Viability of older race cars from GT6 in GT Sport (Honda NSX LM Race Car)

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  1. ShiftingGears

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    Why would you want more recycled content? There are hundreds of cars with more motorsport pedigree and significance than what's been listed.
     
  2. Skygrasper550

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    Gr.2 is a mess right now, no matter what side of the fence you are in. It's very unfortunate.

    Why not? It's not as if this thread is directly impacting the DLC that we're getting. I don't work for PD, and I fail to see how this thread generates such a reaction from people like you, an attitude like "stop discussing old cars we should focus on cars we never had from here on out". Despite me wanting GT1 cars such as the Aston Martin DBR9 to be included in the game, past GT games had a fair amount of really good cars. If you don't like the topic of this thread, exercise your freedom to skip it and check the other threads instead.
     
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  3. LotusEvoraGTE

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    PD has the Z4 GT3, V12 Vantage GT3 and SLS AMG GT3 (all early 2010 cars) in Gr.3 since launch, nobody bats an eye.

    The second they add the E92 GT2 (same year as the Z4) to Gr.3 and the '08 GT500's to Gr.2, everyone complains. :confused:
     
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  4. coryclifford

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    It's not everyone that is complaining.

    Gr 2 is more fun now.

    The internet, more negative than positive.
     
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  5. 05XR8

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    I'm waiting to see how the Falcon XR8 handles GT3. :sly:
     
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  6. Alpha Cipher

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  7. MrWaflz55

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    It won’t, because they aren’t going to add it.
     
  8. coryclifford

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    do you know this as a fact?
     
  9. MrWaflz55

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    We haven’t gotten a new Australian car since GT4, Forza holds the monopoly there right now.
     
  10. coryclifford

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    Except it was in GT6, or maybe I'm misunderstanding?
     
  11. 05XR8

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    Kaz said he wants to think carefully about which Australian cars he could include. Anyway, not to derail this thread about what will or won't be added.

    When choosing to buy the '08 cars, some players should think about whether they just want to use them for nostalgia's sake, to compare performance and/or to just make liveries.
     
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    Let's face it, one way or another someone will completely riot over what cars will be added into the game down the future.

    Cars from GT6
    "Stop adding old cars PD you're lazy"

    New cars
    "Why add this but not this PD you're stupid"
     
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  13. ShiftingGears

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    Because there have been enough GT games with the same cars, and it makes the game stale, especially when the cars included aren't particularly interesting or important in the first place.

    I comment as I see fit, whether it is on a thread of your liking or not is not my problem.
     
  14. Fabr_123

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    The V12 Vantage raced at Blancpain Endurance Series this year, and it perfomed very well. Complaing about it being unrealistic would make no sense.

    You have to consider that the M3 is a GT2 car, that's why some of us don't want to see it in Gr.3.

    While the old and new GT500 cars are technically the same class, I'm not sure if even with BoP they would be competitive. Regulations have changed a lot over the years.
     
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  15. LotusEvoraGTE

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    The Vantage GT3 in the game is a 2012 model year, not a 2018 one.
     
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    maybe just because they have been racing together with new gen in real around 2012-2014? Well New Vantage will come next year so it pretty understable and some car like Z4 GT3 running on this year N24H.

    About M3 GT2 maybe because we already have 2 BMW on same class then it make it 3 now? So people maybe think better put resource for another GT3 car for another brand?

    And for 08 GT500.... maybe because it on same class with current gen so it make it virtually not acceptable in term PoW and BoP.

    The problem we have RSR too that supposed to be new gen for GTE (still no light for GT3-R :dunce:) so it pretty much acceptable imo
     
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  17. LotusEvoraGTE

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    Was the Z4 GT3 at least competitive against whatever group it was running in during this year's N24? If not, sick strawman you got there.
     
  18. Fabr_123

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    It's still the same spec of 2012. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was no evo version of this model.

    Yeah, for now it's okay.

    However on the next GT, I would like to see these GTEs separate from Gr.3, but only if they add more GTEs (and of course, the 911 GT3R needs to replace the RSR).
     
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    well, I just saying that have been compete together not about competitiveness. Yes I know they suck at that race even I didn't remember they get some proper coverage on race :lol: (even it DNF on race) But Vantage still on race till finish and have good race with AMG as long as I remember and finish on 4th overall, Z4 and Vantage is on same class anyway (SP9-LG stand for Last Generation)

    What I trying to point on here is even if the car is 1 gen behind the current (not trying think GT3-Evo version) it can still fighting with new gen car.

    Edit: If we put like Matech Ford GT GT3 or Marc VDS Mustang on track together we have different story absolutely lol (both around 07-09 if I not wrong)

    Dunno but for myself current GTE car and GT3 car haven't so much different even Manufacture sell GTE-GT3 converter kit. And if you seeing lap time on 2017 Spa for both class (GTE Pro, GTE AM, plus GT3) it just around 2:17 to 2:19 even on GTE AM and GT3 it have on same time around 2:19. from that I just concludes ok to have RSR on same class. I have been trying to see on Silverstone result it have been much more closer. They different because manufacture involvement only.
     
  20. BrunusCL82

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    The PD should create GR. 2 cars fictitious, as it did in class GR.3.
     
  21. Fabr_123

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    The RSR lap time in this years WEC round was a 2:13, while the pole for Spa 24h was a 2:18. Of course we have to consider the conditions, among other things ... but it's still 5 seconds. I suspect that if it were IMSA spec, it would lap even faster...

