Update 1.02 ruined cockpit view

[Zevious Z]

Perhaps. But, being different would allow users to work around this darkness issue without affecting the rest of the game's brightness, despite Zevious Z's eye's opinion stating otherwise.

You don't understand the issue. I have no problem with the general brightness under most circumstances. The problem is that there are a select set of conditions under which the in car view becomes pretty much too dark to use. I don't want to adjust the brightness/EV up because I already like the maximum brightness as is. Its the maximum darkness that is a problem. If things were generally dark, I'd say sure, turn up the brightness. But I don't want to make the brights brighter. That just substitutes one wrong for another.

 

[Alss]

I bring up two issues the lacking of challenge AI and the cockpit darkness and all of a sudden im a gt hater and get thrown the line " go and play other game " hater, unbelievable.

If you can't talk about a few issues relating the GT6 on GTPLANET without being told to play another game and getting called a hater I give up, the mentally of some people never stops amazing me.

 

[YZF]

with the further increased hdr many lcd tvs with dynamic contrast struggle as the in game contrast is "too much" vor them to calculate correctly:

in gt5 the "black" of many car dashboards was more a dark grey or even light grey, so the tv stays quite bright.

in gt6 many black dashboards are really black now causing the dynamic contrast algorithm to turn down brightness.

try for your self if you can and turn dynamic contrast off.

normal lcd has around 1:800-1:1100 real contrast(tv even lower) so all above are mostly dynamic contrast values.

edit: i can read the dash clearly on twin ring under the bridge in my fit/jazz. on pc lcd or tv no difference.

It's not under the bridge, it's AFTER the second bridge (East Course configuration).

Give me video of how your game looks like (you can record with crappy photo-camera, as I did. It'll be enough)

 

[shirakawaa]

I'm using my PS3 on a PC monitor with hdmi input which does not process the image as certain TVs do (many have a built-in auto-dimming feature, which works almost the exact opposite of dynamic contrast, and which can't be turned off. That supposedly helps reducing the ghosting/blurring effect on moving elements).

Also, I've calibrated my monitor's color and levels with test pictures before GT6 got released. It hardly can get significantly better than this for the intended usage, which is playing PS3 games (GT6) and as a secondary display for my PC.

This is a GT6 problem only affecting the cockpit view.

 

[mister dog]

I bring up two issues the lacking of challenge AI and the cockpit darkness and all of a sudden im a gt hater and get thrown the line " go and play other game " hater, unbelievable.

Why u whining, you can always put the brightness on your TV higher, make your own engine sounds and play with a car that has 200PP less and put comfort hard tyres on?

 

[Conquerer]

Ctrl + F: comparison pics. Not found.

 

[Alss]

Why u whining, you can always put the brightness on your TV higher, make your own engine sounds and play with a car that has 200PP less and put comfort hard tyres on?

Pmsl

 

[Zevious Z]

lol, sometime over the next few weeks, PD is going to acknowledge this issue and fix it in an update an I'm going to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at a few people...

 

[YZF]

Ok, new and easier test enviroment:

Free Run -> Daytona Road Course. Time: 13.00 (default, locked by the game). Immediately after the start of the lap.



I tried with several different road cars, all have the same dark (almost black) dashboard.

It gets better after first turn and after the third turn it goes back to darkness again

 

[CeeJay]

oh no... I was really hoping PD would fix the dark interior lighting of the cockpit view but they made it even darker now??? nooooooooooooooooooo

 

[PepeMickey]

Well, I knew about this since the demo but no, never believe in constructive criticism right? It's obvious that the lightning and contrast are completely wrong, they were in GT5 too but to a lesser extent. However, proper calibration is great a start, I keep seeing crushed blacks all over the internet with GT6's videos.

Also, if you're going to record off-screen footage, reduce the backlight of your TV so that we can see the problem more accurately.

 

[YZF]

oh no... I was really hoping PD would fix the dark interior lighting of the cockpit view but they made it even darker now??? nooooooooooooooooooo

Actually OP (the thread starter) is just wrong. Nothing was changed in 1.02. However nothing was fixed as well.

It's the same darkness as it was before. Some people probably just now tried those car/track combinations which produce such results. They somehow didn't try it before and they think it's because of the patch, although this issue is in the version 1.00 also

 

[Vegard]

Vegard, I'll help you to understand the problem with real testing enviroment:

Choose Honda Fit RS and go to Free Run -> twin Ring Motegi East.

I had no problem coming out of the tunnel (Pic quality is poor, i know).

The only way for it to be possible for some players to be experiencing this and others not, is if the disc version differs from the DL version (I have the PSN DL version), OR it's a calibration problem with either the game, the TV, or the PS3.
Am i wrong? have I overlookd anything here?
BTW I'm running 1080P through HDMI with Deep Colour set to auto and HDMI range full. (Sony KDL40 NX700)

 

[Marqus]

Actually OP (the thread starter) is just wrong. Nothing was changed in 1.02. However nothing was fixed as well.

It's the same darkness as it was before. Some people probably just now tried those car/track combinations which produce such results. They somehow didn't try it before and they think it's because of the patch, although this issue is in the version 1.00 also

I'm actually more worried that they didn't fix anything. I've experienced some wall-punching glitches so far.

 

[YZF]

Vegard> I see you deliberately increased white level of your TV and exposure in the game to max level...i mean look at all those white blotches in your pics....

What about adjusting everything back to normal contrast levels? I mean i can barely see the track surroundings and i can't see kerbs with so much white in your pictures, lol

 

[Zevious Z]

You can see a bit of the issue in this video...



