W.M.A. International Touring Car Championship-Season Wrap-Up!

[TDZdave]

Sorry to pull out after the season started but I've had enough. It's just too disorganized, too lacking direction and firm leadership. The whining and crying from some drivers during a race session doesn't help either. I like the concept, I've enjoyed racing with some of you guys, especially Cnd, and if you get the bugs sorted out and run a second season I'll give it a look, but I just don't enjoy racing under these conditions.

Whether I'm winning or battling for 10th is not important to me. I enjoy well organized race events with cars I really enjoy driving and/or tuning. Talking about ballast the whole week, tuning for it, running the first race with it, then a rule change to drop it heading into the second race was the last straw for me but it's certainly just one straw of many.

Good luck to everyone else in the series. Anyone I've given any tuning help to is more than welcome to my continued assistance, time permitting.

mate this whole event was bs!!! im out, rules changing, rules not being followed, etc, an absolute shamble!!!! other then the organisation of the actual event, most of you race ok,

i have sent friend request over psn to those i would like to run with again,

 

[cnd01]

I am considering dropping out of this series. I am tired of the crap. I tested all week for no ballast then all of the sudden it goes into effect. I enjoyed race 3 thoroughly. Race two was pretty fun as well. I am going to start policing this series more strictly as a steward. The lack of knowledge of the rules, the confusion, and the arguments are a real turn-off. Hopefully the brain trust here can meet up and solve it.

 

[TDZdave]

I am considering dropping out of this series. I am tired of the crap. I tested all week for no ballast then all of the sudden it goes into effect. I enjoyed race 3 thoroughly. Race two was pretty fun as well. I am going to start policing this series more strictly as a steward. The lack of knowledge of the rules, the confusion, and the arguments are a real turn-off. Hopefully the brain trust here can meet up and solve it.

mate if it continues, there wont be a problem to sort, because everyone will leave,

 

[cnd01]

mate if it continues, there wont be a problem to sort, because everyone will leave,

That is why I want you to stay. The series was crumbling from the Suzuka round, I could feel it. All we need is a loyal base to lift the series back off of the ground. The success ballast was put in place at the wrong time. I still respect MrM and the other ToS. We will continue to try our best. We will have to come up with something. We will have to be firm and draw the rule boundaries with a thicker line. This series WILL be back next week, and it WILL be firing on all cylinders.

 

[polarbear345]

mate if it continues, there wont be a problem to sort, because everyone will leave,

You're right on. We lost more than 3 people. Those 3 just said they were leaving the series. I'm going to say not from a stewards perspective, but from a persons perspective, that we lost about 6 people today.

Jamie totally dive bombed me in race 3, no doubt ruined my chances at a win, or 2nd place. He left in the middle of the race.

This series doesn't need change, it needs to stay the same in ways. The change to no ballast in the middle of a round was absolutely asinine. Actually I'd say the addition of ballast in the middle of the season was crazy to begin with. People do need to learn to control themselves too. Don't say something that you KNOW will get someone mad. And accusing people of things is nuts too. Just tell a person in charge, they'll handle it.

And by stay the same, I dont mean keep changing things, I mean adding stability. Granted this weekends race was messed up because of Mel's incident (im not convinced his parents turned off the power, there was a gap between when he left, and logged out... Sorry, but it's true.)

 

[cnd01]

If MrM wouldn't mind, I would like to show everyone involved our new rulebook for this series. It is a little bit better. l would like everyone to click this link
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111241

 

[anirishnirvana]

i have sent friend request over psn to those i would like to run with again,

Even after that race 2 incident, I feel quite honoured.

Before, racing had started I felt like asking for closing down division 2, so that we could start maybe half an hour earlier to help the flow into Rolex.

However, now I reckon asking for the whole "series" to be put back into the testing phase would be more appropriate, hopefully to become a Phoenix that rises from the ashes. I mean, with how many competitors there are dropping out...

The things that I feel went wrong (-), with some suggestions (+):

- Using Madrid first, stuff was inevitably going to happen.

- There was nothing put in place for when a collision happened, especially after Madrid. Okay, my bad, shoot me down as you will for that race 2 incident. Though, I had been rammed into the barriers in race 1 by a certain someone .

+ I reckon red flag the race. Person who caused the accident to the rear + 10 second penalty & take into account pit lane length. Therefore, if a pit costs 25 seconds, then the people who have pitted should probably restart that far behind.

- Changing the rules about the success ballast after race 1 was, to be frank, a joke. Even more so with the decision being less than a full day before the race. My 1st proper braking zone without it was against where I had that incident (which I didn't help by having RM on at the time). We can find something to set up better if we want such a penalty.

