 Extreme
unknown - Audi R8 (rumor)
Constructicon - Earth Mover unknown type (rumor)
Jetfire - SR-71 Blackbird
Soundwave - unknown (alt mode unconfirmed)
The Fallen - unknown (rumor)

 

[Tornado]

To that end, Mike Bay has made a lot of big promises

No thank you. There was a particularly notable chance that it could have all of the truck sized holes in the first movie fixed in the second go round. I doubt habitual point-misser Bay would be able to solve them himself, though; so they will likely remain.

 

[Omnis]

I think someone on another forum I go to leaked the script.

 

[FoolKiller]

Although I doubt I'd have much to hate in this movie, I'm most excited hearing about the new Robots.

Our (Transformers) generation gap is showing. Allow me to elaborate:

Autobots

Optimus Prime - Peterbilt 379EX
Bumblebee - 2009 Chevy Camaro
Ratchet - Ratchet H2
Ironhide - 2007 GMC Topkick C4500

This is all fine and dandy.

Jazz - 2008 Pontiac Solstice (rumor)

Um, but he's dead? And if you expect me to believe that from movie 1 to movie 2 Ratchet can fix him when he went centuries before Bumblebee could talk again (how did that happen again?) then we already have a plot hole.

And speaking of Jazz:

Stinger - Porsche or Acura NXS (alt mode unconfirmed)

Oh, the irony. I guess this means that Bay sold out to misplaced product sponsorship only once.

Arcee - 3 Can-Am Spyders or 2 Trikes (alt mode unconfirmed)

Wait, she's a combiner? Since when?
Cartoon:

Movie Prequel comic (and original movie design, later replaced by Ironhide):

She was supposed to be a motorcycle, which would work well to replace Megan Fox's Vespa

The Twins - Ice Cream Truck unknown type (rumor)
Wheels - Toy Size RC Jeep (alt mode unconfirmed)

Uh, Who?

unknown - 2009 Chevy Beat (rumor)

I take back my product sponsorship comment.

Decepticons

Starscream - F-22 Raptor
Barricade - 2008 Ford Saleen S281 Extreme

These will be fine, although I thought Barricade was dead.

Scorponok - metallic scorpion (return not confirmed)

I hated him in the first one. Beast Wars was a completely separate generation of Cybertronians, descended from the original heroes.

unknown - Audi R8 (rumor)

Audi, Porsche? I smell new product placement.

Constructicon - Earth Mover unknown type (rumor)

Wait, one? If they even try this without bringing Devastator into the mix Trans fans will be severely disappointed, especially if Arcee is a combiner. Of course, we already killed Bonecrusher and Devastator.... (or is it Brawl, I don't know because Bay and Co. never got it straight)

Jetfire - SR-71 Blackbird

They must be going with the comic book version, as the cartoon version's storyline was already stolen to explain Megatron's presence on Earth (in the cartoon Jetfire/Skyfire was discovered frozen in arctic ice where he had crash landed before the Cybertronian War). Either way, if he doesn't turn good in the end I will be ticked.

Soundwave - unknown (alt mode unconfirmed)

Should have been in the first one. And I don't trust Bay and Co. to not get him confused with Shockwave.

The Fallen - unknown (rumor)

This had better be a tie in to Unicron. Otherwise it makes no sense, or is not the actual character. Or if they do it correctly it could explain Skorponok with this generation of Cybertronians. But then we have to get into Primus and Unicron.

I am guessing that this is a rumor based on the sub-title of the film. But I am guessing that Bay and Co. have no clue of this character's actual story and are just going by the only toy released for him last year or not using him at all. If they do I would bet money it is actually Megatron/Galvatron.


That said: NO MEGATRON?

Fail.

But I long gave up on Bay staying remotely true to the story, feel, and point of Transformers. He just made it about giant robots blowing crap up, which was never the point.

 

[YSSMAN]

There is supposed to be a Unicron storyline... That's what the internets have been saying. But what I had read was a bit confusing, so I don't know for sure. To comment on a few of your comments:

- The Jazz deal is unconfirmed completely. I'm personally doubting that he'd come back at all, but I may be completely wrong. Because, thing is, if he is back, Megatron is back, and I have no idea how that'll work out.

