Veyron: Disappointment?

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xNEVER-ONEx
Like it or not, but the Veyron is last decade's F1. A lot of us grew up idolizing the F1, but people like my little brother grew up idolizing the Veyron. And to say the Veyron is nothing but a over priced luxury car is wrong.
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well, with the way the veyron gets media attention, im not surprised that the younger generation grows up idolizing it. but i think calling the veyron the last decade's F1 is wrong. there are lots of other supercars out there more worthy to be the succesor of the F1.

the F1 is indeed old and surpassed in tech specifications by modern cars, but it will still be the "hero" in my memories.
 
Novice
well, with the way the veyron gets media attention, im not surprised that the younger generation grows up idolizing it. but i think calling the veyron the last decade's F1 is wrong. there are lots of other supercars out there more worthy to be the succesor of the F1.

the F1 is indeed old and surpassed in tech specifications by modern cars, but it will still be the "hero" in my memories.
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Well, I said it from a purely influence side of things. I mean they are similar. Both have ridiculous top speeds and accelerations. Their popularity is comparable. But ya, in terms of engineering, they are using different philosophies. One is about weight, where as the other is all about power. I was a bit disappointed that the MP4-12c is not naturally aspirated.
 
You have to see where i am coming from here, the F1 is my dream car, has been since i was a child, i got to sit in one in a car museium that i went to with my parents for easter sometime in the early 90s. I've dreamed about owning that car all my life, watched every video, magazine articles, my desktop computer background picture, my GT5 avatar picture. I have been obsessed with it, but one think i am not is ignorant.


What you're linking above is not a road car, it is road legal but that is a racing car, despite this, if you raced that in a straight line it would be left in the dust by a Veyron. The supersport will do a 1/4 mile in under 10 seconds and then go on to 267MPH, that is just brutality.

If were talking about roadcars here, the fastest Mclaren F1 specific road car is the LM and im afraid it would not stand a chance against a Veyron SS on a track.
 
Bigbazz
You have to see where i am coming from here, the F1 is my dream car, has been since i was a child, i got to sit in one in a car museium that i went to with my parents for easter sometime in the early 90s. I've dreamed about owning that car all my life, watched every video, magazine articles, my desktop computer background picture, my GT5 avatar picture. I have been obsessed with it, but one think i am not is ignorant.


What you're linking above is not a road car, it is road legal but that is a racing car, despite this, if you raced that in a straight line it would be left in the dust by a Veyron. The supersport will do a 1/4 mile in under 10 seconds and then go on to 267MPH, that is just brutality.

If were talking about roadcars here, the fastest Mclaren F1 specific road car is the LM and im afraid it would not stand a chance against a Veyron SS on a track.
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Fact is, you said the SS would beat any car on the road. The F1 in my vid is street legal. That's all that matters.

And really, race in a straight line? Ha...
 
CarolinaBlue704
Fact is, you said the SS would beat any car on the road. The F1 in my vid is street legal. That's all that matters.

And really, race in a straight line? Ha...
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You still have not proved that the F1 LM is faster than the SS in a race. Neither have we, so I guess we're all playing armchair racers.:sly:
 
CarolinaBlue704
Fact is, you said the SS would beat any car on the road. The F1 in my vid is street legal. That's all that matters.

And really, race in a straight line? Ha...
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To be honest, nobody can know if the racing GTR would beat a Veyron SS. for a start it would have to be on road tyres. The GTR falls under the group of cars such as the FFX and the Zonda R, which are race/track/road cars designed to be used with racing slick tyres, that in theory could be road legal, yet on time attack tests such as that on the nurburgring and even on Top Gear can not post times as road cars.

The Zonda R posted the fastest lap around the Nurburgring but the record doesnt stand because it is not technically a proper road car.


Still, depends on the track, the Veyron SS is something special and on the straights the Mclaren racing car would not stand a chance.
 
Bigbazz
To be honest, nobody can know if the racing GTR would beat a Veyron SS. for a start it would have to be on road tyres. The GTR falls under the group of cars such as the FFX and the Zonda R, which are race/track/road cars designed to be used with racing slick tyres, that in theory could be road legal, yet on time attack tests such as that on the nurburgring and even on Top Gear can not post times as road cars.