    After all, I think the game managed to balance them well.
     
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    I know, right? But for me it comes down to how PD handles the addition of new cars. The M3 E92 in Gr.3 is really sweet, but the 2008 GT500 in Gr.2 is just...... no. :yuck: They can do better than this, I'm sure.

    It's... not bad, actually. I had recorded it some time ago but it's only now that I got to upload it, mainly because of work. I'll post it shortly.

    No, it IS your problem, because comments like yours, like "Why would you want more recycled content" "Why you do want old cars to be brought back", isn't adding to the topic being discussed in this thread.
     
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    How did you BoP the car? How was it in the turns compared to Gr. 3? Did it make up most of it's time in the straights?

    Didn't expect a Supercar to be close, so I'm quite curious to how it is :eek:
     
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    This is something that I have been meaning to upload for quite some time but haven't, because back then we've had enough Gr.3 videos. Now, since @05XR8 has brought it to my attention recently, it looks like I'll have to postpone my Gr.4 videos yet again :lol:

    The Ford Falcon XR8 is actually one of the first cars I touched on when recording GT6 videos, because it was one of the cars I highlighted in my main post. Keeping in mind that it's inferior to GT500 cars, I went ahead and tried to see if it's a good fit against GT3 cars in Gr.3 . Lo and behold, it's... actually not bad.

    Car: Ford Falcon XR8 '00
    Lap Time: 1:55.750 (-0.252 against benchmark)
    Course: Nurburging GP
    Tires: Racing:Soft
    Power: 599hp (Limiter at 100%)
    Weight: 1350kg (Ballast at 0kg)



    Despite the ridiculously close difference in lap times while in stock form, there is a lot that needs to be discussed here, chief among which is that a newer set of Australian V8 Supercars would be preferable should they be included in the game, because the Ford Falcon is a good 18 years old now. I really don't know much about Australian V8 Supercars, so it would be amazing if the Aussie members in here can share their point of view.
     
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  25. TonyJZX

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    I dont think it'll ever be implemented as Aus V8 Supercars isnt as big as say DTM etc.

    However up until fairly recently it was a Ford Falcon vs Holden Commodore affair.

    The big sea change would be around 2004/2006 when the BA Falcon and VE Commodore came about and this would be the big rivalry.

    And they would improve with styling and mechanical changes eg. BF vs. VEII... the FG Falcon vs. VF etc. They would end with the FGX and VF2.

    AUstralia enthusiasts will know the model changes for road and race cars just by looking at this. I think kind of dynamic best suits modelling.

    The age as depicted in GT6 was the EA-EL/AU years.

    THe Holden would be the VT to VZ years.

    Past this is when they opened up competiton to the Mercedes C63s and Nissan Altimas and even Volvo. These showed up in FOrza.

    With Bathurst here I feel like their should be the Falcon Commodore duo there just out of respect. THey are GT3 sort of speed but with less tyres cornering but more power given the are 650hp or so 5.0 litre v8?

    I look at these in a kind of jaded eye... I've driven the road versions, owned them and see them on TV so I never felt that "buzz" you have with the JGTC machines.

    Further that GT6 Falcon you see then in the scrapyards all day so... they are beginning to disappear of the roads given they are 20yr old cars.
     
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    Out of all the cars that I feel like it's more likely to arrive in a future update, these ones I feel like they're more likely to arrive soon.
    Vette Z06 LM? As mentioned previously, it's resembles the Z06.R GT3. Only difference is that the Z06 LM happens to be wider than the Z06.R GT3 and some visual difference too. And specs-wise, I'll leave it to you to judge.
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    As for the R8 LMS? PD's trend of adding old race cars says it all.
     
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  27. Mr P510

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    I've always thought PD should add the Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500 Touring car but hey,thats just my thoughts.
     
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  28. 05XR8

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    Well, in real life, a current VASC can circle Mount Panorama in 2:03.8. A GT3, is about 2 seconds faster around the mountain.



    Forza do have a licence for VASC, but it's not exclusive. Ian Bell of Project Cars, mentioned they wanted VASC in PC2, but VASC wanted them to include all the tracks. It cost too much(PC2 does have the Falcon FG in their car list). I don't know how T10 got by that, but Mark Skaife has connections with XBOX(Microsoft).
    Nothing saying one Supercar hasn't been modelled: the GT Academy Altima.
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    Very interesting. Looking up on their specs, they're at about 620hp and 1410kg, yes? That is quite close to a GT3 car. I'm thinking the main reason why the GT3 cars are faster is because of their lighter weight and downforce. Comparing those lap time videos, the M6 got a huge lead over the Falcon on Sector 2. That's amazing.

    Why we never got this as DLC back in GT6, we will never know, and in turn is painful.
     
  30. 05XR8

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    Painful indeed. With Nissan the main piece in GT Academy, I swore it was coming.

    Anyway, The XR8 runs on 17" wheels. The current Supercars run on 18". Last year, the tyre was also wider(290mm compared to 280mm) due to the squarer edge of the "new" Super Soft tyre. It gave more grip, but teams were too aggressive with negative camber and tyres were blowing. This lead Dunlop, to revert to the more rounded edge of previous years and harder compound. GT3 tyres are like 330mm.

    Still, pretty impressive for a VASC to do all this with little aero, skinny tyres, a "welded" diff, no ABS/TCS and no paddle shifter.