- Arcee is for all intensive purposes still a motorcycle, despite the spots of those trike things. There have been spots of a pink motorcycle, I think a Ducati (?) on the sets in Philly... But I've yet to see a photograph.

- "Other" Autobots, I have no idea... Mike Bay has stated before that he'd use misinformation while the movie is being made... Your guess is as good as mine at the moment.

- Barricade wasn't dead, he ran away... Remember? After the highway scene, we saw him go someplace else...

- Scorponhook... Meh... If hes back, hes seeking revenge on the Marines. Otherwise, hes dead to everyone else.

- The Constructicons? Devestator and Bonecrusher are for certain, dead. So, I have no idea who this new guy would be. Bay noted that he wanted to bring them in, and even hinted at the Dinobots at one point... And even that made me cringe.

====

We've got a while until anything "solid" comes out... Sadly, the internets are only so reliable...

 

[McLaren]

That said: NO MEGATRON?

Fail.

But I long gave up on Bay staying remotely true to the story, feel, and point of Transformers. He just made it about giant robots blowing crap up, which was never the point.

Spoiler

Why exactly would Megatron be back when he was killed by the All Spark?

Then again, if they have Jazz as a character, I guess Megatron could be, too.

 

[FoolKiller]

There is supposed to be a Unicron storyline... That's what the internets have been saying. But what I had read was a bit confusing, so I don't know for sure. To comment on a few of your comments:

This should be good. Can Robert Orci write a script regarding Unicron and not screw it up? If he includes Fallen then he has to include Primus or the title revenge subtitle makes no sense. Unless they completely confuse the Galvatron and Fallen storylines, which is likely as Fallen was basically in the role of Galvatron before Galvatron existed.

- The Jazz deal is unconfirmed completely. I'm personally doubting that he'd come back at all, but I may be completely wrong. Because, thing is, if he is back, Megatron is back, and I have no idea how that'll work out.

Jazz was so off the mark character wise for me I'd rather not have him back. He was far from the calm, cool, collected, culturally adaptable character that could take the lead in Prime's absence. Instead I got a hip-hopper robot.

- Arcee is for all intensive purposes still a motorcycle, despite the spots of those trike things. There have been spots of a pink motorcycle, I think a Ducati (?) on the sets in Philly... But I've yet to see a photograph.

They may have changed it from the initial plan. Before she got dropped she was going to be a Buell Firebolt.

My concern with Arcee, aside from being a feminist appeasing character to start with, is that I have no confidence in these script writers to explain a female in a robotic race, which is why she was dropped from the first movie. And knowing Bay he will try to make a love story in there.

- "Other" Autobots, I have no idea... Mike Bay has stated before that he'd use misinformation while the movie is being made... Your guess is as good as mine at the moment.

Well, I'm unhappy with his characters anyway. The only Autobots whose personality they got right was Prime and Bumblebee.

Perhaps the Wheels character is actually Wheeljack, especially as the Dinobots were hinted at and when Ratchet and Wheeljack work together they can repair almost any damage, including fatal, and that could explain Jazz's return as well. Plus, Wheeljack makes some awesome gadgets.

- Barricade wasn't dead, he ran away... Remember? After the highway scene, we saw him go someplace else...

You're right. I confused it with the book, which was written before the final script draft was completed. In the book Optimus crushes him against a highway pillar.

- Scorponhook... Meh... If hes back, hes seeking revenge on the Marines. Otherwise, hes dead to everyone else.

Basically, where Soundwave goes Laserbeak goes and if they do Soundwave right Scorponok could just be misdirection to explain a small animal Decepticon.

- The Constructicons? Devestator and Bonecrusher are for certain, dead. So, I have no idea who this new guy would be. Bay noted that he wanted to bring them in, and even hinted at the Dinobots at one point... And even that made me cringe.