- We restarted for others between 3-5 times, which I can tolerate to an extent. Yet with all of these "Formation Laps," not one was done efficiently. 60mph means either 60mph or 96kmh.

+ For those who insist on changing tyres after backing out. How about we do a 15 minute qualifying session. We then use the next 5 minutes free to allow people to finish their hotlaps (chequered flag scenario), and for those who want to change tyres, to go round once, pit in and change compounds.

- Seth's valid point about a pit strategy. I understand that the rules meant JP's strategy was fine, but most FF drivers will not be able to pull of that strategy.

+ I think maybe let the middle 50% of the race (formation lap doesn't count, hence racing laps 3-7) be a pit window. That way there's still a significant amount of strategy, but allows for FF's to join in the fun. Though what confuses me the most, was that Seth never seemed to mention it at GVE or Madrid (that I can remember), or that he didn't notice us going into the pits even.

- It was too rushed. This is the ultimate underlying problem. The races need to be rushed because of Rolex and other commitments, yes. But the weekly schedule may be too much. The race series was started even with questions flying left, right and centre.

+ Maybe consider doing the series fortnightly, alternating with Rolex, so that we kill two birds with one stone. It will also allow for issues to be resolved efficiently in the break period. It also allows for Saturdays to be free every other weekend for socialising

 

[cnd01]

Even after that race 2 incident, I feel quite honoured.

Before, racing had started I felt like asking for closing down division 2, so that we could start maybe half an hour earlier to help the flow into Rolex.

However, now I reckon asking for the whole "series" to be put back into the testing phase would be more appropriate, hopefully to become a Phoenix that rises from the ashes. I mean, with how many competitors there are dropping out...

The things that I feel went wrong (-), with some suggestions (+):

- Using Madrid first, stuff was inevitably going to happen.

- There was nothing put in place for when a collision happened, especially after Madrid. Okay, my bad, shoot me down as you will for that race 2 incident. Though, I had been rammed into the barriers in race 1 by a certain someone .

+ I reckon red flag the race. Person who caused the accident to the rear + 10 second penalty & take into account pit lane length. Therefore, if a pit costs 25 seconds, then the people who have pitted should probably restart that far behind.

- Changing the rules about the success ballast after race 1 was, to be frank, a joke. Even more so with the decision being less than a full day before the race. My 1st proper braking zone without it was against where I had that incident (which I didn't help by having RM on at the time). We can find something to set up better if we want such a penalty.

- We restarted for others between 3-5 times, which I can tolerate to an extent. Yet with all of these "Formation Laps," not one was done efficiently. 60mph means either 60mph or 96kmh.

+ For those who insist on changing tyres after backing out. How about we do a 15 minute qualifying session. We then use the next 5 minutes free to allow people to finish their hotlaps (chequered flag scenario), and for those who want to change tyres, to go round once, pit in and change compounds.

- Seth's valid point about a pit strategy. I understand that the rules meant JP's strategy was fine, but most FF drivers will not be able to pull of that strategy.

+ I think maybe let the middle 50% of the race (formation lap doesn't count, hence racing laps 3-7) be a pit window. That way there's still a significant amount of strategy, but allows for FF's to join in the fun. Though what confuses me the most, was that Seth never seemed to mention it at GVE or Madrid (that I can remember), or that he didn't notice us going into the pits even.

- It was too rushed. This is the ultimate underlying problem. The races need to be rushed because of Rolex and other commitments, yes. But the weekly schedule may be too much. The race series was started even with questions flying left, right and centre.

+ Maybe consider doing the series fortnightly, alternating with Rolex, so that we kill two birds with one stone. It will also allow for issues to be resolved efficiently in the break period. It also allows for Saturdays to be free every other weekend for socialising

I think every one of these points definitely need to be looked at. Everyone should know the rules going into the race. That was what the preseason was for. We need one set of rules which are the GTP OLRs now.

 

[polarbear345]

Mel, clear your Pm's...

Before someone says something they'll regret, Mel, could you voice your opinion on the rules being disregarded and just using the GTP OLR?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Guys, I'm sorry. I'll admit, that when my parents were uninstalling the stove-top range (the thing with the fan and the light above the oven) it was a stupid mistake on my part.


The family's busy with renovations. I'm sincerely sorry for that.




But, everyone who complained, or argued, or anything else should really understand, that it's not your place to argue DURING a round, that's already like 10 or 15 minutes behind schedule.


