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Speaking of sleep, what's the theory behind "sleep paralysis"? And why is it 9 times out of 10 after a nightmare and the feeling of a presence in the room (at least for me) 
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Dotini
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Speaking of sleep, what's the theory behind "sleep paralysis"? And why is it 9 times out of 10 after a nightmare and the feeling of a presence in the room (at least for me)
If you wake but your natural sleep paralysis (video below) doesn't fade quickly enough then you're aware of it and it's a very unpleasant sensation. In some cases your sudden awakening is caused by a bad dream and in others your dream is affected by your partly-awake feelings. I remember a documentary on the Beeb (can't find anything similar on YobTub right now) in which a test subject (Bill Oddie?) slept in a university sleep lab. When he reached REM sleep water was gently sprayed onto his bearded fizzog and he was then awoken to ask what he'd been dreaming about. Waterskiing, he told us. What we know with or without Bill Oddie's help (as we've all experienced it) is that things happening in the real world outside our sleep sometimes fall into our dreams.
Presence in the room? I'd say that's the flight mechanism kicking in... something bad is happening, don't know what, must escape.
Crappy production values warning:
Well I said aliens. UFOs are postulated to be alien visitations but (as you know from your own postings) are sometimes accepted as atmospheric or astronomic events. And they belong in another thread... my fault for bringing it up here
Dotini
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Some postulate UFOs as alien visitations. Others postulate them as angelic or demonic. A very significant number of UFO reports have a psychic connection or dimension, sometimes referred to as "high strangeness", or absurdity.Well I said aliens. UFOs are postulated to be alien visitations but (as you know from your own postings) are sometimes accepted as atmospheric or astronomic events. And they belong in another thread... my fault for bringing it up here
My contention is that UFO phenomena are integral to the understanding of not only aliens, but also human consciousness, God, religion and even aspects of human history itself. The relevance of UFOs to the human experience may be very broad if not universal.
This thread (Unexplained Experiences) is an excellent thread in which to discuss UFO phenomena. It is one and the same thing as an unexplained experience!!
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BobK
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No, we were talking about aliens until you brought up UFOs, and it was done in such a way as to make one suspect you believe the terms "alien" and "UFO" are near-synonymous.
A UFO is an Unidentified Flying Object. Nothing more, nothing less. If you see something flying and you don't know what it is, it's a UFO. Should you figure out what it is, it's no longer a UFO. Nothing magical, mystical, religious, whatever involved.
Incidentally your documentation of "widespread belief" cites Yellow Submarine and several science fiction items. Are you really suggesting that people commonly believe the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701 et seq) is real?
Dotini
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Dos you deny UFOs are an appropriate subject in a thread devoted to unexplained experiences??
FYI, I do not believe the terms alien and UFO should be synonymous. Not at all.
An alien is commonly thought of as an unknown being, likely extraterrestrial.
A UFO, while popularly thought to be extraterrestrial, is an unidentified aerial phenomenon. After prosaic explanations are eliminated, ~90 percent, the remainder is unidentified. My explanation for them is along the lines of poorly understood electrical/electromagnetic phenomena.
My contention is that UFO events become part of our mythology, religion and history, thus influencing culture over the long term.
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I can remember back in 2010, I was using a netbook we used to have, I pulled up Windows Media Player one morning and I saw an unusual video with a strange name I didn't recognize. So I clicked it and quickly learned it was a porn video, so I obviously clicked off of it. 
I was going to delete it, but once I went back to my library, it was gone! It disappeared before I could even delete it. This happened not once, but twice!
Okay, I can somewhat imagine how it got there and I don't think anyone in my family put it there, my belief is that it was viruses or malware. The part about it disappearing, it's still a mystery to me. I imagine their is a logical explanation for this, but I still have yet to figure out what it is.
I was going to delete it, but once I went back to my library, it was gone! It disappeared before I could even delete it. This happened not once, but twice!Okay, I can somewhat imagine how it got there and I don't think anyone in my family put it there, my belief is that it was viruses or malware. The part about it disappearing, it's still a mystery to me. I imagine their is a logical explanation for this, but I still have yet to figure out what it is.
