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Holden or Ford

  • Holden

    Votes: 209 36.2%

  • Ford

    Votes: 175 30.3%

  • Ford and Holden

    Votes: 64 11.1%

  • Nismo

    Votes: 74 12.8%

  • Erebus

    Votes: 7 1.2%

  • Nismo and Erebus

    Votes: 6 1.0%

  • Volvo

    Votes: 43 7.4%
  • Total voters
    578
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It'll be for 2017. You have one more year left for enjoyment. ;)
 
05XR8
It'll be for 2017. You have one more year left for enjoyment. ;)
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Its starting to dawn on me that the future is not the place for me :D
 
Because Cadillacs are sold in this country and all.
 
mustafur
Because Cadillacs are sold in this country and all.
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I just couldn't see the logic in Opel. People would put their kids as down payment on a Cadillac here. Just sell the Escapade for starters. Then CTS. They would have cleaned up.
 
I don't know what you guys expected, a sedan series for the rest of the time cars of this manner are made? I don't see why the Aussie version can't be it's own blend that sets itself apart from the other coupe series
 
The reason I love V8's so much is that they remind me of a slightly more brutal version of the mid to late 90's BTCC series. Back when the BTCC was good. Not only that, they are unique and changing to something similar to what the rest of the world is already running will be a huge negative for me.

With that said, I do wish they would keep the 4-door sedan part of it, but I welcome more manufactures and engines. Will make them even more similar to the 90's BTCC and that should be fun to watch.
 
R1600Turbo
The reason I love V8's so much is that they remind me of a slightly more brutal version of the mid to late 90's BTCC series. Back when the BTCC was good. Not only that, they are unique and changing to something similar to what the rest of the world is already running will be a huge negative for me.

With that said, I do wish they would keep the 4-door sedan part of it, but I welcome more manufactures and engines. Will make them even more similar to the 90's BTCC and that should be fun to watch.
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You were the biggest guy against it in my opinion before, now you seem more accepting. That's nice. To me any racing with drivers this talented under the same management should be good. If it be Sedans I love, coupes I love or a mix of both.
 
NW48
http://m.foxsports.com.au/motor-spo...des-benz-and-amg/story-e6frf3z3-1227254946863

So, yeah. Erebus has reportedly cut their ties with Mercedes-Benz & AMG. Not surprising since they haven't received much, or none depending on how you look at it, but still interesting nonetheless.
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Not what I wanted to hear, I don't see why Merc couldn't just give some money and try to dominate in this area. I mean I know the Merc sales and image aren't massive in Aussie land but still...
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Not what I wanted to hear, I don't see why Merc couldn't just give some money and try to dominate in this area. I mean I know the Merc sales and image aren't massive in Aussie land but still...
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Not exactly, Australia buys more AMG's per Capita then anywhere in the world, and is the the Best selling Luxury Marque in Australia by a big Margin.

The biggest problem about it though is mainly because it was all Erebus's doing having them in the series in the first place, Mercedes where never really looking into the series in the first place but Erebus went to them and paid them to make them a Customer car so that is basically what came from it.
 
mustafur
Not exactly, Australia buys more AMG's per Capita then anywhere in the world, and is the the Best selling Luxury Marque in Australia by a big Margin.
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But they aren't as big as say Hyundai or Honda or whatever. Mercedes does have a bit to go before it truly is a massively recognised manufacturer across the whole of Australia.
 
mustafur
Not exactly, Australia buys more AMG's per Capita then anywhere in the world, and is the the Best selling Luxury Marque in Australia by a big Margin.
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I'm talking overall sales for one, and everything I found shows that the U.S. is the most important single-country market for MB sales. With China rapidly growing, but didn't see anything on MB sales being so vastly great in Australia. And if they are it makes even less sense to just let a team with their cars flounder about even after gaining a win last year.
 
NW48
But they aren't as big as say Hyundai or Honda or whatever. Mercedes does have a bit to go before it truly is a massively recognised manufacturer across the whole of Australia.
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Given its price that isn't really going to Change much though, the biggest issue is our car market in general is pretty small due to our population.

Also this was an AMG Customer deal which is why I am mentioning it, and my point is Mercedes doesn't require China or USA quantity of sales to justify a factory team or what not.
 
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We''ll see what the rules bring. May get BMW and Audi back in the game. Mercedes weren't big over here back in the 80's and 90's either. Hulme brought over the 190e without support. It was an awesome effort to see the E63s race. They got a win and some good finishes last year. I do hope they allowed to use Mercedes shapes in the future. Does make me wonder who Erebus could woo for 2017.

On the issue with McNamara not wanting coupes. Might he be afraid of the shape if the Mustang? Looks like it would be quite slippery as a race car. Plus, Ford have a few good engines in the Ecoboost and the Five point Oh and V6.
 