Well, as the only time that Devastator is actually called Devastator is when he responds to Starscream's call and he identifies himself as Devastator. Robert Orci admits that was a mistake and he was supposed to be Brawl, which he is labeled as in all other media (games, comics, etc.). The Devastator name was intended as misdirection. This, to me, is a perfect example of how Michael Bay cannot control his own continuity and plotholes. If it looks cool he doesn't care.

As for Dinobots.....again, I believe our generation gaps are showing. The Dinobots from G1 are awesome. Now if we get later versions, or even the (God forbid) Beast Wars Dinobot, then it could be very bad.

We've got a while until anything "solid" comes out... Sadly, the internets are only so reliable...

And when solid info does leak out and fans complain Michael Bay's response is just, "F the fans."

Why exactly would Megatron be back

If they include Unicron that is easy.

Honestly, they need to figure something out because they took a classic villain character and ruined him. Not enough screen time and no interaction to really meet his character. They took a methodically plotting villain and turned him into a rampaging psychopath.

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first movie and eagerly await the next. I work for a retail company and we receive the toys for Transformers. We have had a few different versions come in. One named "Swinehole" and a few others. Mybe they will be in the next installment

 

[FoolKiller]

I thoroughly enjoyed the first movie and eagerly await the next. I work for a retail company and we receive the toys for Transformers. We have had a few different versions come in. One named "Swinehole" and a few others. Mybe they will be in the next installment

I hope you mean Swindle, as he was in the movie tie-in comics.

Can't find anything on a Swinehole.

What does it look like? Movie style or traditional style bot mode?

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

Must be swindle, but I'm sure the name on the box is swinehole for some strange reason. There is also a F1 car transformer (Autobot) don't know it's name

 

[Tornado]

*Stuff*

You seem to have walked away from the first movie feeling exactly the way I felt. Nice to know I'm not crazy.

 

[FoolKiller]

You seem to have walked away from the first movie feeling exactly the way I felt. Nice to know I'm not crazy.

If I look at it as a Michael Bay movie about alien robots fighting, it was his best film yet. All the problems are typical Bay with his head so far up his butt that he is snacking on his brains and didn't notice the plotholes and continuity issues, but it was fun popcorn action.

But when I try to look at it as a Transformers film I have trouble seeing the characters that these guys are named after.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, lets look at it this way. At the very least Bay followed the basic lines of continuity, of what the franchise is built upon. Go to other things like TMNT (the redone one), Electra, both of the Fantastic Four movies, etc and you'll see that they throw everything away just to make a quick buck.

I think with the way the first film was recieved, Bay knows that he has to cater to the fans a bit to bring them back... But at the same time, I do hope that hes taken notes from Favreu (Iron Man) and the French dude (The Incredible Hulk) for giving nods and winks to the fans, but not going so far over the top that only people "in the know" would understand the movies.

Remember, there are kids out there who never grew up with the Transformers. They constitute a far larger viewing audience than most of us would care to imagine...

 

[FoolKiller]

Well, lets look at it this way. At the very least Bay followed the basic lines of continuity, of what the franchise is built upon.

Yet failed to keep track of its own continuity. It is easy to claim that anything Transformers tracks continuity as there have been over a dozen different animated series and comics that tend to only have a few things in common: Sentient robots from Cybertron, Good vs Evil, human kids help. After that it is basically anything goes, which is why my gripes are more film-making related and less about sticking to the original.

But when it came to the point of Transformers Bay missed the mark. It isn't about robots fighting, it is about freedom, justice, sacrifice, and striving for peace. Autobots never even joke about killing humans or attempt to be threatening, the way Ironhide does in the movie. At first he thrusts his guns in Sam's face to "just show him my guns" and then asks Optimus if he can kill the parents because they are bothersome. He also threatened to kill the dog. He went from a wise tactician and leader to dumb military grunt. Jazz was trying to be "cool" instead of a proper cultural adapter. Again, a proper leader and second in command reduced to a caricature.

Prime was the only one that met his character properly, and I have a feeling that had much more to do with Cullen than Bay. I would say Bumblebee was proper too, but I have no clue what he would have said were he able to talk before mysteriously gaining his voice back at the end (plothole).