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I'm almost too afraid to talk about mine. Sleepwalking, Oiuja board,... I freaked out my family more than once.
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No he doesn't for a guy that believes inane bs, he doesn't believe in aliens, which is ironic considering any time I argue with him in the alien thread or discuss, I'm the believer he isn't.
Also @Dotini, is making them synonymous or nigh, because popular culture, and public perception, not his own. He's stressed that quite a bit in the Alien thread. Take a peak for yourself. I don't defend people (especially those I tend to respectfully disagree with) unless they've actually said what they're claiming to say or believe.
Now his explanation of UFOs stems into a few things and some of those things are ways the U.S. gov't has explained away certain cases. Other times it is even crazier than simply believing beings from another planet are able to travel time and space with ease. Such as beings from another dimension.
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Yesterday the US government officially acknowledged the existence of a black budget program to investigate UAP phenomena.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
What is source of the phenomena? (Indeed, what is the extent of the phenomena?)
Mr. Elizondo said he and his government colleagues had determined that the phenomena they had studied did not seem to originate from any country. “That fact is not something any government or institution should classify in order to keep secret from the people,” he said.
The NY Times quotes an M.I.T. astrophysicist:
Sara Seager, an astrophysicist at M.I.T., cautioned that not knowing the origin of an object does not mean that it is from another planet or galaxy. “When people claim to observe truly unusual phenomena, sometimes it’s worth investigating seriously,” she said. But, she added, “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”
And I agree it's not extraterrestrial aliens behind the phenomena. Or any country on Earth.
The NY Times mentions DIA requesting access to Skinwalker Ranch. (DIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency)
In 2007, Mr. Reid said in the interview, Mr. Bigelow told him that an official with the Defense Intelligence Agency had approached him wanting to visit Mr. Bigelow’s ranch in Utah, where he conducted research.
George Knapp ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(journalist)) gives a talk about the Skinwalker Ranch.
Caution/Warning: This video is 52 minutes. It may very well not be a good way to spend your time. Unless you really, really want to learn more about potentially disturbing material, you want to avoid it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
What is source of the phenomena? (Indeed, what is the extent of the phenomena?)
Mr. Elizondo said he and his government colleagues had determined that the phenomena they had studied did not seem to originate from any country. “That fact is not something any government or institution should classify in order to keep secret from the people,” he said.
The NY Times quotes an M.I.T. astrophysicist:
Sara Seager, an astrophysicist at M.I.T., cautioned that not knowing the origin of an object does not mean that it is from another planet or galaxy. “When people claim to observe truly unusual phenomena, sometimes it’s worth investigating seriously,” she said. But, she added, “what people sometimes don’t get about science is that we often have phenomena that remain unexplained.”
And I agree it's not extraterrestrial aliens behind the phenomena. Or any country on Earth.
The NY Times mentions DIA requesting access to Skinwalker Ranch. (DIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency)
In 2007, Mr. Reid said in the interview, Mr. Bigelow told him that an official with the Defense Intelligence Agency had approached him wanting to visit Mr. Bigelow’s ranch in Utah, where he conducted research.
George Knapp ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Knapp_(journalist)) gives a talk about the Skinwalker Ranch.
Caution/Warning: This video is 52 minutes. It may very well not be a good way to spend your time. Unless you really, really want to learn more about potentially disturbing material, you want to avoid it.
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I've heard the Skinwalker Ranch story before, but even the founder of the department that took control of it said he found it to be useless exercise and didn't hold up to the stories he was told from the former owner's family.
As for the black project study being confirmed, I'm just glad it's been said, because I've said for years that the Gov't is still having studies done, long after the death of project blue book
Dotini
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Thanks for your post. I'm not clear on who the current owners are. I've been assuming it still belongs to Mr Bigelow.
FYI, this is the current Wikipedia entry on Skinwalker Ranch:
Skinwalker Ranch, also known as Sherman Ranch, is a property located on approximately 480 acres (1.9 km2) southeast of Ballard, Utah that is allegedly the site of paranormal and UFO-related activities. Its name is taken from the skin-walker of Navajo legend.
