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Clarkson just posted this on Instagram.



and now, this has happened

I wonder what he has been doing now that the BBC has suspended him.
 
Here in the UK, punching someone is an offence (which offence exactly depends on the circumstances) but cannot be held to be a criminal act unless a criminal conviction occurs.

Indeed if you were to refer to someone who had punched someone else but not been convicted of it as 'a criminal' - even if they received a police caution for it - you may find yourself on the wrong side of the law, for defamation.
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One may commit a criminal act and not be convicted, hence not a "criminal." Hairs are being split here: I am not saying Clarkson is a criminal. For example, one may commit a criminal act against another person, and if that person is intimidated into not pressing charges, it would be defamation to call the actor a "criminal," but not at all defamatory to observe that the actor committed a "criminal act," by which I mean an act punishable under the law. Truth is a defense to defamation in the U.S. and the U.K. Look it up if you like.

There are defenses available to a defendant who "punches" (your word) another. Self-defense for example. No such defenses seem applicable in this instance. What appears to be the case here, from what I have read, is that a drunk presenter who stayed out drinking too long punched a smaller person in a subservient employment position out of anger fueled by inebriation. Not a case I would like to defend, money aside.

I enjoyed Clarkson and the TG crew for many years. I have now had enough of Clarkson and his way of interacting with others. Opinions may vary, and all may still abide. Cheers.
 
One may commit a criminal act and not be convicted, hence not a "criminal."
In the US maybe. In the UK - where the actual 'fracas' occurred - they're called "offences". It's a specific term in English Law.
Hairs are being split here:
That's law for you.
For example, one may commit a criminal act against another person, and if that person is intimidated into not pressing charges, it would be defamation to call the actor a "criminal," but not at all defamatory to observe that the actor committed a "criminal act," by which I mean an act punishable under the law.
And the term for that in the UK would be "an offence".
Truth is a defense to defamation in the U.S. and the U.K. Look it up if you like.
I have no need to - we have very many excellent and famous examples of veracity being used as a defence to libel. Rupert Allason is one of my favourites.
There are defenses available to a defendant who "punches" (your word) another. Self-defense for example. No such defenses seem applicable in this instance.
That's one for the courts. I'm unfamiliar with the US system, but in the UK offences are absolute - if you have punched someone, you have committed an offence (depending on severity and intent, it could be anything from battery up to murder) and, should it go to court, you can argue a justification for why you committed that offence - your defence - in order to avoid a conviction for the offence.

For it to be termed "a criminal act" the offence has to be committed, reported, prosecuted and a conviction secured. If one of those things fails to occur, it is not a criminal act - you can, for instance, kill someone else, which would be an absolute offence falling under the homicide umbrella (depending on severity and intent again) but if the killing was found to be lawful and justifiable - even in court - it would not be a criminal act.
What appears to be the case here, from what I have read, is that a drunk presenter who stayed out drinking too long punched a smaller person in a subservient employment position out of anger fueled by inebriation.
Nothing I've read indicates inebriation - rather the alleged to-do occurred after a long day of filming - nor Mr Tymon's physical stature. I've also read that Clarkson denies punching anyone and no eyewitnesses corroborate the punch story - though a handful do say that Clarkson was being incredibly verbally abusive to an unidentified third part.

As things stand, the only truth that we know is that Jeremy Clarkson had an altercation with someone alleged to be part of the BBC Top Gear production team. The nature or severity of the incident aren't known and the identity of that person isn't known - well before we get to any kind of defence.

I'm sure the BBC's report will reveal some of the story on its publication next week.
 
Again, split hairs. The act and the offense are not the same thing, although the the act may give rise to the charging and proving of the offense. I'm done now.
 
Top Gear Magazine came in the post today. Clarkson is in there, and it seems to be business as usual in general.

I'm going to go ahead and guess this was all written before the 'fracas'...
 
Again, split hairs. The act and the offense are not the same thing, although the the act may give rise to the charging and proving of the offense. I'm done now.

You are literally not understanding that while that might be true in your state in the US, in other countries it is different. The laws are different. Legal interpretation is different. From what Famine has easily demonstrated, how are you not getting this?

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And Famine is also right when he says we'll find out what happens once the Beeb report is done. Until then we really don't need every single damn unconfirmed rumour, wishlist and clickbait. Christ.
 
You are literally not understanding that while that might be true in your state in the US, in other countries it is different. The laws are different. Legal interpretation is different. From what Famine has easily demonstrated, how are you not getting this?

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And Famine is also right when he says we'll find out what happens once the Beeb report is done. Until then we really don't need every single damn unconfirmed rumour, wishlist and clickbait. Christ.
cough US Stereotypes about their thinking that US is their entire world cough.
 
Piers Morgan has had his say on Clarkson and it might surprise you what he had to say!

Also Chris Evans has said in his motoring column in the MoS taht he would turn it down if he was offered the presenting job at TG..
 
Piers Morgan has had his say on Clarkson and it might surprise you what he had to say!

Also Chris Evans has said in his motoring column in the MoS taht he would turn it down if he was offered the presenting job at TG..

I saw that article, it kinda gives you an idea of how pear shaped Clarksons personal life has been in the last few years.

At war with your bosses, getting divorced, losing your mother, your first ex wife giving you hell, drinking, smoking, getting smeared by the papers and in constant back pain.

I'm surprised he didn't snap earlier, we as humans aren't naturally built to take that level of pressure.

Piers Morgan may not be a likeable person, but considering the bad blood between them ( literally in one instance), it's quite something to bury the hatchet with your long time rival and actually enjoy themselves.
 
I'm not too bothered about Top Gear being on tonight as the El Clasico football is on..

We will find out what will happen to Clarkson this week when the verdict is announced..
 
Last night TopGear had a re-showing of last years perfect road trip, and part two of last weeks perfect road trip....


Mondays are gonna suck now..
 
Last night TopGear had a re-showing of last years perfect road trip, and part two of last weeks perfect road trip....


Mondays are gonna suck now..
Where do you live? Because it also did that on my place.

I think its for everyone in the world.

EDIT: WTH did i just said.
 
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Where do you live? Because it also did that.

I think its for everyone in the world.
Georgia (USA)... Yeah, this is the first year of simulcast for them (which means we're not a week behind anymore).
 
No news on Clarkson today??
 
Not yet... I'd wait probably for the next five hours if the site linked above was correct at all...
 
It's all over the net that he's been let go.
 
It's all over the net that he's been let go.

Was to be expected. You can't hit your colleagues in the face so they have to act upon it.
Looking forward to the Top Gear trio switching channels and starting over with a new name 👍
 
.....well that sucks.

If it's true, then it's a sad bombshell to end the show as we know it on.
 
Yeah, a few British Newspapers over the past hour are saying he is going to be sacked tomorrow :(

Not going to defend what he did, but I was hoping they could have sorted something out. I'm going to miss the show, won't be the same without the current crew, they're going to have to get some damn great presenters to even come close.

No doubt they'll be a Top Gear copy/paste appearing with these guys somewhere in the near future.
 
Well if they decide to bring someone else in, that person better be on his/her A game or otherwise the fans of the show are going to bulldoze right over them.

As much as we all dream of having their jobs, you would quite literally have the whole world watching you and that is an insane amount of pressure for anyone to take.
 
It's a sad day in the motoring world...RIP Top Gear... :(
 
It has been a long ride. Top Gear didn't deserve to die like this.
 
I really hope they don't put Evans in, even though he has already kind of ruled it out.

Boris Johnson has asked to be considered as a replacement, yes please! :lol:
 
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