Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Archive

[prisonermonkeys]

No, they need a big WEYLAND-YUTANI decal on the car.

 

[That90sGuy]

No, they need a big WEYLAND-YUTANI decal on the car.

Sorry for missing something, but I've never heard of Weyland-Yutani?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's a joke. All of the other companies are real - Norton, for instance, produced anti-viral software that can be harder to remove from your system than most viruses; BP caused the Deep Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico and didn't care; and Halliburton are accused of war profiteering, because they won all the contracts to rebuild Iraq and secure oilfields during the occupation - but Weyland-Yutani is perhaps the most evil fictional company in the universe. They're antagonists in the ALIEN franchise, who regularly send crew of people into dangerous situations to secure a specimen of the titular alien, an aggressive predator, because profits.

 

[Spacegoat]

Telling your drivers to intentionally wreck others just to win isn't evil enough already?

Since when do the Busch brothers drive V8's?

Seriously though, Triple Eight will not have any problem's finding a new sponsor.

 

[That90sGuy]

It's a joke. All of the other companies are real - Norton, for instance, produced anti-viral software that can be harder to remove from your system than most viruses; BP caused the Deep Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico and didn't care; and Halliburton are accused of war profiteering, because they won all the contracts to rebuild Iraq and secure oilfields during the occupation - but Weyland-Yutani is perhaps the most evil fictional company in the universe. They're antagonists in the ALIEN franchise, who regularly send crew of people into dangerous situations to secure a specimen of the titular alien, an aggressive predator, because profits.

OK. I understood the BP and Zynga references but I haven't seen the Alien movies, that's why I didn't get it.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

BP caused the Deep Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico and didn't care

Research the facts then come back to us on that one.

They run up front though, which is the most important factor.

because of the money they get from vodafone,different sponsor means less money which means good chance they are going to drop down the field.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Research the facts then come back to us on that one.

Right, because when the guy running the company says "Nobody wishes this was over more than I do, because I have a life I'd get back to", you just know that the company is a universal force for good.

Nor was Deepwater Horizon their only questionable episode.

because of the money they get from vodafone,different sponsor means less money which means good chance they are going to drop down the field.

Um, what? We're talking about Triple Eight here - the team that has won three of the last four drivers' and teams' championships. And in the years they didn't win those championships, they were the runner-up. They are one of the most successful teams in the sport at the moment, and they can ask practically any price they want of any sponsor, and that sponsor will happily pay it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bidding war over sponsorship of the team that results in them getting even more money than they do now.

So, as you so indelicately put it, "research the facts then come back to us on that one". Because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Right, because when the guy running the company says "Nobody wishes this was over more than I do, because I have a life I'd get back to", you just know that the company is a universal force for good.

Nor was Deepwater Horizon their only questionable episode.

BP rented the rig,the staff and the equitment on it etc etc everything that failed was down to an american company not bp.

Um, what? We're talking about Triple Eight here - the team that has won three of the last four drivers' and teams' championships. And in the years they didn't win those championships, they were the runner-up. They are one of the most successful teams in the sport at the moment, and they can ask practically any price they want of any sponsor, and that sponsor will happily pay it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bidding war over sponsorship of the team that results in them getting even more money than they do now.

You are aware how motorsport works yes?


people bidding in a bidding war over giving triple 8 money.....really?

do you actually want a list of massive teams that over the years have lost a title sponsor then dropped down the field?

ill give you 3 teams that you can start with 2 in the ATCC and you can go from there

HDT
HRT
Williams F1

 

[prisonermonkeys]

BP rented the rig,the staff and the equitment on it etc etc everything that failed was down to an american company not bp.

As you say, they were renting the rig. They were responsible for it.

people bidding in a bidding war over giving triple 8 money.....really?

Did you not read what I just said? Triple Eight is a very successful and very competitive team. They are a very attractive proposition to any company looking to get exposure in V8 Supercars. They are virtually guaranteed a lot of coverage, since the team is so competitive.

More to the point, do you even know anything about V8 Supercars? Triple Eight are one of only a handful of approved costructors, and sell cars to smaller teams like Tekno Autosports and Lucas Dumbrell Motorsports. Sponsorship is not their ownly source of income.

do you actually want a list of massive teams that over the years have lost a title sponsor then dropped down the field?

Correlation does not imply causation. Again, I direct your attention to your own words: "research the facts then come back to us on that one". You cite Williams F1 as a team that fell down the grid because they lost a major sponsor. This is not the case. Their decline began when Adrian Newey left the team, and they mismanaged their car development for the next few years, culminating in the disaster that was 2011. Ironically, they had just signed PDVSA as a major sponsor in a deal worth $40 million per year.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Did you not read what I just said? Triple Eight is a very successful and very competitive team. They are a very attractive proposition to any company looking to get exposure in V8 Supercars. They are virtually guaranteed a lot of coverage, since the team is so competitive.