Note how the dash (including the steering wheel) at times dissolves to black much more than the GT5 version...

 

[PepeMickey]

HDMI range full crushes blacks, only use it if you're going to use much more brightness than normal (ex. in a room where lightning is not ideal, too bright, windows nearby, etc.), it's much better to turn off all the "dynamic" bs on your TV, turn off all "enhancements" and just go with your normal brightness/contrast settings to properly calibrate your TV, in case you don't have the necessary software and equipment or aren't willing to pay a professional.

 

[Zevious Z]

HDMI range full crushes blacks, only use it if you're going to use much more brightness than normal (ex. in a room where lightning is not ideal, too bright, windows nearby, etc.), it's much better to turn off all the "dynamic" bs on your TV, turn off all "enhancements" and just go with your normal brightness/contrast settings to properly calibrate your TV, in case you don't have the necessary software and equipment or aren't willing to pay a professional.

Yes, I have all the TV's image processing options disabled...

 

[Vegard]

Vegard> I see you deliberately increased white level of your TV and exposure in the game to max level...i mean look at all those white blotches in your pics....

What about adjusting everything back to normal contrast levels? I mean i can barely see the track surroundings and i can't see kerbs with so much white in your pictures, lol

lol That's probably my old phone camera.
I haven't adjusted anything before doing this test.

What are you implying, that i rigged the screenshot to defend PD .

 

[CeeJay]

HDMI range full crushes blacks, only use it if you're going to use much more brightness than normal (ex. in a room where lightning is not ideal, too bright, windows nearby, etc.), it's much better to turn off all the "dynamic" bs on your TV, turn off all "enhancements" and just go with your normal brightness/contrast settings to properly calibrate your TV, in case you don't have the necessary software and equipment or aren't willing to pay a professional.

This would make sense but the game looks fine when I'm in bumper cam.. if the whole game looked dark and weird I'd work on my TV video settings but it's just this specific in car camera view in the game that has this "darkness" issue.

 

[PepeMickey]

Yes, I have all the TV's image processing options disabled...

I do see the issue and boosting the brightness or EV up won't help, boost brightness and you'll end up with a gray blob moving across the dash, boost EV up and you'll end up with ridiculously white clouds, shiny road textures, etc.

All you guys can hope for is PD recognizing the issue and fixing it trough updates, they didn't with GT5 but at least the issue wasn't too big of a deal.

 

[machschnel]

Personally, I don't see why anyone bothers to play a driving sim in anything but cockpit view and using anything but a wheel and pedal set-up, but to each their own.

Possibly because seeing your G27 in your hands then another set of hands on another steering wheel on the screen isn't realistic at all.....

 

[YZF]

For all people that think it's a TV/game video setting issue: it's not, because on some tracks the onboard lighting is OK and actually on the same track at different parts of the track, lighting changes from GOOD to BAD (black) and then back to GOOD. And when you switch to outside cam view, everyhing is GOOD again.

The TV can't adjust it's balck level on the specific part of the screen (where dashboard is) and several times per lap.

PD must fix this issue and there is no other way around it

 

[sporkface69]

My problem is not with the dash, its with the world outside the car. It almost looks like the front windscreenis tinted. Really dark and hard to see, even in full daylight. I ddon't have this problem with any other view.

 

[Zevious Z]

Possibly because seeing your G27 in your hands then another set of hands on another steering wheel on the screen isn't realistic at all.....

yeah well neither is floating along the track or 15 feet above and behind your car. Everything in games is a compromise and I have a far easier time with seeing the wheel and hands in cockpit than I do with the compromises in other views (although ideally I'd love to be able to remove the wheel from the in car view)

 

[smskeeter23]

(although ideally I'd love to be able to remove the wheel from the in car view)

This.

 

[machschnel]

yeah well neither is floating along the track or 15 feet above and behind your car. Everything in games is a compromise and I have a far easier time with seeing the wheel and hands in cockpit than I do with the compromises in other views (although ideally I'd love to be able to remove the wheel from the in car view)

That's were bumper cam comes in. While far from perfect, it's actually a decent view. Just think of how big an actual windscreen is. A 32' TV isn't even big enough to replicate most windscreens so why would you clutter your TV up any more than you had to?

 

[GregOr1971]

Just run my Honda on Twin Ring and well , before bridge , under the bridge , after the bridge , I don't see any problem with that Honda cockpit . Everything is as good as it is. Cockpit gets darker after the bridge ,but that's because sun is shining from the back , so cabin gets properly darker . I can clearly see all instruments , dashboard , airvents , whatever . Generaly ,tracks viewed from cockpit are bit darker in GT6 , because they try to replicate toned windshields on some cars.
I run my PS3 on LG LCD , 1080p and only thing I ever changed from default tv settings is brightness > turned up for 5% , and that's my default settings for all PS3 titles incl.GT5/6.

 

[GTP_MacGyver]

Already wrote it somewhere here. Few days ago had a run at Silverstone. 9am - cloudy - no rain. I really could not see anything out there, it was nearly black, had no idea where was track, grass, curbs..... They really need to fix this.

 

[smskeeter23]

but that's because sun is shining from the back , so cabin gets properly darker . I can clearly see all instruments , dashboard , airvents , whatever . Generaly ,tracks viewed from cockpit are bit darker in GT6 , because they try to replicate toned windshields on some cars.

If this were the case the track out of the windshield would actually get brighter and more washed out than darker.

The entire screen gets darker in these instances not just the interior or just the track it's both.


God I can't wait to boot this up tonight and get some proper example pictures.