The Zonda R posted the fastest lap around the Nurburgring but the record doesnt stand because it is not technically a proper road car.


Still, depends on the track, the Veyron SS is something special and on the straights the Mclaren racing car would not stand a chance.
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It didn't stand because it's not street legal. The F1 I posted is. The FXX isn't street legal, either.

xNEVER-ONEx
You still have not proved that the F1 LM is faster than the SS in a race. Neither have we, so I guess we're all playing armchair racers.:sly:
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Pretty much...:)
 
Anyone read this yet?

Gordon Murray, designer of the McLaren F1 (which for many years was the fastest production car ever built) said the following about the Bugatti Veyron in UK auto magazine evo during its development period:
The most pointless exercise on the planet has got to be this four-wheel-drive thousand-horsepower Bugatti. I think it's incredibly childish this thing people have about just one element—top speed or standing kilometre or 0–60. It's about as narrow minded as you can get as a car designer to pick on one element. It's like saying we're going to beat the original Mini because we're going to make a car 10mph faster on its top speed—but it's two foot longer and 200 kilos heavier. That's not car designing—that just reeks of a company who are paranoid...
Murray later brought up and criticized Volkswagen for "scamming" car buyers in the 90s for buying the cheapest parts possible for the production of Jettas and Golfs, allowing Volkswagen to make a larger profit off their car sales, funding the construction of the Bugatti Veyron. However, Murray was impressed with the Veyron's engine and transmission after he test drove one for Road and Track magazine.

I mean he clearly says the car is only good for straight line top speed. He has a point as well. Without the Veyron holding the top speed record, its just nothing. When the new SSC car comes out makes me wonder what VW would do.

Someone said early in the forums that he liked the car. Which it doesn't seem like he liked it so much at all.
 
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MadBullBunny
Anyone read this yet?

Gordon Murray, designer of the McLaren F1 (which for many years was the fastest production car ever built) said the following about the Bugatti Veyron in UK auto magazine evo during its development period:
The most pointless exercise on the planet has got to be this four-wheel-drive thousand-horsepower Bugatti. I think it's incredibly childish this thing people have about just one element—top speed or standing kilometre or 0–60. It's about as narrow minded as you can get as a car designer to pick on one element. It's like saying we're going to beat the original Mini because we're going to make a car 10mph faster on its top speed—but it's two foot longer and 200 kilos heavier. That's not car designing—that just reeks of a company who are paranoid...
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You realized his views would understandably be biased right?
 
well.. until someone builds a track with straights long enough for the veyron to fully use its 1000hp engine.. that won't happen, and we prolly won't be seeing a Veyron race car.

xNEVER-ONEx
You realized his views would understandably be biased right?
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maybe, but i agree with what he said.
 
Novice
well.. until someone builds a track with straights long enough for the veyron to fully use its 1000hp engine.. that won't happen, and we prolly won't be seeing a Veyron race car.
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One reason why the Veyron did good on the topgear test track. It has many straights to put its power to use. Didn't make that good of a time though considering its value. Its just a Calender picture car.
 
Interesting that he makes a car with the intention of breaking the speed record for a road car, his car holds the record for a number of years and becomes a legend pretty much due to that factor (not putting down the win at Lemans of course).

Sour Lemons? im not sure, he is a genious designer and the F1 is the most beautiful car on the planet, fast and brilliant, but that sure sounds like he is a bit of a sore loser. The F1 car is 20 years ago what the Veyron is today, a car built for immense speed, to be the fastest.



The Veyron did a good time at the top gear track considering how fat it is, while it is a power track its nowhere near allowing the Veyron to open up its legs.. ^^, pretty sure the SS Veyron holds the record at the track though.
 
The Veyron was designed to be the fastest road car in the world. It was also designed to be a luxury car as well which is why it weighs 2 tons. What were you expecting from it? To handle as well as Porsche or a track day car?
 
I don't think hes being a sore loser at all. He achieved what he wanted and held it. With technology moving as fast as it does, even a tugboat boat was able to achieve higher speeds.
 
CarolinaBlue704
Welcome to reality, OP. The Veyron is a fast luxury car.

McLaren F1 > Veyron... Couldn't resist.
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The F1 is a super car, the Veyron is a GT car.

so, yeah, of course the F1 is better, it doesn't have to haul around all the weight of the luxuries.
 