More to the point, do you even know anything about V8 Supercars? Triple Eight are one of only a handful of approved costructors, and sell cars to smaller teams like Tekno Autosports and Lucas Dumbrell Motorsports. Sponsorship is not their ownly source of income.

So What happened to triple 8 in the uk when vauxhall went? Again major sponsor went and down the field they went then mg comes in throws money at them and back up the field they go (and yes well aware that triple 8 uk and triple 8 aus haven't been the same since 02)

And i take it your not up to speed on perkins engineering then? Don't worry they've only been around for 28 years. They made race winning cars for themselfs and other teams then lost a major sponsor and then dropped to midfield.

Correlation does not imply causation. Again, I direct your attention to your own words: "research the facts then come back to us on that one". You cite Williams F1 as a team that fell down the grid because they lost a major sponsor. This is not the case. Their decline began when Adrian Newey left the team, and they mismanaged their car development for the next few years, culminating in the disaster that was 2011. Ironically, they had just signed PDVSA as a major sponsor in a deal worth $40 million per year.

PDVSA sponsor Maldonado not williams ,They also lost BMW and HP before their sponsorships contracts ended which lost them alot of money too.

But i suppose we can gloss over that as you don't know much about the history of the sport i suppose time will tell what will happen to them

 

[prisonermonkeys]

So What happened to triple 8 in the uk when vauxhall went? Again major sponsor went and down the field they went then mg comes in throws money at them and back up the field they go (and yes well aware that triple 8 uk and triple 8 aus haven't been the same since 02)

And i take it your not up to speed on perkins engineering then? Don't worry they've only been around for 28 years. They made race winning cars for themselfs and other teams then lost a major sponsor and then dropped to midfield.

Again, correlation does not imply causation - just because something happened one particular way in the past, that does not mean it will always happen that way. So what if the UK arm of Triple Eight had financial problems? Triple Eight Australia is independent of Triple Eight UK. And so what if Perkins Engineering lost a sponsor? It was in entirely different circumstances to Triple Eight and Vodafone.

You claim that every time a team loses a major sponsor, they go backwards. Well, let's take a look at Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport. They lost Gulf Western Oils at the end of 2011. They picked up iSelect at the start of 2012 - right at the last minute, too - and Taz Douglas scored their best result to date, with 12th place at Symmonds Plains. Or how about Tony d'Alberto Racing? They lost backing from Wilson Security this year, then picked up PFERD for three races and Hyflex from the Hamilton round, where he scored an 8th place. Going by your logic, Lucas Dumbrell and Tony d'Alberto sould have gone backwards the minute they lost their sponsors. But they didn't. How do you explain that?

PDVSA sponsor Maldonado not williams ,They also lost BMW and HP before their sponsorships contracts ended which lost them alot of money too.

Then why was the Venezuelan congress upset that PDVSA was paying $40 million in state funds to Williams F1?

But i suppose we can gloss over that as you don't know much about the history of the sport i suppose time will tell what will happen to them

You're right. I have no idea about the history of the sport, because you're clearly not talking about Formula 1 or V8 Supercars or any other form of motorsport.

You've already embarrased yourself enough for one night with your ignorance. Why don't you quit while you're still ahead and save yourself further humiliation?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

And so what if Perkins Engineering lost a sponsor? It was in entirely different circumstances to Triple Eight and Vodafone.

How is it? Perkins did it for years jumping between Mobil (who was actually brocks sponsor) castrol and jack d.

You claim that every time a team loses a major sponsor, they go backwards. Well, let's take a look at Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport. They lost Gulf Western Oils at the end of 2011. They picked up iSelect at the start of 2012 - right at the last minute, too - and Taz Douglas scored their best result to date, with 12th place at Symmonds Plains. Or how about Tony d'Alberto Racing? They lost backing from Wilson Security this year, then picked up PFERD for three races and Hyflex from the Hamilton round, where he scored an 8th place. Going by your logic, Lucas Dumbrell and Tony d'Alberto sould have gone backwards the minute they lost their sponsors. But they didn't. How do you explain that?

They had a title sponsor?

i take it you missed the part where i said lost a sponsor that was giving them bucketloads of money to getting a sponsor that will only give them handfuls of money that makes a huge difference to R&D and i take it you forgot when Triple 8 AUS last lost a huge sponsor (FORD) what did they do? Went to Holden and asked for a load of money so they then switch to commodores.