Go to other things like TMNT (the redone one), Electra, both of the Fantastic Four movies, etc and you'll see that they throw everything away just to make a quick buck.

As the only continuity Transformers met was what I listed above, none of these miss it by much more. Well, I haven't seen the new animated TMNT, so I can't judge that one.

I think with the way the first film was recieved, Bay knows that he has to cater to the fans a bit to bring them back... But at the same time, I do hope that hes taken notes from Favreu (Iron Man) and the French dude (The Incredible Hulk) for giving nods and winks to the fans, but not going so far over the top that only people "in the know" would understand the movies.

Here is the difference between Bay and every other director of the good superhero movies. He admits to having never known anything about Transformers before Spielberg made him go to the Hasbro Transformers School. Favreu liked Iron Man, Singer liked X-Men/Superman, Raimi liked Spiderman. They knew that there was a point that had to be made as well as make it work for a general audience and they do it. Michael Bay had a Transformers crash course and did not have that lifelong love to give him a goal to meet. No, he admits to almost hanging up on Spielberg because he didn't think he would want to do that "stupid, silly toy movie."

Here is the interview where he talks about not knowing Transformers, initially rejecting Spielberg, and why he ignored fans. Oh, and he tries to claim he is the biggest Transformers fan ever.
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_12289.html

Remember, there are kids out there who never grew up with the Transformers. They constitute a far larger viewing audience than most of us would care to imagine...

And I would hope that even they would ask questions like:

How did Bumblebee suddenly start talking?
They can survive near absolute zero space, but arctic oceans will freeze them?
They can survive re-entry heat but a magnesium flare bullet melts right through them?
They can hack the DOD but not Ebay?
The cube only makes Decepticons?
Why do creatures of the same species look so different just because they disagree politically?
Why do we care about the Australian chick?
Has Michael Bay ever heard of a steady cam?


My only real Transformers fanboy complaint was that the movie missed the point. At the end of X-Men I noticed many things were changed, but I still understood it was about acceptance ad tolerance of those who are different than us. Spiderman had changes, but I understood that it was about responsibility and doing what is right.

At the end of Transformers I thought it was about blowing stuff up. You can make their alt-modes whatever you want and you can give them any kind of custom paint job you think is cool and if the personalities match and the point is there then it will still be Transformers (those two go hand in hand with Transformers, by the way). But if they are not devoted 100% to sacrificing themselves for the protection of those who are defensless in the name of liberty then it is not Transformers.

 

[Joey D]

I'm still yet to see the Transformers movie, but that won't stop me from delivering new from the new one .

Mystery car at the filming?

As previousily reported, Transformers is at The Dairy Fields in Fairmount Park. However, instead of shooting there they are using it as base camp for the University of Pennsylvania shoot.

Braden sent the below pictures after deciding to check things out and discovered that there are actually two bases for the shoot. The actor trailers and camera equipment is located off North 33rd street which is a short walk to the UPENN campus while the vehicles are being stored near Walt Whitman Bridge.

While checking out the area Braden reports he saw a helicopter that looked similar to Chinese helicopter with front mounted camera used at the Bethlehem shoot the previous week. Shia Labeouf was spotted near the trailers but no other cast members.

In addition, he stumbled across Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, Ironhide, a front damaged 2009 Saturn Vue Hybrid and a new gray concept car being loaded for transport to the Walt Whitman site. The Hybrid could be for a particular scene or even a damaged TF but that is just speculation. I believe the concept car is a 2009 Chevy Corvette XR1 that is the alt mode for the Transformer Stinger. I wonder what could be happening that requires so many Transformers to converge on Sam's location?

Update: Reading through the comments it seems the prevailing wisdom is the car either is or isn't a corvette and not the ZR1. I am not sure I agree (obviousily) but I do like the idea of it being a C7. The front end doesn't match the Fireblade at all. Note that Cheverlot is providing most of the cars used in the production again so the odds are high that the car is a Chevy car of some kind and its shape is clearly a sports car. My vote remains with te ZR1.

