W.M.A. International Touring Car Championship-Season Wrap-Up!

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I believe you. You race like you are just looking for lols also.
 
racingzack
You don't feal comfortable? It's a game. I accelerated at the big banner thingy above the track! I drove awfull for 1 lap at GVE wow! Big whoop!

Yea, some people don't want to be crashed, so they back off when near you... I can't comment on the jumped start, buuut based on the previous comments, chances are, you didn't do that... Also, a rule of thumb I use; once the person infront of you goes, go. Unless theyre way slow starting, don't pass them, not worth the risk.

And trust me, it wasn't one lap.

And Cnd, +1
 
I give Mel a lot of credit for allowing you a second chance after GVE, Midget. If I were the RD, you would have been shown the door after Grand Valley East, absolutely no question about it and that's exactly what I did suggest to him, 2 weeks ago. To Mel's credit he shot me down, and the fact that he gave you a second chance after that atrocious performance 2 weeks ago is proof enough to me that Mel is going out of his way to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. You've had your chances and it's time to move on.

You give him credit, I drive bad for 1 lap in 1 race at my first ever time doing anything competitive online. It wasn't the best driving in the word , but you speak of it as if the world was about to end.
 
You give him credit, I drive bad for 1 lap in 1 race at my first ever time doing anything competitive online. Is weren't at bad, you speak of it. As iff the world was about to end

I think it was pretty much the entire race, it's just that in the later laps there weren't as many cars around you to interfere with. And no the world isn't about to end, just your time in this series.
 
Oh, good one there. Your a real joker.

Have you lost your contacts, it wasn't the entire race!
 
You give him credit, I drive bad for 1 lap in 1 race at my first ever time doing anything competitive online. It wasn't the best driving in the word , but you speak of it as if the world was about to end.

It is not as much your over-aggressive driving as it is your stubbornness not to change and your defensiveness on here. If you would have just said that I messed up and it will not happen again, I would have believed you. You might have after GVE, but you did nothing to change your driving or even attempt to redeem yourself at Suzuka. That is why you got the boot.
 
Oh, good one there. Your a real joker.

Have you lost your contacts, it wasn't the entire race!

Yet another example of my last post.
 
racingzack
Oh, good one there. Your a real joker.

Have you lost your contacts, it wasn't the entire race!

It was pretty close to the whole race.... And he's right, at the end there weren't anyone for you to crash into...
 
Well even before I got a chance to redeem my self in race 2 I was kicked....

I can drive as defensive as I want, it's racing!
I don't have to move out your way, I'm not going to make it easy. It's racing!

Maybe once in life you will actually get to go and do some real racing....

And

"if you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver"
 
Well it wasn't really, oh yea I forgot I just go round to crash into people!

Wait how can I be aggressive and hitting people about the whole race when there was nobody to crash into? That's just a driving style
 
Well even before I got a chance to redeem my self in race 2 I was kicked....

I can drive as defensive as I want, it's racing!

And

"if you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver"

Ever heard of give and take? or patience?
 
How patient can you be in a 6 lap race around GVE? It's only a 1min 7 lap!

Why are so many of you viewing the thread and not commenting, join in the banter!
 
How patient can you be in a 6 lap race around GVE? It's only a 1min 7 lap!

Everyone else was doing a pretty good job of it.
 
The Team of Stewards pm'd some other series representatives. They said that the members of the former JZR team were removed...
 
Well Seth seamed to yet again make a couple of iffy overtakes in the leading pack, but non of these where looked at! Seth makes an excuse over everything. K1M was blocking me on my qualifying lap, I would have done a 10 second lap but because of him blocking me I didn't. I was on my lap why should I move!

Your penaltys system is stupid, if my driving was bad in that race give me a 10 second penalty! If I do it again give me another penalty!
 
The Team of Stewards pm'd some other series representatives. They said that the members of the former JZR team were removed...