Then why was the Venezuelan congress upset that PDVSA was paying $40 million in state funds to Williams F1?

We aren't talking about dodgy deals behind closed doors if you want then how long have you got i've got plenty from the TWR and VLR days

You've already embarrased yourself enough for one night with your ignorance. Why don't you quit while you're still ahead and save yourself further humiliation?

LOL!!! sorry you were the one posting about a bidding war on sponsoring triple 8 yet post no proof of this happening??? you clearly didnt read my orginal post properly because it was in relation to the amount of money triple 8 got before compared to what they may get now in future but like you said this would never happened to triple 8 as this is triple 8!!! the best team eva im guessing is your opinion.

well guess what its happened to the best of them.

DJR
SBR
THDSV
HRT
GRM

 

[prisonermonkeys]

LOL!!! sorry you were the one posting about a bidding war on sponsoring triple 8 yet post no proof of this happening??? you clearly didnt read my orginal post properly because it was in relation to the amount of money triple 8 got before compared to what they may get now in future but like you said this would never happened to triple 8 as this is triple 8!!! the best team eva im guessing is your opinion.

In the world according to you, a team's success is a direct result of their keeping the same sponsor for year to year. You continue to make straw man arguments, but you have not addressed the main point here: why do you seem to think that a team that has won three teams' and three drivers' championships in the past four years (and has been runner-up in both in the fourth year) - and is arguably the best team in the sport today - will not be able to secure a new sponsor for the same amount of money (or more) that they are currently getting?

Because even if your insane theory somehow comes true, and for some reason Triple Eight can only get half as much from their new sponsors as they are currently getting from Vodafone, you're still overlooking the Car of the Future regulations, which will be introduced next year and were deliberately designed to halve the cost of building and running a car.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

In the world according to you, a team's success is a direct result of their keeping the same sponsor for year to year. You continue to make straw man arguments, but you have not addressed the main point here: why do you seem to think that a team that has won three teams' and three drivers' championships in the past four years (and has been runner-up in both in the fourth year) - and is arguably the best team in the sport today - will not be able to secure a new sponsor for the same amount of money (or more) that they are currently getting?

Because even if your insane theory somehow comes true, and for some reason Triple Eight can only get half as much from their new sponsors as they are currently getting from Vodafone, you're still overlooking the Car of the Future regulations, which will be introduced next year and were deliberately designed to halve the cost of building and running a car.

No actually my post states that part of a teams success is the amount of money they bring in that they pass on to R&D.

CoF will only bring down the costs after show many years not in its initial season as things are brand new and need developed which is going to cost a vast amount of money.

Still waiting for your proof about the bidding wars will be interesting to read who is "fighting" over them no nothing?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No actually my post states that part of a teams success is the amount of money they bring in that they pass on to R&D.

Then why do you keep suggesting that as soon as a team loses a sposnor, they stop being competitive? Triple Eight will lose Vodafone sponsorship at the end of the season. But they have already started on development for 2013. They're using Vodafone's money to do it. And when they get a new sponsor, they will put that money into development for 2014.

I don't know why you seem to think development is something that the teams only do dueing the off-season.

CoF will only bring down the costs after show many years not in its initial season as things are brand new and need developed which is going to cost a vast amount of money.

Wrong again, but thanks for playing. Car of the Future was designed to halve costs to teams from the moment the regulations were introduced.

Still waiting for your proof about the bidding wars will be interesting to read who is "fighting" over them no nothing?

I never said that. Here, read on:

They are one of the most successful teams in the sport at the moment, and they can ask practically any price they want of any sponsor, and that sponsor will happily pay it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bidding war over sponsorship of the team that results in them getting even more money than they do now.

I never said that a bidding war would happen - only that I could envision it. This is my opinion; I never presented it as fact. Your interpretation of it as fact only supports my belief that you can't read.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Then why do you keep suggesting that as soon as a team loses a sposnor, they stop being competitive? Triple Eight will lose Vodafone sponsorship at the end of the season. But they have already started on development for 2013. They're using Vodafone's money to do it. And when they get a new sponsor, they will put that money into development for 2014.

Yep we'll aware of how motorsport works in regards to R&D and they haven't just started development this year for 2013.

I don't know why you seem to think development is something that the teams only do dueing the off-season.


Wrong again, but thanks for playing. Car of the Future was designed to halve costs to teams from the moment the regulations were introduced.