I'm sick of arguing. I'm going to be removing anyone who puts up an argument or a fight DURING the round, if it takes more than 5 minutes to explain. If you ask "Which race is this?" or something, sure, it's fine, but if you complain about something that we have been doing for 8 rounds now, during a round, and it takes like 10 minutes to fix the issue, you're ruining the fun.



As for the fortnightly thing, Damu has an idea there. I really regret it, but it's a possibility. Everything is too rushed. And, I don't see why you guys have so much trouble with the rules and such.



As for the GTPlanet OLRs, I have said hundreds of times, WE ARE USING THEM, and I added supplementary rules, to clarify on the parts specific to this series, that the GTPlanet OLRs are too vague and unspecific to cover. So, yes, we're using the GTP OLRs, and we'll continue to use them.



As for the racing today, some good clean racing was had today, and some genuine mistakes were made. If anyone PMs me with specific details, I'll still look into them, but I'm proud of most of you for your ON-TRACK conduct.


I'm removing the success ballast, because this ballast idea was a failure. I didn't like the changes. I thought, I might as well remove the success ballast as soon as possible, and that's why I asked you to remove it after Race 1.


Finally, I already admitted that Madrid as first race was a mistake.

 

[LancerEvo7]

A suggestion for you Mel, from one series director to another:

The first post needs to be much more organized. All the information should be laid out in the first post, not just links to a Google Docs document. Look around at other series, and get ideas on how to lay things out. If people can find all the rules, they're more likely to follow them.

And with that, I bid you all farewell.

 

[TDZdave]

Guys, I'm sorry. I'll admit, that when my parents were uninstalling the stove-top range (the thing with the fan and the light above the oven) it was a stupid mistake on my part.


The family's busy with renovations. I'm sincerely sorry for that.




But, everyone who complained, or argued, or anything else should really understand, that it's not your place to argue DURING a round, that's already like 10 or 15 minutes behind schedule.


I'm sick of arguing. I'm going to be removing anyone who puts up an argument or a fight DURING the round, if it takes more than 5 minutes to explain. If you ask "Which race is this?" or something, sure, it's fine, but if you complain about something that we have been doing for 8 rounds now, during a round, and it takes like 10 minutes to fix the issue, you're ruining the fun.



As for the fortnightly thing, Damu has an idea there. I really regret it, but it's a possibility. Everything is too rushed. And, I don't see why you guys have so much trouble with the rules and such.



As for the GTPlanet OLRs, I have said hundreds of times, WE ARE USING THEM, and I added supplementary rules, to clarify on the parts specific to this series, that the GTPlanet OLRs are too vague and unspecific to cover. So, yes, we're using the GTP OLRs, and we'll continue to use them.



As for the racing today, some good clean racing was had today, and some genuine mistakes were made. If anyone PMs me with specific details, I'll still look into them, but I'm proud of most of you for your ON-TRACK conduct.


I'm removing the success ballast, because this ballast idea was a failure. I didn't like the changes. I thought, I might as well remove the success ballast as soon as possible, and that's why I asked you to remove it after Race 1.


Finally, I already admitted that Madrid as first race was a mistake.

first of all i would like to apoligize to all who seen or were involved in my wrath earlier this morning, it was a childish out burst for which im sorry,

mate the series almost worked, dont get down on yourself for that, it more your trying to make the rules complex and difficult to police, random checks i was for, but push come shove your the series owner so all decisions were up to you, but making the success ballast rule couldve worked had it been tested pre season, not round 2, the thing that annoyed me was when everything was being questioned, even you were questioning your acions, then jp left because of it, plus all this talk of seth possibly winding up penalty free, thats not appropraite at all, your either in the right or wrong, no grey area, i will be checking cnd01s new rules link, if i like it you might see me next week, if not i will say whats wrong with it, if its here to stay then fine, but if its questionable then no,

Damu, everyone misses a braking point every now and then, and you waited when you couldve gone on and got a result, but i do believe the size of the incedent needed a safety car, we where both heavily penalised thru racing incedent, i got back to the lead that race to be taken out again, race 3, i was actually impressed and surprised by how clean and close you can run, in actual fact, apart from a few mishaps, everyone did extremely well considering the high speed nature and technical sides of the track,

my point is that there was 'mention' i believed to be a rule that if enough people called safety car, then the field would be arrested, and everyone got fed up and anxious over 3 to 4 restarts for race 2,

as for the concrete being a racing line, after race 1 and 2, im still dead against it, cnd01 give me a decent punch off the track when my braking caught him off guard allowing mel to get thru to take the win while cnd01 waited to give my position back, had the concrete not been allowed to race on he may have been able to utilize it and avoid incedent, and i do believe that i wasnt the only person to suffer from this,

norm, no need to be sorry mate, 2 into one happens, 3 into 1 occasionally happens, 5 into one something gotta give, we tried bud, unfortunately i was the one on the receiving end lmao, dont feel bad mate, in racing it happens lol,