Here is the full article: http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-concept-car-at-fairmont-park-base.html

 

[niky]

If I look at it as a Michael Bay movie about alien robots fighting, it was his best film yet. All the problems are typical Bay with his head so far up his butt that he is snacking on his brains and didn't notice the plotholes and continuity issues, but it was fun popcorn action.

But when I try to look at it as a Transformers film I have trouble seeing the characters that these guys are named after.

+1. Knowing it was a Bay movie... I threw my brain away when I bought the ticket. It worked. I enjoyed it.

*snip* Go to other things like TMNT (the redone one), *snip* etc and you'll see that they throw everything away just to make a quick buck.

The entire TMNT franchise from the first cartoons and movies to the death of the TMNT thing back in the 90's were a quick buck thing. The cartoons threw absolutely everything from the comic away in a bid to (successfully) capture the merch-buying youngster market. The movies just reinforced it. The newer cartoon hews closer to the original TMNT storyline (without completely matching it... since it'd be impossible to explain all the indie-comic tie-ins within the TMNT comics, anyway). I haven't seen the new CGI movie yet.

Yet failed to keep track of its own continuity. It is easy to claim that anything Transformers tracks continuity as there have been over a dozen different animated series and comics that tend to only have a few things in common: Sentient robots from Cybertron, Good vs Evil, human kids help. After that it is basically anything goes, which is why my gripes are more film-making related and less about sticking to the original.

But when it came to the point of Transformers Bay missed the mark. It isn't about robots fighting, it is about freedom, justice, sacrifice, and striving for peace. Autobots never even joke about killing humans or attempt to be threatening, the way Ironhide does in the movie. At first he thrusts his guns in Sam's face to "just show him my guns" and then asks Optimus if he can kill the parents because they are bothersome. He also threatened to kill the dog. He went from a wise tactician and leader to dumb military grunt. Jazz was trying to be "cool" instead of a proper cultural adapter. Again, a proper leader and second in command reduced to a caricature.

Prime was the only one that met his character properly, and I have a feeling that had much more to do with Cullen than Bay. I would say Bumblebee was proper too, but I have no clue what he would have said were he able to talk before mysteriously gaining his voice back at the end (plothole).


As the only continuity Transformers met was what I listed above, none of these miss it by much more. Well, I haven't seen the new animated TMNT, so I can't judge that one.


Here is the difference between Bay and every other director of the good superhero movies. He admits to having never known anything about Transformers before Spielberg made him go to the Hasbro Transformers School. Favreu liked Iron Man, Singer liked X-Men/Superman, Raimi liked Spiderman. They knew that there was a point that had to be made as well as make it work for a general audience and they do it. Michael Bay had a Transformers crash course and did not have that lifelong love to give him a goal to meet. No, he admits to almost hanging up on Spielberg because he didn't think he would want to do that "stupid, silly toy movie."

Here is the interview where he talks about not knowing Transformers, initially rejecting Spielberg, and why he ignored fans. Oh, and he tries to claim he is the biggest Transformers fan ever.
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_12289.html



And I would hope that even they would ask questions like:

How did Bumblebee suddenly start talking?
They can survive near absolute zero space, but arctic oceans will freeze them?
They can survive re-entry heat but a magnesium flare bullet melts right through them?
They can hack the DOD but not Ebay?
The cube only makes Decepticons?
Why do creatures of the same species look so different just because they disagree politically?
Why do we care about the Australian chick?
Has Michael Bay ever heard of a steady cam?


My only real Transformers fanboy complaint was that the movie missed the point. At the end of X-Men I noticed many things were changed, but I still understood it was about acceptance ad tolerance of those who are different than us. Spiderman had changes, but I understood that it was about responsibility and doing what is right.

At the end of Transformers I thought it was about blowing stuff up. You can make their alt-modes whatever you want and you can give them any kind of custom paint job you think is cool and if the personalities match and the point is there then it will still be Transformers (those two go hand in hand with Transformers, by the way). But if they are not devoted 100% to sacrificing themselves for the protection of those who are defensless in the name of liberty then it is not Transformers.