What series! This is the 1st I have done! JZR is our first names with the "r" for racing at the end, it was done for the ITCC series
 
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Well Seth seamed to yet again make a couple of iffy overtakes in the leading pack, but non of these where looked at! Seth makes an excuse over everything. K1M was blocking me on my qualifying lap, I would have done a 10 second lap but because of him blocking me I didn't. I was on my lap why should I move!

Your penaltys system is stupid, if my driving was bad in that race give me a 10 second penalty! If I do it again give me another penalty!

Then you have currently 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds of penalties. I believe that will cover the rest of the season.
 
Hahaha, your a funny one!

Btw, am I interrupting your data collecting for round one on the ITCC championship?
 
When did I use run off, and why would would you want to go off track where there is less grip!!

And is the corner a hairpin.....no! And I didn't bomb my way past!

I'm sorry but it's not my fault how early people want to break into a corner and I break later and therefore go past!

Firstly, a map of Suzuka:
Circuit_Suzuka.png


Please do proceed to tell me how there's no hairpin. In case you misinterpreted me, by first hairpin I meant first travel to the hairpin and I saw one of you guys in a green Civic fly by. Turns out it wasn't you, but diddy. Hence, why I asked which one it was.

Right JZR final race recap:

# Formation Lap:

- You spin at the start. Seriously, not on a corner, or even 50m travelled, you're spinning.

- Diddy proceeds to push you off the road, possibly to get you under control or make a point that you were meant to be at the back, I'm not sure.

- Out of Degner 2 Diddy goes off track. On a formation lap? Turns out nothing was learnt from the GVE race 3 formation lap.

# Racing Lap 1;

- Horrible start overall. The leader stepped on it when the grid started and not at the Suzuka Finish line (our arranged start). However, you get from 13th to 8th by turn one. The rules that had clearly been stated both in this thread and the driver meeting thread (that MrM put the links to twice yesterday), that there was to be no passing by turn one. Also, diddy was ahead of the guy in same grid pairing, when in theory he should be behind as I was slow to respond to the false start. He then overtakes another 2 by the first corner.

- End off turn 2, diddy pushes Lancer onto the grass. Again hadn't learnt a lesson from GVE (although the side swipe there was much worse). Your positions are now 5th & 6th.

- Between turns 6 & 7 diddy was making contact with you, and you ended up cutting grass. Your driving was fine, diddy however...

- At the end of the Dunlop you unnecessarily give Seth less than 1.2 cars width on track on the right hand side, when you're about to turn right. You probably would've overtaken him by staying on the racing line, but instead Seth cuts the corner enough to make the turn without spinning too much and stays on track.

- The hairpin, as previously mentioned: diddy went onto the grass resulting in him spinning, crashing into you and ending up in the gravel. Granted he may have been touched by Lancer, but again there wasn't any room given, so it's to be expected. You're pushed down to 6th whilst diddy plummets to 11th and doesn't get involved in any more incidents.

- Into Spoon we could say maybe you divebombed Lancer, but it was clean.

- Spoon up to and including the 130R: You had the pace on seth, you overtook him (again leaving less than 1.2 cars width), but then immediately went onto his line in a braking zone when you're not yet 5m ahead. Yes Seth hit you, but he's clearly slower than you, so he's clearly going to brake after you. Think M. Schumacher at Catalunya this year, you need to observe the different braking zone that your rival is going to take. You then use the run off at the 130R to keep ahead of Seth. Oh look, there's the run-off you wanted. Oh and the run-off was tarmac, so grip does what?

# Racing Lap 2;

- At the S bends you get past cnd fine, although he was slow. He later mentioned not wanting to be rammed. Into 2nd.

- 200R you dive down the inside of Sakery to overtake. By down the inside, I mean over the gravel where there's an extra unused chicane. All you needed to at the pace difference was to go round the outside.

