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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%
  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%
  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%
  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%
  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%
  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%
  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%

  • Total voters
    578
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So continues the Shane Van Gisbergen saga. I still think he didn't want to drive a Merc.
 
I still think he didn't want to drive a Merc.
I suspect that's what happened. He was under the impression that Stone Brothers would field two Fords (plus the Rosenberg entry) in 2013, but then they sold the team to Erebus, who decided to use the Mercedes. Van Gisbergen lost faith in their ability to give him a competitive car and wanted out, but had to resort to some pretty extreme measures to do it.
 
Never seen Trois Rivieres before so I'll take your word for it.

In other news MP's will be deciding the fate of the Surfers Paradise street circuit over the next couple of days.:nervous:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/22/gold-coast-mps-discuss-future-of-surfers-street-race/

And a new road circuit is proposed for the Gold Coast. Unfortunatly a certain German circuit designer is said to be involved.:scared:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/12/bold-plans-for-2-5-billion-motorsport-precinct-on-gold-coast/

PS. I also didn't mind Canberra.:)

Take my word for Trois Rivières, or watch a video.



As for the Gold Coast race, that's my favourite race, and usually the only race I watch.


As for Canberra, your nation's capital needs an epic race eventually, right?


Canadians feel pride in hockey. Australians feel pride in barbies (not even the dolls, proper veggie burgers,) rugby (or whichever word you use in your part of Australia) and the V8s. What's a nation without its pride?
 
Take my word for Trois Rivières, or watch a video.



As for the Gold Coast race, that's my favourite race, and usually the only race I watch.


As for Canberra, your nation's capital needs an epic race eventually, right?


Canadians feel pride in hockey. Australians feel pride in barbies (not even the dolls, proper veggie burgers,) rugby (or whichever word you use in your part of Australia) and the V8s. What's a nation without its pride?


Used to have Trois Rivieres on Rfactor ages ago, awesome track. Wouldnt mind if the V8s went there at all!!
 
Used to have Trois Rivieres on Rfactor ages ago, awesome track. Wouldnt mind if the V8s went there at all!!

See?! The V8s should visit Canada. First, Abu Dhabi. Then Texas. Now, Canada!?


Please!!!!


Mosport OR Trois Rivières, doesn't matter.
 
As for the Gold Coast race, that's my favourite race, and usually the only race I watch.
And it's under threat (again):

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/22/gold-coast-mps-discuss-future-of-surfers-street-race/

As for Canberra, your nation's capital needs an epic race eventually, right?
Not really. See, Canberra was built because Sydney and melbourne could not agree on which city should be the capital. So the solution was to draw a line on a map between the two of them, and then build a brand-new city to be the capital at the halfway point on that line. It's actually pretty isolated; it's not even on a major highway. These days, it performs the secondary function of keeping all of our politicians in one place and away from everyone else.
 
Also, we don't have a permanent circuit, and the roads are either to narrow, or everyone has too much of a NIMBY attitude for us to get a race back.
 
...proper veggie burgers...

I smell a vegetarian.


Bit of a repost that.

Also, we don't have a permanent circuit, and the roads are either to narrow, or everyone has too much of a NIMBY attitude for us to get a race back.

It's a pity when NIMBY's dictate what you can and cannot do. You would think they could build a circuit near the speedway though.
 
Back to van Gisbergen's decision to un-retire, and he's taking a lot of very harsh criticism from fans. Not unlike Lowndes joining Ford all those years ago, or Triple Eight moving to Holden, or James Courtney swithcing to HRT ... for a nation that prides itself on having a fair go, some of the fans can be very unsporting about this stuff.
 
And it's under threat (again):

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/22/gold-coast-mps-discuss-future-of-surfers-street-race/


Not really. See, Canberra was built because Sydney and melbourne could not agree on which city should be the capital. So the solution was to draw a line on a map between the two of them, and then build a brand-new city to be the capital at the halfway point on that line. It's actually pretty isolated; it's not even on a major highway. These days, it performs the secondary function of keeping all of our politicians in one place and away from everyone else.

I wish the United States had that. Add to the irony that we also had a temporary circuit there (now long gone).
 