Technically the Veyron haves an 1.8 Weight/Power ratio, which is a bit less than common supercar's 2 WPR, yet it's stats are too high in general to make a good handling car. Like my tuned to 1.2 WPR Caterham, it's stats are small, so it haves a GODLY handling but it's limited to a 200 Km/h even if it haves a lower WPR.
 
MadBullBunny
One reason why the Veyron did good on the topgear test track. It has many straights to put its power to use. Didn't make that good of a time though considering its value. Its just a Calender picture car.
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Are you kidding me. The TG has very short straights. Its a great track for fast accelerating cars, but no where near a high speed track. Also, it requires lots of great handling.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
Are you kidding me. The TG has very short straights. Its a great track for fast accelerating cars, but no where near a high speed track. Also, it requires lots of great handling.
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LOL I didn't say high speed straights at all. I said straights to put its power into. The veyron does have quick accelerating I will give it that. The Topgear track has enough straights to put that power into.
 
This type of test is never going to happen in the real world, so nobody can know. We should settle this.

Modify the Mclaren F1 to stats as close to the GTR as possible, modify the Veyron to as close as the SS as possible, put them on a track and race them, sports soft tyres. Just in the name of fun. I have no idea what would win, at the top gear test track i do know the Veyron will beat the F1 with both in standard trim.
 
Bigbazz
This type of test is never going to happen in the real world, so nobody can know. We should settle this.

Modify the Mclaren F1 to stats as close to the GTR as possible, modify the Veyron to as close as the SS as possible, put them on a track and race them, sports soft tyres. Just in the name of fun. I have no idea what would win, at the top gear test track i do know the Veyron will beat the F1 with both in standard trim.
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Bigbazz
Interesting that he makes a car with the intention of breaking the speed record for a road car, his car holds the record for a number of years and becomes a legend pretty much due to that factor (not putting down the win at Lemans of course).
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It was never intended to set the top speed record. It was intended to be Murray's vision of the ultimate road car, everything else was a happy accident. He asked BMW for 550 HP and they gave him 627. They didn't even know how fast it would go until they crunched the numbers to figure out the gearing. And they still underestimated it: the car redlines ten MPH short of what it's aerodynamically capable of.
 
MadBullBunny
LOL I didn't say high speed straights at all. I said straights to put its power into. The veyron does have quick accelerating I will give it that. The Topgear track has enough straights to put that power into.
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Well then, what track would the Veyron absolutely suck on. I can imagine it having a bit of problem at the ring. But apart from that, most tracks are balanced and allow straights to put that power to work. Also, even in the game the Veyron is not that bad. I used it to beat the like the wind race at Daytona road coarse against LMP, and it did quite good for it self.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
Well then, what track would the Veyron absolutely suck on. I can imagine it having a bit of problem at the ring. But apart from that, most tracks are balanced and allow straights to put that power to work. Also, even in the game the Veyron is not that bad. I used it to beat the like the wind race at Daytona road coarse against LMP, and it did quite good for it self.
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Exactly. Look at how many straights the Daytona road *course* has. Its why people were able to win on it with the Veyron and I think some were able to tune it so much to make it able to win on the other track. Though like most say, its a game, its not the real thing. I hope topgear america show the veyron on their track.
 
MadBullBunny
Exactly. Look at how many straights the Daytona road *course* has. Its why people were able to win on it with the Veyron and I think some were able to tune it so much to make it able to win on the other track. Though like most say, its a game, its not the real thing. I hope topgear america show the veyron on their track.
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Well so what. I mean most tracks are well balanced. They usually have sections of medium speed curves, low speed hair pins, and high speed straights. That is what makes cars interesting. Certain cars are good at certain things. World would be boring if all our cars came in different shades of F1.
 
Exactly and the topgear track is setup more for the faster accelerating cars. Which is why I said the Veyron did good as it did on that track. It didn't really show how good it does in the corners at all really. Though the topgear america test track only has one really one long straight.
 
MadBullBunny
Exactly and the topgear track is setup more for the faster accelerating cars. Which is why I said the Veyron did good on that track.
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That is why I think the Veyron would still be able to put up great lap times on pretty much any track.
 

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