- The chicane, you cut across the grass as Sakery gets the lead back. You didn't need to use the grass, and could've waited for an over and under. However, it's forgiveable as Sakery would've probably blocked your view.

# Racing Lap 3

- Pit straight into turn 1. Again, you had the pace on the straight to overtake the GT86 driver. But then you once again go in front of Sakery with little room in a braking zone. From here you lead and pull away from Sakery, so yeah clean race herein for you.

Now, as for probation:

GVE:
- More than enough for probation for diddy in race 2. Actually, more than enough for an immediate ban.
- More than enough for probation for you in race 3.

Tsukuba:
- Jamie ran double soft stint in race 2, fine nothing to get hot under the collar about (unless you finished only 2 seconds behind him).
- Diddy used multiple blocking moves along one straight in race 3, which again wasn't learned from GVE.
- Jamie divebombed more than once in race 3.

Hence, you were all on thin ice going into this race. Then you reached the land of the rising sun and decided to go sumo.

By the way, I'm not sure if you realised, but we are using some F1 rules. For example, not cutting a corner to gain / defend an advantage, or 1 blocking move per straight. Points made clear repetitively I believe.

As for the sprint races, we're in a championship which, in theory, you should not be able to win every race in. It's about gaining as many positions as possible. For example, someone could finish 5th every race and win the championship. You don't need to win every race.
 
Zack, I think I speak for everyone here. I am the Team of Stewards representative. I relay the ToS's official decisions. If I say something, that's how it should be done.

Also, I notice that you quoted Ayrton Senna. Senna, though wildly entertaining and truly fast, crashed in most of his races. He was fast, but took too many risks. Surely, he wasn't at fault for his tragic death, but everyone knew "this guy's psychotic. One of these days he'll hit a wall more stubborn than he is." And, that's what did happen.

His quote isn't true. Most modern drivers know that the car needs to finish the race. Seth and I swept the podium every race last season in the Rolex series. We did it by finishing every race, and staying out of trouble. I agree, people should take opportunities-but not make opportunities. Go join a NASCAR league on Forza if you want to "make opportunities."
 
We where mucking around at the start - I use the handbrake, it doesn't effect the race! And if it weren't for mrM's screw up of the laps I wouldnt have had to start at the fron and let everyone past, someone screwed up!

And

Jamie hasn't been in our team, he has been in cnd's team MAFIA motorsport...

And

F1 rules in a TC series? Leaving a 5m gap before retaking the line is a bit much!
 
Last time I watched a Formula 1 race, absolutely no contact was made. That, and the battle for the lead was incredible. Stuff like that, is what drivers come back for.


I think you're a better fit for the "Open Lobby" rooms, K1M. GTPlanet doesn't really accept people who "muck about."


Certainly, I apologize for that error in the number of laps. Certainly, I'm glad that someone mentioned it. However, whether it's 1 lap, or 100 laps, it gives you no right to irritate people. Some of us (like me) take pride in not making contact for an entire race. I made more contact (by accident) in Race 2 than I wanted. So, I challenged myself. In Race 3, I got second place (by 0.164 seconds) without making any contact. My tires never left the racing surface. I take pride in that. I take pride in knowing that I followed every rule I had set. I take pride in knowing that I made up three (at least) positions without making contact.



Maybe, if you're ever in a GTPlanet series again, you would consider that too.


Anyways, thanks to Irish for reminding me just how much you did, in this series, that was unwarranted. You really honestly can't complain that we're not being fair. You're one driver. There are 24+ other drivers who all want to race in this series. We don't have room for aggressive driving. I want to be able to have all of the ToS calls made before Mondays, to give me Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday to update the points, race recaps, and the Driver's meetings thread. The best way, to be done the Stewarding calls, is to not have to make stewarding calls. If everyone's clean, and everyone runs the ideal race (little to no contact is okay, no jumped starts, no blocking...) then I can focus on writing up some of my race recaps, Drivers' Meetings and points. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, that racing is even more *picky* on a video game.
 