Back to van Gisbergen's decision to un-retire, and he's taking a lot of very harsh criticism from fans. Not unlike Lowndes joining Ford all those years ago, or Triple Eight moving to Holden, or James Courtney switching to HRT ... for a nation that prides itself on having a fair go, some of the fans can be very unsporting about this stuff.

It's the rivalry that the sport has breed on show, personally I don't like how he may have been treated at SBR. I think they signed his contract only a few weeks before they sold out.
 
Back to van Gisbergen's decision to un-retire, and he's taking a lot of very harsh criticism from fans. Not unlike Lowndes joining Ford all those years ago, or Triple Eight moving to Holden, or James Courtney swithcing to HRT ... for a nation that prides itself on having a fair go, some of the fans can be very unsporting about this stuff.

My thoughts exactly. It's disappointing to see.
 
Its not surprising though is it? We pride ourselves on this Ford vs Holden battle so when someone jumps its not a shock if people get upset. They will get over it
 
The criticism isn't being directed at his switch - I seem to recall Russell Ingall moving to Ford and later back to Holden without much controversy - but rather in the way he did it. To hear some people tell it, the Stones believed in van Gisbergen when no-one else would, and that all of his acheivements to date stem from that faith, but van Gisbergen betrayed them at the first opportunity, manipulating the fans into feeling sorry for him as he retired so that he could get out of a contract he did not want to honour.
 
Which is a valid issue to dislike him or have an issue. I don't like when guys do that and burn a bridge for dumb reasons. He still is young though and thinks he probably is golden boy a little. There are a lot.of things we don't know yet but I was a fan, now I'm unsure.

I might jump ship this year to Holden as seems like the guys I like has changed some.
 
After twenty years, Perkins Engineering has been closed down:

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/24/end-of-era-as-perkins-closes-doors-on-moorabbin-workshop/

For our international guests who might like a piece of V8 Supercars history, there is an auction on eBay of some of Perkins' equipment:

http://myworld.ebay.com.au/perkinsmotorsport

The auction starts at 8pm AEDST (9am London, 4am New York).

The Perkins RECs have now been formally sold to Kelly Racing:

www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/24/larry-perkins-confirms-sale-of-recs-to-kellys/

Which is a valid issue to dislike him or have an issue.
Except that most of the people criticising him for it are assuming that he always intended to deceive SBR and garner sympathy from fans, and that it was all a ploy to get out of a contract.
 
After twenty years, Perkins Engineering has been closed down.

A sad day for Australian motorsport.

On the topic of changing makes however, the ones that prisonermonkeys listed were high profile. Lowndes had won the 1996, 1998 and 1999 titles and finished 3rd in 2000. Triple Eight had finished 2nd in 2006 and 2007 followed by winning back to back in 2008,2009 on top of their hattrick at Bathurst from 2006-2008. And of course Courtney won in 2010.

The switch is only controversial when the person or team switching is high profile. Russell Ingall for example won two Bathursts (1995,1997), the 1998 Sandown 500, the 1999 Queensland 500 and was runner up in the series muliple times. By 2003 however he was further down the field so his change to SBR didn't attract the same attention as those mentioned above. Although he won the 2005 championship, he had again fallen back by the time he moved to Paul Morris Motorsport meaning he again didn't attract much attention from his switch.
 
You need to remember why 888 switched to Holden as well, Ford cut the funding because there was too much red in the livery and not enough blue.
 
You need to remember why 888 switched to Holden as well, Ford cut the funding because there was too much red in the livery and not enough blue.
That had nothing to do with it. The "blue car policy" never existed. Ford encouraged teams to avoid using red when and where possible and to use blue if they could, but they never tried to force teams to stop using red and start using blue.

Ford cut funding to Triple Eight because they felt that Triple Eight were strong enough to survive on their own. Likewise Dick Johnson Racing the oldest team in the country. Ford thought that if they cut the funding to the teams that could survive without it and redirect that funding to the Ford teams that needed it - Stone Brothers and FPR - they could have more competitive cars on the grid that way. What they didn't realise is that teams like Triple Eight would take the loss of manufacturer backing very poorly.

I've never been able to work out where all this talk of a strictly-enforced "blue car policy" came from, but I suspect that it was started by Triple Eight in an attempt to discredit Ford. Things got really, really bitchy when they lost the funding, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it to make it look like Ford were throwing away a championship-winning team over something as specious as the colour of their cars.
 
