Updating a 25th Anniversary Mustang(56k warning)

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casey_2005
The truck in the video isn't your average mud truck, which is usually some rusted out 80s Chevy that starts cutting out the second it hits the pit and doesn't even have enough power to clear their way too fat tires of mud, turning them into big slicks, all while dragging the axles and pushing 2 feet of mud with the bumper. Go to your typical family mud run and that's what you'll find.

This has turned into one of the dumbest threads ever.
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I've been to plenty, look a this video of mine... Not much of that happening, and those years there was easily 2 ft of water and another 1 ft of mud in some parts.. others probably more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S94sXOC9vsY
 
Antonisbob
I don't pay attention to new cars, they're all ugly in my eyes, nor does anyone I know own a Lexus, and I've never seen one at a car show with the hood up and asked the owner "What type of engine is that?". Sorry.
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New cars?
I dont think they put V8s in the new LS Lexus'.
The 1uz was put in 90s Lexus'
 
Nope, the 1UZ was exclusive to the LS400 and SC400, both of which were no longer produced after 2000. It was replaced by the 3UZ-FE 4.3 liter V8.
 
'90s cars are considered 'new' to me. 1985 and older is all that I'm pretty much interested in when it comes to passenger cars, with the few exceptions of Fox body Mustangs, Camaro's, and Buick Roadmasters/Chevrolet Caprices from the 1990's.
 
Antonisbob
'90s cars are considered 'new' to me. 1985 and older is all that I'm pretty much interested in when it comes to passenger cars, with the few exceptions of Fox body Mustangs, Camaro's, and Buick Roadmasters/Chevrolet Caprices from the 1990's.
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Same, with the exception of recent and future Mustangs.
 
^ Don't view it then?

TBH though, I don't think this thread is going to go anywhere anytime soon, considering the OP has other priorities right now it seems.

Off topic;

Slashfan
Same, with the exception of recent and future Mustangs.
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Yea man, I'm all for the modern muscle cars, Lambo's, GT-R's ect. But seriously every passenger car is a generic, gutless and ugly silver/black/white pile of recycled beer cans & plastic. Exactly why I will never drive a new car, my current car is twice as old as I am.

/Off topic.

Still think Five-O is the best way to go.
 
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The engines you guys are suggesting are wayy too modern and complicated. Overhead valves are far too needlessly complicated. If you want a really compact engine that is able to be mounted super low, and makes a lot of torque while being reliable, I think a flathead is the way to go:

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The advantages far outweigh the detriments. They made these engines for over 50 years, that means they are really good. Also, because it's older technology, by default, that means its better, more advanced (really) and way more reliable than anything that has come along since. Did I mention they are cheap? This is really the best measurement of a good engine, so they are the best, really.

I would really suggest a steam engine, and I'm currently scouring the internet to find one that would be a suitable application for a foxbody mustang. I will update this post as soon as I can. You might have to modify the firewall to fit the boiler, and the pushrods. Steam engines are largely superior to internal combustion engines because they produce far more torque. Nothing close as far as horsepower, but this thread obviously and substantially proves that heavy engines, with older and superior technology, with lots of torque are clearly the most superior type. Again, I'm still trying to find information, but I really think steam is the way to go.

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Good news. Although I couldn't find much useful info on the internet, I did remember that my dad had some old steam engineering books. I found one that looks promising. It was published in 1896, so the engine designs are probably incredible. Will update soon.
 
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That's all well and good, but how good are they for demo derby applications? Or bog and grogs?


Just in case the OP gets that sudden itch.
 
Why are any of you talking about anything other than entering this Fox into a demolition derby? Four-cylinder Fox-body Mustangs are the most potent demo derby cars on the entire planet.

I'm being completely serious here. I've been to a few derbies with some redneck friends and Fox bodies won all of them. In one, Foxes were the three top three finishing cars.

My buddy entered an early-90s Volvo 750 with an inline-six into a derby one time and because it was within inches of the class regulations it was allowed to run with the compact 4-cylinder cars. It was by far the biggest and most powerful car out there. A Fox ran head-on into the Volvo's trunk, went straight through it and shattered the Volvo's differential, then backed out and went on his merry way. We were stunned at how decisively the brick-like Mustang won the short battle. That particular car ended up winning the entire thing with nothing more than cosmetic damage.
 
Well considering that most steam engines having more than 200hp weigh well over 1000lbs minus the several hundred gallons of water, + fuel, I'd say that they would do very well in a demo derby according to the kinetic energy equation where e[k] = 1/2mv^2. Sure you won't be making that V variable go up much, but that M number is going to be huge!

Of course if you do manage to get incapacitated, you can simply TKO the entire field by superheating and subsequently exploding the boiler!
 
Keef
Why are any of you talking about anything other than entering this Fox into a demolition derby? Four-cylinder Fox-body Mustangs are the most potent demo derby cars on the entire planet.

I'm being completely serious here. I've been to a few derbies with some redneck friends and Fox bodies won all of them. In one, Foxes were the three top three finishing cars.

My buddy entered an early-90s Volvo 750 with an inline-six into a derby one time and because it was within inches of the class regulations it was allowed to run with the compact 4-cylinder cars. It was by far the biggest and most powerful car out there. A Fox ran head-on into the Volvo's trunk, went straight through it and shattered the Volvo's differential, then backed out and went on his merry way. We were stunned at how decisively the brick-like Mustang won the short battle. That particular car ended up winning the entire thing with nothing more than cosmetic damage.
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Ibelieve it. I see Foxes in dirt races around my area alot
 
Keef
Why are any of you talking about anything other than entering this Fox into a demolition derby? Four-cylinder Fox-body Mustangs are the most potent demo derby cars on the entire planet.