Oh i know it doesnt run during the off season as recently i was at oulton park with a load of btcc and carrera cup teams and yes its designed to reduce costs but it doesn't in the initial stages if that was the case one make series would be a bargain but it isn't

Mini you can buy a car for 10k a season costs 20k+

Clio car is 50-60k a season is 80-100k

Porsche Carrera car 150k a season 250k - 400k

thats all + support by the way but if all the cars are one make so the same and all the same so wheres the money going

Your interpretation of it as fact only supports my belief that you can't read.

Nice aup with personal attacks now

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Nice aup with personal attacks now

I clearly stated my belief that Triple Eight could experience a bidding war betwee potential sponsors was nothing more than my personal opinion.

You read this as if I had presented it as fact.

This tells me one of two things: either you didn't read my post, or you couldn't read my post. Considering that you have ignored practically everything I have said ever since, I am led to believe that you cannot actually read.

 

[Will27]

If anything would make 888 drop down the field, it would be COTF, not the loss of Vodafone. I’m sure as prisonermonkeys stated, they will have no problem finding a replacement. The biggest worry will be for McNamara, the next sponsor might want a colour other than red.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

McNamara will just have to live with it.

He wants Triple Eight to win races for Holden. If he wanted cars to drive around in red paint, then he could have saved himself a few thousand dollars and persuaded some of the smaller teams to switch their alleigence. No doubt Triple Eight will try to accomodate his demands wishes as best they can, but if they find a sponsor who they feel is best for them and they just happen to have a blue logo, then McNamara has no right to interfere with that. He knows that if he does, Triple Eight could easily go to Nissan or back to Ford (unlikely as that is).

The idea of a blue sponsor is not as unrealistic as it might seem. Red Bull have been rumoured as a potential replacement for Vodafone. Sure, the rumours of Red Bull entering the category (usually with Rick Kelly and Kelly Racing) come up so often that you can almost set your watch by them, but I have it on reasonable autority that Red Bull very recently advertised the position of national motorsports portfolio manager in Auto Action.

 

[peter_vod69]

Does anyone else find the whole "red/blue" thing a little idiotic? I mean, anyone with eyes can tell the difference between the Falcons and the Commodores, and what colour will Nissan cars have to be when they arrive? Pink?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's a marketing thing.

 

[peter_vod69]

It's a marketing thing.

It's a little "lowest-common-denominator" isn't it?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Of course it is. Why else do you think Triple Eight removed all of their usual silver from their cars this year?

 

[peter_vod69]

It's ok, the rest of the livery will be gone at the end of the year...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Well, if Red Bull were to join as a sponsor (they advertised for a "national motorsports portfolio manager" in a recent issue of Auto Action), then I imagine that the new livery would feature a giant red bull on the side of the car, and the blue would be changed to purple, kind of like Travis Pastrana's GRC Dodge Dart:

But with a much, much bigger bull - so big that the tail would be on the C-pillar and the horns would be up against the front wheel arch.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Murphy is out for Hidden Valley, and while his team haven't confirmed his replacement for the event, they have shown off the new livery the Pepsi Max Commodore will sport, which is inspired by Murphy's helmet design (and actually looks pretty good):

http://www.speedcafe.com/2012/06/12/pepsi-max-crew-unveils-murphy-inspired-new-look/

 

[Stiggy]

I'd find it highly unlikely that Red Bull would sponsor 888, given that Whincup's major personal sponsor is Monster Energy (his helmet design is the Monster logo on a plain black background) and their Dunlop Series car is also sponsored by them. If anything I'd expect Monster to sponsor 888, and Red Bull to possibly sponsor one of the Kelly Nissans (which could tie in to the Infiniti sponsorship of the F1 team).

Also, Dunlop Series racer David Russell has been confirmed as Murphy's replacement for Darwin, however it is expected that a few other drivers will drive the #51 in the coming rounds

 

[CodeRedR51]

Guess it was 888's weekend. At least it was Lowndes who won and not Whincup. Makes the points hit not sting quite as much...

 

[TheBigMan045]

A couple of real good drives from the weekend. Race one was Craig Lowndes coming from 20th on the grid to 4th. Then was the qualifying effort from FPR 1 2 3, for a team to get all 3 of their drivers (Frosty, Davidson and Reynolds) is pretty good. Then from a near disaster Caruso (stall on the grid) comes through the field to finish 4th and on the tail of 3rd Also a good solid race from Premat, hopefully he can continue on and improve

 

[Spacegoat]

Then from a near disaster Caruso (stall on the grid) comes through the field to finish 4th and on the tail of 3rd

That was a seriously impressive drive from Caruso. I'll admit though, I didn't see a hell of a lot of that race. (I was flicking between that and Le Man's, while listening to Rugby League on the radio )

Speaking of GRM. Gary Rogers confirms they will run Holden's next year but admits the Chyrsler deal almost became reality.