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We where mucking around at the start - I use the handbrake, it doesn't effect the race! And if it weren't for mrM's screw up of the laps I wouldnt have had to start at the fron and let everyone past, someone screwed up!

And

Jamie hasn't been in our team, he has been in cnd's team MAFIA motorsport...

And

F1 rules in a TC series? Leaving a 5m gap before retaking the line is a bit much!

Mucking about... that's what me and storm use the quick 1 lapper for. We do nothing more than Top Gear style nudges on formation laps. But what you did made us go, "if they're like that now..."

In the posts made by you guys, it seemed like he had arranged to be replacing you for that race.

True, F1 rules in a TC series seem illogical. But we don't have spotters, team radio, internet will cause lag. Besides, these rules were stated before this event and broken.

As for the gap before coming over, I'm not certain on how much to use, but when it's raining (causing spray) and in a braking zone, including the examples I chose, it's easier & safer to stay on the line you're on. Please note, I used 5m as an upper limit. you'd be lucky to get a moped in the gap you had left Seth
 
Yeah. I'd like to give a big shout-out to those drivers who bore with me through that first race, and stayed for Races 2 and 3. Especially Sakery, Seth, Damu and everyone who was bumped off of the track during the first race. Thanks for putting up with my foolishness, and my foolish ideas of giving JZR another chance.


As for Jamie-Racing, I won't remove him. I will only remove Birel/Diddy and fully and completely ban (never will he ever race with me again) Killer1midget/Racingzack.


Of course, because Jamie-Racing was removed from a series which Birel/Diddy are organizing, it could also be said that he's on a VERY thin line...


There are currently 22 drivers. Some might be removed still. That's a matter of continued attendance/not sending PMs/not being involved in the thread.
 
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Could we get a list of the drivers that got the boot? I'm losing track....
 
Birel349/Diddy49 = removed

Racingzack/Killer1midget = banned
 
MrMelancholy15
Birel349/Diddy49 = removed

Racingzack/Killer1midget = banned

Thank you! For some reason i thought 3 people got the boot... So we're now down to... 24 registerers?
 
Thank you! For some reason i thought 3 people got the boot... So we're now down to... 24 registerers?

The_Boyce was removed for poor attendance. 22 now.


The remaining drivers will be split into the two divisions. Drivers who have not yet raced with us, will be asked (if they have time) to run lap times, during the week, so that they can at least be classed with drivers who run similar lap times.


Drivers who can't run lap times during the week, will have to join Division 2.



Haha, I have made a pretty decent video to explain the JZR removal deal.



Here's how you can upload too!



Planned projects: the last two laps of Race 3; my incredible battle with LancerEvo7. I must admit, it looks like real touring car racing for those two laps.

Status: I have taken the video. I haven't invited anyone to do commentary. It will be soon. Obviously, I know who'd be willing to ramble on, so I know who I'm inviting.

Requirements: cnd, do you have a Skype for chatting? If yes, inbox/PM me.
 
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Firstly, a map of Suzuka:
Circuit_Suzuka.png


Please do proceed to tell me how there's no hairpin. In case you misinterpreted me, by first hairpin I meant first travel to the hairpin and I saw one of you guys in a green Civic fly by. Turns out it wasn't you, but diddy. Hence, why I asked which one it was.

Right JZR final race recap:

# Formation Lap:

- You spin at the start. Seriously, not on a corner, or even 50m travelled, you're spinning.

- Diddy proceeds to push you off the road, possibly to get you under control or make a point that you were meant to be at the back, I'm not sure.

- Out of Degner 2 Diddy goes off track. On a formation lap? Turns out nothing was learnt from the GVE race 3 formation lap.

