ultra realistic Porsche cockpit project. so it begins

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Mayaman have you seen this rig back on page 256 of the T500 thread?

He also enclosed the entire rig in 80/20.
Something similar might be a good way to hang your door panels.
Please excuse if this is "old news" to you.

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Never seen it thanks. I'm currently trying to find the interior dimensions of the GT2 996. I'd need your help on making a base platform. Going to PM you.
 
left888
I have a kick-ass audio system incorporated to my iRacing rig which also utilizes some fine tactile immersion. I find these "offhand" comments about no one in sim racing has a set up yet? rather baffling and quite frankly, immature. One only needs to participate at iRacing to see the level of members who incorporate the very same thing. Of course some members are still not welcomed their.
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Not to flame or discourage you Darren but "your audio system" or many similar AV configurations with a few cheap tactile while more than enjoyable for most comes nowhere close to levels of performance of what I'm talking about and know is possible. We are talking "ultimate rig" type ideas here aren't we? If so then only the best top-end components should be considered.

I refer to the option of Mayaman to do something unique as a specialist design/build/implementation utilising the best tactile units on the market. Have these combined with several good quality sub-woofers and if like my own ideas which already goes beyond 6000 watts of tactile/sub-woofer amplification alone.

Of course within such a build is the ability for it to be fully ready for Simvibe or Audio only tactile and fully adjustable/adaptable via multiple amplifiers and equalisers to the users preference.

If their is something like that on i-racing forums you are welcome to show it.

Mayaman may be happy enough with his d-box tactile and as I stated many great rigs do not go anywhere near such extremes in audio/tactile as few people have really experimented with it to such a degree and also likely due to the high costs involved in doing so.

I would love to see Mayaman get the "Tactile Bug" one day and maybe he will eventually.
 
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Lets stay on topic gentlemen. Just FYI though the Dbox tactile is both subtle and thunderous. Its amazing actually. It will be coupled with a couple strategically placed transducer units and the speakers in the dash and door panels will actually work.

Arguing please :)
 
JogoAsobi
Mayaman have you seen this rig back on page 256 of the T500 thread?

He also enclosed the entire rig in 80/20.
Something similar might be a good way to hang your door panels.
Please excuse if this is "old news" to you.

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Need help with my 8020 base. Can you PM me?

Thanks
 
Mayaman
Lets stay on topic gentlemen. Just FYI though the Dbox tactile is both subtle and thunderous. Its amazing actually. It will be coupled with a couple strategically placed transducer units and the speakers in the dash and door panels will actually work.

Arguing please :)
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Hey, no arguing or smarky comments in my responses at least, just trying to be informative.

I take it Mayaman then you are not interested in going with Simvibe if relying on the D-Box tactile but adding some audio based tactile for additional LFE effects? Vesaro do that with their D-Box adding a BK Advance under the seat.

I understand D-box/Simvibe both work in the same principle but has a comparison ever been seen/done anywhere with both? Just that it certainly seems Simvbe has widened the goalposts as to what can be achieved with its extra channels possible and many software features?

Both might not work together any-ways if say using D-Box only for motion and say Simvibe for tactile as their could be timing differences that they wouldn't sync together or other driver/software conflicts, who knows?

Curious and if you get a chance sometime to show pics and give details in what can be done with d-box software regards the tactile mate. I find it as others may do interesting from a technology perspective and can't say I ever seen much detail about it before.

At some point be good to learn more if you can cover it in the future perhaps.
Again all the best with the build...
 
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Mr Latte
Not to flame or discourage you Darren but "your audio system" or many similar AV configurations with a few cheap tactile while more than enjoyable for most comes nowhere close to levels of performance of what I'm talking about and know is possible. We are talking "ultimate rig" type ideas here aren't we? If so then only the best top-end components should be considered.

I refer to the option of Mayaman to do something unique as a specialist design/build/implementation utilising the best tactile units on the market. Have these combined with several good quality sub-woofers and if like my own ideas which already goes beyond 6000 watts of tactile/sub-woofer amplification alone.

Of course within such a build is the ability for it to be fully ready for Simvibe or Audio only tactile and fully adjustable/adaptable via multiple amplifiers and equalisers to the users preference.

If their is something like that on i-racing forums you are welcome to show it.

Mayaman may be happy enough with his d-box tactile and as I stated many great rigs do not go anywhere near such extremes in audio/tactile as few people have really experimented with it to such a degree and also likely due to the high costs involved in doing so.

I would love to see Mayaman get the "Tactile Bug" one day and maybe he will eventually.
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Always the dreamer hey Latte (Late) perhaps one day your dream will come true, perhaps one day.
 
Since I already have the dbox and know what it can do I'm just looking to fill in a little. Trying not to have to complicated a setup.
 
For 911 GT2 dimensions I would reccommend finding an issue of Road and Track with the 911 GT2 in it.