I'm being completely serious here. I've been to a few derbies with some redneck friends and Fox bodies won all of them. In one, Foxes were the three top three finishing cars.

My buddy entered an early-90s Volvo 750 with an inline-six into a derby one time and because it was within inches of the class regulations it was allowed to run with the compact 4-cylinder cars. It was by far the biggest and most powerful car out there. A Fox ran head-on into the Volvo's trunk, went straight through it and shattered the Volvo's differential, then backed out and went on his merry way. We were stunned at how decisively the brick-like Mustang won the short battle. That particular car ended up winning the entire thing with nothing more than cosmetic damage.
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Well considering that I won't damage my Fox anytime soon in a demo, I think that once I get the body work done on it, I'll be perfectly fine with taking it out on the strip.

Oh, by the way, the car itself is still in the tranny shop, and discussions are taking place on weather or not to replace the tranny with something a bit more powerful compared to the engine, like say a custom C4?
 
Sanji Himura
Well considering that I won't damage my Fox anytime soon in a demo, I think that once I get the body work done on it, I'll be perfectly fine with taking it out on the strip.

Oh, by the way, the car itself is still in the tranny shop, and discussions are taking place on weather or not to replace the tranny with something a bit more powerful compared to the engine, like say a custom C4?
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C4s and C6s are some of the greatest auto transmissions ever built and can handle a lot of power. Sounds good
 
Resto Log: Car is out of transmission shop. Found out that it was a busted torque converter that was causing the leak, so it should be a afternoon fix.

On the plus side, managed to find some body parts off a fox body Mustang GT around the same year, so A few family members and I spent the afternoon getting the front clip replaced. Pics coming soon.
 
Question: I am now working on the engine with a "simple" swap of the engine internals, i.e, taking the stock header and swaping it out for a similar 2.3L Ford Ranger head that is a common practice to gain more power, according to my research. However, I have seem to run into a problem that is isolated to the inigtion system. I can't seem to maintain enough spark to get the car started, and as a result, my spark plugs keep fouling up with fuel. Any help?

Oh, and sorry for the Double Post. I figured that this warrants a post of its own.
 
Update: After a year of work, I have some special news about the car.

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1. We had to create a special cluster pod, two of them actually, for the gauges. What's pictured here is the typical front cluster that is in the dash with the tach, fuel gauge and the speedometer. I don't like them personally, however they will do as a temporary measure until I get enough money to replace them with their digital counterparts, which I feel that they are far more accurate.

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2. Is it an automatic, or a manual? Trick question. Since our transmission man gave up on the project, we had to resort to having another transmission shop set it up as a manual valve body automatic(meaning that you actually had to shift it like a manual). It is a nice touch to something that I have never seen done before on a transmission.

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3. This is the main control panel of the car. I don't know what each switch does, but the yellow button will open the trunk of the car.

This is about it for the car to this point. Now all I really need done on it is paint and inspection, but what I really want done to it is to throw out the interior for a cleaner look.
 
Personally I'd stick with analog gauges, trying to read rapidly changing numbers as rpm's and speed climbs is annoying, well the tach anyway. Nice job though.
 
astrosdude91
Put a Toyota engine in it. 1UZ or 2JZ. It will decimate all.
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LOL


Go modular V8 in this one. even a dime a dozen 4.6 SOHC PI would be awesome in this car.
Or go big with the 4.6 DOHC out of a MKVIII would be cheap. MOD FOX FTW.
 
Bah. I still say that 16 valve Volvo redblock turbo would be the best option. Because no-one expects it. Screw V8's.
 
Why? Lighter than V8, with higher power potential for less money.. Swedes have been pulling 4 digits out of those on pump fuel for ages.
 
Purists.

While I do see your point....


...The cost to change everything so it would even work would be pointless. You are talking custom fabrication on everything from engine mounts and cross members to radiator brackets and supports, miscellaneous hoses, tubing and endless cans of WD-40, not to mention what transmission you are going to run and its mounting hardware, shortening or lengthening the driveshaft to custom specs as well as wiring it up and everything, providing a new fuel system, brake system and then still not know if you are going to have proper clearance on things. Is the transmission going to bolt up and fit under the car or are you going to have to cut the floor out and make the gulley larger and buy all new carpet? Will the seats clear if you make this change? Where is your shifter knob going to be located? How much farther will you have to reach for it? How areyou going to provide fuel to the engine? Wiring? Will the factory tachometer wire up or will you need to wire in a new aftermarket one and mount it somewhere? How much change in length do you need in the driveshaft not to mention gettig a custom one made since the yolks will not be the same size on either end.? These are all some of many questions that need to be answered. At this point if you don't have the tools and skills to do this work yourself let alone the time to do it and buy all the parts and materials etc you are looking at well into $20K if not more with labor and I have a feeling I'm lowballing that. I'm sorry but it is much more cost effective to drop in a V8 with factory and aftermarket parts not to mention a hell of a lot easier and less time consuming than try and fart around with something no one has ever done for a few pounds of less weight. A backyard mechanic with a cherry picker could do it in an afternoon if he had the engine and a few parts right there whereas it would take many months to change it to what you are suggesting let alone if it will even work.
 
Oh, it's been done before. Ford's 2.3 4banger and Volvo's equivalent are very close to each other. Even the budget builds have got up to 500bhp+ with chinese knock-off parts from ebay or backyard parts.. All this for far less than 20k you speak of.. Because Volvo's turbo motors are all over the place for few hundred bucks and there's plenty of know how on the forums to those who are interested and mechanically inclined. Also, half less moving parts to go wrong with, so it's simpler to keep running. :P But enough OT..
 

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