You do realise Luff already co drove with Lowndes in the both the enduro's last year? I mean, hell, they won Sandown and finished 3rd at Bathurst. :lol:

Meh :lol: I think he is an overrated driver, out of 3 full time years his best result was like 17th, apart from the enduro's, and as for last year's enduro's, he only did the minimum stint required no more, the rest Lowndesy did, a great driver can carry a peanut,

You need to remember why 888 switched to Holden as well, Ford cut the funding because there was too much red in the livery and not enough blue.

There was that but they also had the Hog's Breath Cafe Badge instead of a Ford badge on the front and back of the car, and they were the only team getting financial backing from Ford, so it was a bick kick in the face by the team at Ford,

That circuit looks great mel, I'd have to say I would like to see V8SC visit there, also prefer them going to Laguna Seca instead of the Tilke Boringring at Texas,
 
That had nothing to do with it. The "blue car policy" never existed. Ford encouraged teams to avoid using red when and where possible and to use blue if they could, but they never tried to force teams to stop using red and start using blue.

Ford cut funding to Triple Eight because they felt that Triple Eight were strong enough to survive on their own. Likewise Dick Johnson Racing the oldest team in the country. Ford thought that if they cut the funding to the teams that could survive without it and redirect that funding to the Ford teams that needed it - Stone Brothers and FPR - they could have more competitive cars on the grid that way. What they didn't realise is that teams like Triple Eight would take the loss of manufacturer backing very poorly.

I've never been able to work out where all this talk of a strictly-enforced "blue car policy" came from, but I suspect that it was started by Triple Eight in an attempt to discredit Ford. Things got really, really bitchy when they lost the funding, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it to make it look like Ford were throwing away a championship-winning team over something as specious as the colour of their cars.

You are aware it was the same for DJR aswell.
 
Meh :lol: I think he is an overrated driver, out of 3 full time years his best result was like 17th, apart from the enduro's, and as for last year's enduro's, he only did the minimum stint required no more, the rest Lowndesy did, a great driver can carry a peanut,



There was that but they also had the Hog's Breath Cafe Badge instead of a Ford badge on the front and back of the car, and they were the only team getting financial backing from Ford, so it was a bick kick in the face by the team at Ford,

That circuit looks great mel, I'd have to say I would like to see V8SC visit there, also prefer them going to Laguna Seca instead of the Tilke Boringring at Texas,

888 only started using the Hogs breath Badge after they already had lost funding from Ford.
 
You are aware it was the same for DJR aswell.
Yes, that's what I said. as the oldest team in the country, Ford felt that DJR could survive on their own without funding. There was never any "blue car policy".
 
You are aware it was the same for DJR aswell.

That sounds right in theory, but it really wasn't, Brad Jones Racing, Supercheap Auto racing, Team Kiwi and another team had their funding dropped, hence them moving over to Holden, or disappearing into the mist, that left, FPR, SBR, DJR and Triple 8, They then dropped DJR for what ever reason, then SBR and FPR, keeping triple 8, then dropped it over the badging or something, and Holden has done the same, hence the Manufacturer growth,
 
I smell a vegetarian.

Good, my job is done here. :lol:


Anyways, I still like the non-permanent circuits more than the permanent circuits. The sight of T1 at Adelaide (Clipsal 500 layout) and the numerous chicanes at Gold Coast are a sight for sore, Canadian eyes that want to see more curb-hopping.

Knowing from experience, curb-hopping is extremely fun.
 
Good, my job is done here. :lol:


Anyways, I still like the non-permanent circuits more than the permanent circuits. The sight of T1 at Adelaide (Clipsal 500 layout) and the numerous chicanes at Gold Coast are a sight for sore, Canadian eyes that want to see more curb-hopping.

Knowing from experience, curb-hopping is extremely fun.

The new Gold coast layout is wrong! the old Champ car track was so much better,
 
The new Gold coast layout is wrong! the old Champ car track was so much better,

You mean the new non-existent layout proposed? Yeah, that's terrible.


If you mean the layout that was the venue for my favourite race ever?




NO!
 
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