# Racing Lap 1;

- Horrible start overall. The leader stepped on it when the grid started and not at the Suzuka Finish line (our arranged start). However, you get from 13th to 8th by turn one. The rules that had clearly been stated both in this thread and the driver meeting thread (that MrM put the links to twice yesterday), that there was to be no passing by turn one. Also, diddy was ahead of the guy in same grid pairing, when in theory he should be behind as I was slow to respond to the false start. He then overtakes another 2 by the first corner.

- End off turn 2, diddy pushes Lancer onto the grass. Again hadn't learnt a lesson from GVE (although the side swipe there was much worse). Your positions are now 5th & 6th.

- Between turns 6 & 7 diddy was making contact with you, and you ended up cutting grass. Your driving was fine, diddy however...

- At the end of the Dunlop you unnecessarily give Seth less than 1.2 cars width on track on the right hand side, when you're about to turn right. You probably would've overtaken him by staying on the racing line, but instead Seth cuts the corner enough to make the turn without spinning too much and stays on track.

- The hairpin, as previously mentioned: diddy went onto the grass resulting in him spinning, crashing into you and ending up in the gravel. Granted he may have been touched by Lancer, but again there wasn't any room given, so it's to be expected. You're pushed down to 6th whilst diddy plummets to 11th and doesn't get involved in any more incidents.

- Into Spoon we could say maybe you divebombed Lancer, but it was clean.

- Spoon up to and including the 130R: You had the pace on seth, you overtook him (again leaving less than 1.2 cars width), but then immediately went onto his line in a braking zone when you're not yet 5m ahead. Yes Seth hit you, but he's clearly slower than you, so he's clearly going to brake after you. Think M. Schumacher at Catalunya this year, you need to observe the different braking zone that your rival is going to take. You then use the run off at the 130R to keep ahead of Seth. Oh look, there's the run-off you wanted. Oh and the run-off was tarmac, so grip does what?

# Racing Lap 2;

- At the S bends you get past cnd fine, although he was slow. He later mentioned not wanting to be rammed. Into 2nd.

- 200R you dive down the inside of Sakery to overtake. By down the inside, I mean over the gravel where there's an extra unused chicane. All you needed to at the pace difference was to go round the outside.

- The chicane, you cut across the grass as Sakery gets the lead back. You didn't need to use the grass, and could've waited for an over and under. However, it's forgiveable as Sakery would've probably blocked your view.

# Racing Lap 3

- Pit straight into turn 1. Again, you had the pace on the straight to overtake the GT86 driver. But then you once again go in front of Sakery with little room in a braking zone. From here you lead and pull away from Sakery, so yeah clean race herein for you.

Now, as for probation:

GVE:
- More than enough for probation for diddy in race 2. Actually, more than enough for an immediate ban.
- More than enough for probation for you in race 3.

Tsukuba:
- Jamie ran double soft stint in race 2, fine nothing to get hot under the collar about (unless you finished only 2 seconds behind him).
- Diddy used multiple blocking moves along one straight in race 3, which again wasn't learned from GVE.
- Jamie divebombed more than once in race 3.

Hence, you were all on thin ice going into this race. Then you reached the land of the rising sun and decided to go sumo.

By the way, I'm not sure if you realised, but we are using some F1 rules. For example, not cutting a corner to gain / defend an advantage, or 1 blocking move per straight. Points made clear repetitively I believe.

As for the sprint races, we're in a championship which, in theory, you should not be able to win every race in. It's about gaining as many positions as possible. For example, someone could finish 5th every race and win the championship. You don't need to win every race.


I have highlighted the bits in bold that i am talking about....

Right, in race 2 i definitely ran two compounds, i started the race off on softs, then changed to mediums on my pitstop. I've watched the replay and this clearly shows this! :)

Also, i was quite far behind in race 3 as i spun, but when i did catch up i feel that i didnt do to much wrong? However, if you believe i did, i am sorry. Actually - the only one move that was dodgey was when i overtook the mini (johnnypenso) cleanly, but then ran wide into the side of CND, this was not intentional though, this was a genuine mistake!
 
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