Example:
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*Please note this is a REALLY old example.
 
I don't understand? The panels themselves are the truest dimensions... can't change that... so basically the only question is what is the exact height/angle at which the seats need to mounted to be in their "authentic" position... and perhaps the pedal-set.

I'd be more worried about how the steering wheel of choice will be mounted to clear the dashboard without having to modify the precious Porsche Tach Area AND being in authentic position...

I've been pondering a similar build with a nice (undecided) luxury sports car interior panels (non-motion, but very focused on audio/tactile)... and I've realized the large body of the T500RS would lead to a slightly lower position than the lowest adjustment you could make in "real life"... but it's only by a few cm....

Anyway... I say get ALL the parts together and do a tremendous amount of measuring before you start with your frame, you don't what to be changing things around with that 8020 stuff, you gotta know exactly how everything will attach and you're going to have to come up with with the most lightweight design because I do believe weight will affect the performance of the rather meager d-box actuators (although I'm not an expert with them, I think it's simple laws of physics)

I wish you all the best with this unique build and keep us posted with your steps of progress!
 
occasionalracer
I'd be more worried about how the steering wheel of choice will be mounted to clear the dashboard without having to modify the precious Porsche Tach Area AND being in authentic position...
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There is a member at iRacing who implemented a "Woodward steering column" his wheel base was mounted down around the pedals. The Woodward steering column is approximately 22" long, so you can position it exactly where it needs to be. He say's it doesn't effect his FFB either,


Mr Latte
If their is something like that on i-racing forums you are welcome to show it.
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I really don't want to start a pissing contest with you Mr Late but that statement really shows your ignorance. It's statements like that which has always landed you in trouble. Your rig is the best, no one has a rig like Rodney's, it's the biggest, it's the fastest, it's higher end and on and on.

Rodney, there are rigs with all the fixings at iRacing that will put my rig to shame, both in aesthetics and in hardware. You can throw in A/V systems worth thousands and high end tactile. There are rigs that will put your rig to shame, or do you even have a rig? You know what, I don't care. Why is it so important that you have a constant need to derail threads with your rig?

I'm sure you have spent a small fortune on your rig? Why don't you start a new thread all about it. This thread is Mayamans thread, why don't we just leave it at that.
 
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Mayaman
Since I already have the dbox and know what it can do I'm just looking to fill in a little. Trying not to have to complicated a setup.
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So by the sounds of it you want a dash for sure? Is that your number one priority? There are some very cool threads at iRacing going on in preparations for the new rev burner. So that is 8 gauges you can add. Does it have to be Porsche? Why not just race car like?
 
Actually Darren I am interested to see what Mayaman wanted to do for this build regards the audio and tactile. He has the money and passion it seems to develop a setup quite unlike many other people could ever have. I was curious if Mayaman wanted to go beyond the norm particularly as just about every area of the rig is going to be specialised or high end.

Not arguing here and having been asked by Mayaman to avoid such. Yet I ask you to read through this thread. Your the one and the "Only One" that started to go on about my points mentioned. Once again you get snarky to begin with and then mentioning "I-racing forums" when I never even brought up "your rig" or "i-racing" yep you did and it seems just about every 3 posts you have to go on and on about "i-racing" in one form or another.

Yes my own passion and interest clearly is in the audio/tactile end of things and Mayaman has expressed his opinion on what he prefers to do or at this stage is considering.

He even mentions running dual D-Box so obviously it seems he prefers that than say a Sim Xperience motion with full Simvbe for the secondary rig as well. I can respect his choices and decision but you need to stop targeting people and as for my build yeah its a joke how long it has been going but who else on these forums makes such personal jibes about it than you which well you always done anyways. People can judge my own efforts and applaud or criticise it all they want come the time.

Lets concentrate on Mayaman and just avoid my posts if they irritate you so much in future, simple really.
 
Mayaman
Haven't ruled out Simxperience completely. Still working things out.
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Maybe do some research or ask others too.
Alan from VVV has probably had good experience in various motion rigs. He could give an unbiased opinion perhaps.

Personally if it was me I think it would be nice to able to experience both types of rig as each has their own strengths/weakness. The rear traction loss is interesting and Sim Commander software seems superb.
 
Mr Latte
It is a joke quite frankly that some professional cockpits costing many tens of thousands on motion or indeed screens who all proclaim ultra realisim/simulation rely on a Logitech speaker package or similar. Many forums too show hardened sim racers with rigs consisting of $2000 wheels $1000 pedals etc and what to they do on the audio performance side? I would suggest it is an area you should not overlook although I have probably reached a silly amount of money personally invested in audio/tactile with already 6k+ for my own ideas/build. You should seriously consider proper AV speakers and audio equipment and get the higher end tactile products for increased performance.
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OK Mr late, show us a rig that cost "many tens of thousands" and "Many forums too show hardened sim racers with rigs consisting of $2000 wheels $1000 pedals etc and what to they do on the audio performance side"

I see someone that is lost in his own delusions of grandeur. If this keeps up Mayaman will have a rig just like you, thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of equipment sitting in the corner in boxes.


