W.M.A. International Touring Car Championship-Season Wrap-Up!

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How much horsepower should cars have?

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:drool: 1:27.8?

Still not bad.

Otherwise, I don't give much time for changing setups between quali and races. People have to stay on-track while qualifying, and last-minute setup changes could cost you the entire quali session.

Anyways, S2000 & RX-7 at 260 hp & 1140 kg now.

id be willing to bet that i could go quicker,

how much time approx would there be between qualy and race?
 
MrMelancholy15
Anyways, S2000 & RX-7 at 260 hp & 1140 kg now.

👍 I was a little disappointed with my 1:30's. This should help.
 
Both drivers are now also in Division 1. Everyone has added the ITCC_Division_1 account.

Three drivers have not yet accepted the Division 2 account.

We're ready for Saturday.
 
Mel, staying up late or up early?

Your talking about Norm right?
 
WOWOWOWO calm down guys :D

Well in Real-life Motorsports AWD and RWD got "penalties" compared to the FWD´s.
AWD´s weight > RWD weight > FWD weight

1100kg FWd => 1150kg RWD => 1175-1200kg AWD

But all tend to get the same Power (in RL).
So why do RL rules penalize the AWD´s ?? Correct because AWD seams to be better than both other drivtrains.
But in that list the MR layout is missing. MR is even superior to AWD if used and tuned correctly (Tire wear and lap-time).
So MR cars get more weight (1175-1200kg) and less power (-10-15bhp) to compensate the superb balance MR cars normally have.


===> In RL there are other things to limit the RWD´s etc for example: RWD´s don´t get a FC-Tranny
But in GT5 you can´t do that due to no control system.

=> RWD´s/AWD´s/MR´s should get a tad less power 10bhp less.

===> This should keep FWD//RWD//AWD//MR to a competitive level and here would be a better driver the difference maker.
But GT5 is different here too. Some cars have huge level of grip and have to loose even more power.


==========> What do we learn from this ??
a) Limit the amount of different Drivetrains
b) Limit the amount of Cars
c) Just move on and say: Everybody could Test all Cars on the list. And the one with the OP Car is the lucky one who discovered the Car.

d) Make individual Penalties/specs so you limit a faster Driver instead of a Car.
e) PP limit. But that is not so easy aswell and maybe cause even more OP cars.



I don´t want to interfere in your Way of doing it MrMel but above is just a collection of RL and GT5 (I watch many different series and have run many Cars in GT5 at different specs and pp ranges).

I have tested 14 Cars on your list and I even choose the EVO VII (not the VIII) and I couldn´t get near to some FF Times or RWD Times
=> Maybe my way of tuning the Car isn´t perfect.
 
Mel, staying up late or up early?

Your talking about Norm right?

Norm, JoeTruckV8 and TDZDave have all been accepted into Division 1 to start.

Also, Sakery, I'm not too worried about the performance yet. Success ballast will balance things out quickly.
 
👍 I was a little disappointed with my 1:30's. This should help.

with the 1.30s are you getting good tire wear, like could you do 11 laps before you need new ones???
 
276 bhp and 1150 kg on my Integra gives me 1:30.7 around Madrid. Maybe I could get another second out of somewhere, I don't know, but at the moment that's what I'm getting. It's like when I ran a test at Suzuka, 2:12.8... which is probably on the level of the other guys racing. I'ma put that down to the strengths and weaknesses of both driver AND car....

Relevence to the topic? More emphasis on my last sentence in the above.

The only exception to that AWD comment is an Audi R8, but that might be thanks to the mid-mounted engine and 57% weight distribution to the rear. That car seems to me like it can drop a bit of pace for A LOT of longetivity on the fronts if you're willing to do that. Thankfully it doesn't fit in at this series.
 
Anyways, I'm going to grab some sleep. Good morning and/or afternoon.
 
As I said I´m cool with the base of your specs because I tested almost all cars on the list.

And I´m aware that the Tire wear will kick in if he runs that Times at Madrid => 2 stopper for him => fast time but no win.

I´m not worried either, but you know RL does this and so ....
 
Well I may be running low 1:31's as my fastest times BUT I'm getting 10/11 laps out of my RS' ...
 
TDZdave
with the 1.30s are you getting good tire wear, like could you do 11 laps before you need new ones???

:) I set up my cars for endurance. But this series is totally different obviously.
 
Nah, S2000.

nice, i think its your line or something in your technique thats holding you up, th s2000 has to be one of the best handling cars on the game,

you should comfortably be in the 1.29s
 
Pretty sure it is. I've never really ran this course.
 
nice, i think its your line or something in your technique thats holding you up, th s2000 has to be one of the best handling cars on the game,

you should comfortably be in the 1.29s


its difficult but in time u will get it,

Mrm, i just downloaded motegi no problem
 

I reported you for jumping the start in race 2, and nothing was done. Quit complaining that my car can turn a bit better.
 