Claims about the ranch first appeared in the Salt Lake City, Utah Deseret News,[1] and later in the alternative weekly Las Vegas Mercury as a series of articles by journalist George Knapp. These early stories detailed the claims that a family that had recently purchased and occupied the property only to experience an array of inexplicable and frightening events.
Colm Kelleher and co-author George Knapp subsequently authored a book[2] in which they describe the ranch being acquired by the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDSci) to study anecdotal sightings of UFOs, bigfoot-like creatures, crop circles, glowing orbs and poltergeist activity reported by its former owners.[3]
The ranch, located in west Uintah County bordering the Ute Indian Reservation, was popularly dubbed the "UFO ranch" due to its ostensible 50-year history of odd events said to have taken place there. Knapp and Kelleher cite the 1974 book The Utah UFO Display: A Scientist's Report by Frank Salisbury and Joseph "Junior" Hicks, which details an earlier investigation into alleged UFO sightings in the Uintah County region, as partial confirmation of their account. According to Kelleher and Knapp, they saw or investigated evidence of close to 100 incidents that include vanishing and mutilated cattle, sightings of unidentified flying objects or orbs, large animals with piercing red eyes that they say were not injured when struck by bullets, and invisible objects emitting destructive magnetic fields. Among those involved were retired Army Colonel John B. Alexander who characterized the NIDSci effort as an attempt to get hard data using a "standard scientific approach".[4] However, the investigators admitted to "difficulty obtaining evidence consistent with scientific publication." Cattle mutilations have been part of the folklore of the surrounding area for decades, but NIDSci founder Robert Bigelow's purchase of the ranch and investigation funding was reportedly the result of his being convinced by stories of mutilations that included tales of strange lights and unusual impressions made in grass and soil told by the family of former ranch owner Terry Sherman.[5]
In 1996, skeptic James Randi awarded Bigelow a Pigasus Award for funding purchase of the property for what he termed a "useless study" of "a 'haunted ranch' in Utah".[6]
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Do not think so since he disbanded his group back in 2004, I'd imagine he'd have no reason to hold on to said property. Especially after I said he claimed that it never stood up to the hype that was told. Only thing I've read that seems plausible is the giant wolf that supposedly stalks the grounds, there have been photos of a large wolf, but I doubt it's a dire wolf like some claim...and obviously doubt it's "dog people" (dog like humanoids).
Dotini
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The websites and forum pertaining the Bigelow Ranch appear to show he is still the owner. It is guarded, and apparently some activity/research is still taking place there. Bigelow is a billionaire, and likely doesn't need the piddling 200k he is said to have paid for it. According to the forum, Jim Morse is speculated to be the new manager and co-owner.
Bigelow Ranch
Bigelow Ranch
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Date: Ongoing
Location: Southeast of Ballard, UT
To avoid any confusion, this ranch was originally owned by the Meyers family, until the mid to late 1930's. The best I can find out was the property was vacant until 1994 When Terry & Gwen Sherman bought the ranch on lt to sell it to Robert Bigelow, Who aquired the property in 1996 and currently owns it. Stories of the Skinwalker Ranch mention both Sherman and Gorman. Gorman appears to be a pseudonym.
Now known as Bigelow Ranch, 1996 to Present, previously known as Skinwalker Ranch, Sherman Ranch, 1994-1996, is a property divided into three sections, each section being a former homestead and located on approximately 480 acres, south of Fort Duchesne, UT and southeast of Ballard, UT that is allegedly the site of paranormal and UFO related activities. Its name is taken from the Skinwalker of Native American legend. It was so plagued by UFOs and other strange phenomena that its one time owners, Terry & Gwen Sherman, were wanting to get rid of it, and did... to Robert T. Bigelow. Who was intrigued by the mysterious activities.