Mr Latte
Although it has been my own direction of interest (one I am still slowly pursuing) I still have yet to see a cockpit be it self build or commercial that really looks to utilise audio with tactile to a high end for increased immersion.
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For you to make the above statement only shows your ignorance, This is why I bring up sites like iRacing Mr Late, this is where there are kick ass rigs with kick ass audio and kickass tactile. There are some here but mainly people on this site are just starting out at sim racing and sim building.

Mr Latte
As for real gauges, yes be great but again a high end build like yours should and will I reckon end up incorporating both real analogue and digital/virtual displays too.
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Mr Late you are a constant form of amazement. You first insult everyone with rigs that don't meet your "high end" criteria, then you have the gull to say you never brought up my rig. Perhaps it is you that needs to go back and re read this thread.

It is you that failed at iRacing and you harbor such jealousy that you are completely blinded.

Now Mr Late, you can drop this subject and we can get on helping Mayaman, although I really doubt you can keep your mouth idle.
 
The Dbox would definitely be easier to implement, since I only have to place one actuator in each corner and be done with it. The SimXperience would be trickier as I'd have to keep the seat independant from the rest of the rig. Still trying to figure that one out.

Have also looked at a GS4 seat, but would be a shame not to use the GT2/3 seats.

Lastly I've considered the Gecko GS seat, which is a self contained unit, but its so damn wide it won't fit in the cockpit.

Right now I've got a smattering of parts, waiting for the dashboard to come in. Still have to decide on how to best put motion in this rig.

The visual aspect of the rig, thats the easy part.

Left please elaborate on the steering column by woodward. This is something I'd like to explore as the base of the wheel won't be on the dash, but in it.
 
I thought your rig was already set up with a Dbox? am I missing something?

The Woodward is an extension of 22" from the base to the wheel, now imagine just needing a 2" hole through your dash rather then trying to make a dash fit around your base as it is now. In other words it extends your wheel 22" from the base.
 
Right now I have a collection of interior bits, nothing is built yet. I just started the thread a couple days ago. I'm in the process of moving so haven't even setup the new simroom yet. I'm collecting parts for this build. My other rig is complete with Dbox but its packed away. This is the part collection/research stage. Hence the questions.

So anyone want to elaborate on the woodward steering column setup at iracing? I'm not a member therer.

thanks
 
If you want to have a collumn extension (good choice) you won't get away without welding and machining. Buying a racing collumn would be just a waste of money. You could use a steering collumn from a junkyard car but I reckon the shaft would be unneccesserily heavy so my thoughts are that you'd need a machined adapter on the wheel base > universal joint(important) > shallow steel tube(the shaft) > welded on splined end (either a retail one or cut off off an old car) > matching boss kit > your wheel.

There's a very good example Fallguy made:

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Yeah I've sent him a message on that board, hopefully he responds. Whats weird is so many guys will keep stuff like this to themselves and won't help the community. Hopefully he'll point me in the right direction.
 
Left888, just give it a rest, please.

I guess we both have different views on what "high-end" is or you don't seem to understand that my opinion varies to yours. I have not said that other peoples setups are rubbish or anything like that to offend anyone.

I hope I am allowed to have an opinion if that's alright by you but in my opinion I have yet to see a set-up with an audio/tactile configuration that blows me away. Several community rigs do in many other ways but not with the audio or tactile side of things. Of course I will be harder to please in this area, what you expect?

As for expensive rigs with well below par audio, sure their are many..

CXC Simulations start at $45,000 and you get a nice Logitech speaker set-up with them. Having what they refer to as a "mammoth subwoofer". By all means price the top of the range VRX imotion Z55. Guess what quality and brand of speaker package it uses?


Last I will comment on your continued off topic conversations.
How many times do you have to be asked to just ignore my posts.


More Importantly?
Mayaman can you give more detail in the build, when you say dash, door panels, are you having a modified dash with central seat and offset (passenger side of the dash). What do you do with the area for the passenger seat?
 
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All parts are direct factory parts from a real GT2. The dimensions will be identical. I'm just figuring out what kind of platform since a Dbox platform will be different than a SimXperience platform.
 
Mayaman
All parts are direct factory parts from a real GT2. The dimensions will be identical. I'm just figuring out what kind of platform since a Dbox platform will be different than a SimXperience platform.
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You would need to check with Mr Villers as I think from memory the more expensive SCN6? actuators can support a heavier load. D-box to my knowledge can support heavier weights.

It is fascinating how you approach this and building the subframe just to support the car dash is by no means a simple task. Whats worse is I know your level of build/finish has to be to a high standard.

Maybe a local metal fabricator is the answer?
 

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