Good point. While I had my issues with the writing and production values of X-Men III, it was still in keeping with what the X-Men were about. Spiderman is even closer to the Spiderman mythos than the X-Men movies were.

Transformers? Hell, I felt that all of the characters were a bit "off". Jazz was, as you say, a damn caricature. Ironhide didn't even remotely resemble, in behavior, the Ironhide of the cartoons, and even Bumblebee and Prime did uncharacteristic things. Bumblebee didn't bumble, and Prime sometimes did...

Do I expect more from the second movie? ...I'll wait for the reviews. If the story isn't any better, I'll pass. See one CGi transforming robot movie, you've seen them all.

Of course, if they actually do produce the "Robotech" project, that'll be on my "Must watch" list.

 

[V1P3R]

I found the image I saw on another forum. xD

I also saw this... Hey, guys cut it out. LEAVE THEM ALONE, PUT DOWN THE PENCIL AND MOUSE. Jeez...

 

[YSSMAN]

Mystery car at the filming?

Here is the full article: http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2008/06/new-concept-car-at-fairmont-park-base.html

GMI is having a hayday over it. A lot of people are assuming that it is either some kind of Corvette or XLR prototype, or just some new car all together. I really don't know myself. My first thought was "hey, that's a new Callaway product!" but then again, I don't really know. A lot of new GM stuff is showing up in the movie, from the clearly updated Camaro SS (check the Zeta thread) to the Chevy beat shown earlier. Looks like GM is going to "roll out" (haaaaaa) the new stuff with this one...

 

[McLaren]

What the hell? First a new animated Speed Racer, and now this?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I enjoyed the first movie a lot so I will be looking forward to this part 2. The special effects were some of the best I have seen in the first one. 👍

 

[niky]

edited for content

What's sad is that the game was even worse... I'd cry, too...

 

[Tornado]

That's the second time that comic has been posted, and the second time without any language warning/censoring.

 

[YSSMAN]

Lookie!

Hmmm, interesting... All of the new Chevy products must be showing up?

 

[Tornado]

Wow. Those two concepts look even worse in Transformers garb.

 

[YSSMAN]

Like the previous Bumblebee, I keep wondering what the hell those are based on. My guess is that its a body thrown on an Aveo, but I'm likely wrong.

Thought:

Spoiler

I'd bet those are the "twins" post-makeover. You know, like how Bumblebee went from the '77 Camaro to the concept car? Yeah... They go from Ice Cream truck to those... I bet?

 

[FoolKiller]

The red one should be Cliff Jumper. Now that Jazz is gone we need another small and impetuous fighter to jump into battle without thinking first. I can't believe I just described Jazz that way. I feel dirty.


So, is Chevy trying to rip off the Toyota/Scion designs?

And is it just me or does the green one look like it is riced? That is about as bad as flames on Optimus Prime.

"I would listen to fans on the net, I really would. I would kind of hear their comments, but I’m still going to make my movie and I’ll still put flames on Optimus." - Michael Bay

 

[DRIFT4EVA]

The red one is cliff jumper I believe if the toys that have been released mean anything lol BUT It's a Red Camaro concept lol

 

[niky]

That's the second time that comic has been posted, and the second time without any language warning/censoring.

Whoops... didn't really notice it... (guess nobody else did, either...)

 

[YSSMAN]

So they've got more on Bumblebee and that mysterious "Corvette Concept" over here at Jalopnik.

I don't know what to think here...

 

[<_Spike_>]

I know what to think... "Oh pleeeeease be Hot Rod". It could make sense, he was a well loved Transformer and would make a perfect 'replacement' for Jazz (who's rumour is surely going to be scraped)

Anyway, Tidal Wave (Deceptacon aircraft carrier) and the Dinobots have been rumours since shortly after the first one. With the writers having said they had "some really interesting ideas in bringing the Dinobots in". IMDB FAQ if you were wondering where that came from.

As for Arcee...eeeeeh...no thanks, least not as a friggin bike, just looks naff.


Course the other big note is - "Don't believe jack-**** until the movie hits the screens"