Bigelow is a hotel and aerospace entrepreneur. He owns the hotel chain Budget Suites of America and is the founder of Bigelow Aerospace. He bought 51% of MUFON to enable him access to all new and archived data and sole owner of NFIDS to which the FAA routes ALL UFO reports. Finally, he built and owns his own private space station, to and from he travels by X-plane.
The unusual events include:
Cattle mutilations & disappearances & other animal events, UFOs & their occupants, Inter-dimensional portals or vortecies & Floating balls of light.
http://thenightsky.org/bigelow.html
http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/forum/
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Dotini
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I've now found good evidence that Bigelow sold the ranch last year.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/i-team-pentagon-ufo-study-catches-attention-of-congress/885843051
This article (and video) contains many gems of information worthy of consideration. My key takeaway term : "performances of anomalies". As if the phenomena were staged, i.e., as theater involving both actor and audience. I take this to imply that human consciousness, the recipient of the performance, is an integral part of the 800 pound gorilla, the source of the phenomena. If we continue to dig into this, and into the manifold activities of Mr Bigelow, we are increasingly going into the realm of investigating human consciousness. This is a big problem for our current science. The relationship between matter and energy, material and consciousness, as well as the nature of ultimate reality, the meaning of life and humanity's place in the universe will come into the question.
@TheCracker Your question in re material ejected from UAP is relevant here.
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Dotini
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Yes, quantum consciousness has been theorized by scientists such as Penrose and Hameroff. There are competing theories. Some of these may play a role in explaining the source of the UAP phenomena. The possibility is raised of the consciousness being uploaded like a file to the cloud, and downloaded again into another vessel. Discarnate from the body, pure energy, becoming matter again.
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Dotini
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It does!!
But consciousness currently lacks a convincing explanation, and so do UAP. Perhaps the answer to both is along the same lines? A case can be made that both questions could and should be eventually solved. Yesterday's science fiction became today's science.
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It does!!
But consciousness currently lacks a convincing explanation, and so do UAP. Perhaps the answer to both is along the same lines? A case can be made that both questions could and should be eventually solved. Yesterday's science fiction became today's science.
That's the fun of it all.
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The websites and forum pertaining the Bigelow Ranch appear to show he is still the owner. It is guarded, and apparently some activity/research is still taking place there. Bigelow is a billionaire, and likely doesn't need the piddling 200k he is said to have paid for it. According to the forum, Jim Morse is speculated to be the new manager and co-owner.
Bigelow Ranch
Bigelow Ranch
Click For More Pictures
Date: Ongoing
Location: Southeast of Ballard, UT
To avoid any confusion, this ranch was originally owned by the Meyers family, until the mid to late 1930's. The best I can find out was the property was vacant until 1994 When Terry & Gwen Sherman bought the ranch on lt to sell it to Robert Bigelow, Who aquired the property in 1996 and currently owns it. Stories of the Skinwalker Ranch mention both Sherman and Gorman. Gorman appears to be a pseudonym.
Now known as Bigelow Ranch, 1996 to Present, previously known as Skinwalker Ranch, Sherman Ranch, 1994-1996, is a property divided into three sections, each section being a former homestead and located on approximately 480 acres, south of Fort Duchesne, UT and southeast of Ballard, UT that is allegedly the site of paranormal and UFO related activities. Its name is taken from the Skinwalker of Native American legend. It was so plagued by UFOs and other strange phenomena that its one time owners, Terry & Gwen Sherman, were wanting to get rid of it, and did... to Robert T. Bigelow. Who was intrigued by the mysterious activities.
Bigelow is a hotel and aerospace entrepreneur. He owns the hotel chain Budget Suites of America and is the founder of Bigelow Aerospace. He bought 51% of MUFON to enable him access to all new and archived data and sole owner of NFIDS to which the FAA routes ALL UFO reports. Finally, he built and owns his own private space station, to and from he travels by X-plane.
The unusual events include:
Cattle mutilations & disappearances & other animal events, UFOs & their occupants, Inter-dimensional portals or vortecies & Floating balls of light.
http://thenightsky.org/bigelow.html
http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/forum/
Some people claim the Skinwalker Ranch is home to a dire wolf.
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