The 22B doesn't get that low in the weight for starters, and it's not an EVO @1100kg. The EVO's have AYC which basically negates what you just said- that being turn in isn't as good on 4wds. Seriously, who are you kidding? (Yourself?) They have the option to run whatever amount of power gets sent to the front wheels. If you know how to tune it, you can get just the right amount of power to pull you out of turns faster. This is why 4wd has been banned in almost all forms of major motorsport. The Scirocco has nothing to do with 4wd cars, why even bring it up? If you don't realize they have an advantage because of the 4wd, you must not be that serious about racing IMO.

I only ran one session with it, but I didn't see any AYC on the EVO I ran and tuned it with the Torque Split and LSD as usual.
There is no traction advantage in an AWD at this power level, with these tires, compared to RWD. There's no wheelspin in any RWD car and if there is, one needs only to adjust the LSD to tune it out. If there's no wheelspin, you can split the power front to back all you want and you gain nothing. If we were running harder compounds then yes I'd agree that was an advantage but not on RS tires. The FF's should also have very little wheelspin on these tires but it's also the nature of the beast.

:drool: 1:27.8?

Still not bad.

Otherwise, I don't give much time for changing setups between quali and races. People have to stay on-track while qualifying, and last-minute setup changes could cost you the entire quali session.

Anyways, S2000 & RX-7 at 260 hp & 1140 kg now.

No changes for the RX-8?

nice, i think its your line or something in your technique thats holding you up, th s2000 has to be one of the best handling cars on the game,

you should comfortably be in the 1.29s

It is a good handling car but it's underpowered and overweight. I ran it at Suzuka and although I had a couple of respectable finishes, but I couldn't keep up to the GT 86 even in the draft. It'll probably hold it's own in the right hands on the real race courses or where tire wear is a bigger factor, but it's probably going to struggle a bit on tighter circuits.

I reported you for jumping the start in race 2, and nothing was done. Quit complaining that my car can turn a bit better.

Yes, that start was ridiculous.
 
Just wanted to give a shout out to Jp and East Coast Motorsports for taking the time to help me out... Thanks :cheers:
 
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So what car/team you gonna be running Norm?
 
I will be giving it a go in the s2000, as far as a team the details are still being ironed out.
 
No changes for the RX-8?

It (S2000) is a good handling car but it's underpowered and overweight. I ran it at Suzuka and although I had a couple of respectable finishes, but I couldn't keep up to the GT 86 even in the draft. It'll probably hold it's own in the right hands on the real race courses or where tire wear is a bigger factor, but it's probably going to struggle a bit on tighter circuits.

Yes, that (Seth's) start was ridiculous.

Is anyone using the RX-8? I did think it should be given an extra 20 bhp, gave me 1 mins quickly at Tsukuba. Seems to make a huge power difference. But if no ones using it currently, it will make no difference changing the specs.

I know the S2000 has had a spec change to 260/1140 so that may change.

I think Seth did pull over to give some places back, but he kept ahead of me I believe. I forgot to save the replay though so I can't say for certain. He was ridiculously high up the grid ridiculously quickly. Although, Sakery was carving his way relatively well also (with me in tow until misjudging the Casio).

Either way that's what preseason is for. We can't afford any false starts at Madrid mind. Says the guy who had false starts at GVE & Tsukuba :sly:
 
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From my experience if you test alone in a lobby your faster than with others in it. (At least for me but sometimes my connection is so strong I can do even faster times, but that´s not always the case -_-) Espacially if the Lobby is filled with different Nations from different Time-zones.
(Could be my stupid connection though and it´s not the case :D)


So I´m not worried for Saturday I´ll do my best anyways so lets just focus on the damn races 👍
 
From my experience if you test alone in a lobby your faster than with others in it. (At least for me but sometimes my connection is so strong I can do even faster times, but that´s not always the case -_-) Espacially if the Lobby is filled with different Nations from different Time-zones.
(Could be my stupid connection though and it´s not the case :D)


So I´m not worried for Saturday I´ll do my best anyways so lets just focus on the damn races 👍

for those purposes, i think we should reset our internet, and clear the caches half hour before the race starts, just to keep any issues to a minimum,

also, seeing as motegi is having quite a triumphant return to the gran turismo series, i feel its best that we use the full length circuit, and possibly for an idea, make it the series final, and instead of having three races, have an enduro, like 30 laps or so, just an idea, i can handle hearing no lol,
 
Motegi is awesome ... better than I remember it ...
 
Well, it will be the final race in the series season 1. But, it'll be a normal make-up round on Motegi East.
 
What about Motegi in VLN? I mean we have Spa...
 
Seth, I'm sorry. It's out of my control. All I can do to solve this is ban the Evo VIII. I can't change Lancer's specs because of Johnny, just like I can't change Demolition Racing's specs because of you.

However, damu mentioned that his own car feels slower than some other cars. He's at 256 & 1150. I'll allow 260 & 1140.

S2000s can go up a bit in hp as well to 260 @ 1140.


Also, Team CrazyGuysRacing now has two drivers- agentorunge & T-n-T-2000. The Toyota 86GT and Scion FR-S slots are now full.

Welcome to the team agentorunge :)

Mr.M, did you get the 2 different pics of the car? 👍
 
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