Isn't it allowing both Sedans and Coupes to race though?

The biggest problem I think is the engines, it's not going to be easy to balance them to a level like you have now and that will change the racing dramatically, having turbo charged engines running alongside N/A engines are going to be different regardless.
 
Ferrari... Err, I mean McNamara, will lobby things to suit Holden. He's more vocal about gaining advantages than anyone else in pitlane. He's saying they won't race what they don't sell. Holden don't sell coupes(at the moment). They could be at a disadvantage. We'll have to see about the rules. Wheelbases, track width, front and rear overhangs.

The turbos will have to manage heat as much as the NA. The coolest temperature circuits are Albert Park, Taz, NZ and Phillip Island. Maybe Eastern Creek. While turbos in the past were managing 400-500. They'll be making 650hp- no doubts with new technology. There is no current data for turbos out here, unless you're Nissan.
 
What im saying is your not going to get the cars as close as to what it is now because turbos have completely different torque curves to N/A engines meaning they are going to have to run different power to equalise them to N/As.

Which will likely create GT3 style racing rather then what we have now.
 
prisonermonkeys
And how is that a bad thing? What we have now is cars going around in circles until Roland Dane complains and Jamie Whincup wins.
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Highly unlikely any regulation is going to change that.
 
mustafur
What im saying is your not going to get the cars as close as to what it is now because turbos have completely different torque curves to N/A engines meaning they are going to have to run different power to equalise them to N/As.

Which will likely create GT3 style racing rather then what we have now.
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I see. But the the GT3 cars have aero. The rules haven't yet stated the cars will have 330 wide tyres. Or fins from front to back or flat bottoms. I think they'd stay away from that. Sure, power and power delivery will be key. In this series, aero or lack of it and drive out of corners makes the difference. We've seen with Erebus and Nissan.

Tangent: Wait a second. This brings to mind Nissan having too much aero. Why didn't anyone make a stink of it? Nissan had to raise their hand to trim some aero off. But in the name of parity, why did V8SC sign off on Nissans aero package when it clearly was not equal to the other cars? Nissan clearly had an advantage even if the power numbers were lower. However, it may be Nissans fault for an underdeveloped engine. This is wrong that the Altima was the better car in cornering.

Back on course: This Thursday-Sunday will show us just how good these cars are. Low 20s and partly cloudy all 4 days. Perfect for racing.
 
Thats the thing though with V8SC BoP is very incremental as all the engines are very Similar and the cars weigh the same with many parts as spec to make it as equal as possible, GT3 has none of that so the cars have big variations depending on the track they go to and the gaps between the field is much larger because of it.

When you make the engine much more different from car to car this will make it much more difficult to equalise at the same level as it was before, because when you have turbo vs N/A getting Acceleration and speed equal is basically impossible unless it's changed on a track by track basis.
 
They can just split the field into two 'group's' if need be...
 
NW48
They can just split the field into two 'group's' if need be...
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How about they don't, and just continue with the current V8 5.0 formula and shoe horn them into the Holden cruze, ford mondeo, and what not?
 
TDZdave
How about they don't, and just continue with the current V8 5.0 formula and shoe horn them into the Holden cruze, ford mondeo, and what not?
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5.0 Litre V8's are doomed for extinction. No serious manufacturer is going to advertise their brand by going racing using an engine that they either don't sell or is quite rare to find in a normal street car. The car market is shifting drastically and they need to change to suit that to stay relevant.

People just need to accept change and trust that the parity stage may just be done correctly this time around.
 
NW48
5.0 Litre V8's are doomed for extinction. No serious manufacturer is going to advertise their brand by going racing using an engine that they either don't sell or is quite rare to find in a normal street car. The car market is shifting drastically and they need to change to suit that to stay relevant.

People just need to accept change and trust that the parity stage may just be done correctly this time around.
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Under the guidance of James Warburton, nothing can be done right,
 
NW48
5.0 Litre V8's are doomed for extinction. No serious manufacturer is going to advertise their brand by going racing using an engine that they either don't sell or is quite rare to find in a normal street car. The car market is shifting drastically and they need to change to suit that to stay relevant.

People just need to accept change and trust that the parity stage may just be done correctly this time around.
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not exactly, look at TC2000.
 
Lexus have stated they would use their V8 RCF in the series. Volvo were serious enough to join not knowing about the Gen2 rules(unless teams were keeping Gen2 a secret). NISMO joined as well and are keen to continue developing the V8. They're just waiting to see what the next rules are before deciding what platform to develop next.
 
That's what I meant earlier. That engine is proven. Up the boost from whatever 550-590hp its got now, to 650 and they're done.
 
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