BTW, to those who didnt get fried requests, dont feel bad, my psn list is full because of all the championships im involved in now,

and madrid wasnt a mistake, it was the wrong choice for the first race, personally i wouldve put the first 2-3 rounds as purpose built race tracks, just so people get to know there car better before it gets tight or twisty,

so yeah i will check the new rules/ changes, and if we can field a full grid i may come back,

im extremely sorry for my childish outbursts, and if i stay, the only time i will question a rule is if its changed in the middle of a round or i dont quite understand it or what its meant to accomplish, sorry guys

good racing tho,

 

[cnd01]

This series isn't over. I know we have crippled the foundation of the series, but I think this week will be the best round yet. Clubman Route 5 is almost an ideal track for this series. Let's not all bail out just yet.

 

[TDZdave]

This series isn't over. I know we have crippled the foundation of the series, but I think this week will be the best round yet. Clubman Route 5 is almost an ideal track for this series. Let's not all bail out just yet.

have the points been updated or results just binned?

 

[polarbear345]

have the points been updated or results just binned?

Good question.... Didn't we have like 4 race 2's?

Lol, but it is a really good question!

 

[cnd01]

have the points been updated or results just binned?

Nope not entirely. I hope that we can sift through the results. I have all of the replays saved.

 

[jamieracing]

You're right on. We lost more than 3 people. Those 3 just said they were leaving the series. I'm going to say not from a stewards perspective, but from a persons perspective, that we lost about 6 people today.

Jamie totally dive bombed me in race 3, no doubt ruined my chances at a win, or 2nd place. He left in the middle of the race.

This series doesn't need change, it needs to stay the same in ways. The change to no ballast in the middle of a round was absolutely asinine. Actually I'd say the addition of ballast in the middle of the season was crazy to begin with. People do need to learn to control themselves too. Don't say something that you KNOW will get someone mad. And accusing people of things is nuts too. Just tell a person in charge, they'll handle it.

And by stay the same, I dont mean keep changing things, I mean adding stability. Granted this weekends race was messed up because of Mel's incident (im not convinced his parents turned off the power, there was a gap between when he left, and logged out... Sorry, but it's true.)

I got disconnected from the server, and then couldnt sign back into ps3 network. I didnt just leave the room!

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Good question.... Didn't we have like 4 race 2's?

Lol, but it is a really good question!

I only saw three races. The points will count. I think everyone got a decent race but TDZ, but it's just because TDZ was always involved in the racing, battling with someone.



Anyways, I took the ballast off because no one wanted or liked it. No one seemed to like it, not even I did. There's no more success ballast. I said "Let's try it and see" and it didn't work, so I tried to minimize the damage.


As for the apology for Madrid being a mistake; I did mention that making Madrid the FIRST RACE was a mistake.

 

[KingSakery]

I don´t know why some people can´t read !!

@Seth: You are fast etc but all your whining is enough !!
Everything you need to know is in the rules etc (but I think JP made a good state to write it in the first post instead of useing links).
Two compound Race means use 2 different Tires => when you change is up to you.

Even a FWD car could use the Strategie of JP but it wouldn´t be successfull, but it´s possible.
There is nothing to be interpreted.

Race1 was superb although we had to wait quite allot for the correct lineup.

But the complaining has to stop after the race. I thought MrMel was annoyed and he left
=> I left too and went to sleep.

Did you do R2 and R3 afterwards ??

 

[TDZdave]

I don´t know why some people can´t read !!

@Seth: You are fast etc but all your whining is enough !!
Everything you need to know is in the rules etc (but I think JP made a good state to write it in the first post instead of useing links).
Two compound Race means use 2 different Tires => when you change is up to you.

Even a FWD car could use the Strategie of JP but it wouldn´t be successfull, but it´s possible.
There is nothing to be interpreted.

Race1 was superb although we had to wait quite allot for the correct lineup.

But the complaining has to stop after the race. I thought MrMel was annoyed and he left
=> I left too and went to sleep.

Did you do R2 and R3 afterwards ??

yes, race 2 was delayed because you said you were coming back, we got annoyed with waiting so we started, 4 restarts later we got it done, aswell as race 3,

 

[KingSakery]

Did I say I would come back ?? In my memory that is missing (sorry if I said it)

 

[NizmoDr3]

But why was Race 2 restarted 4 times? ...

 

[NizmoDr3]

Before, racing had started I felt like asking for closing down division 2, so that we could start maybe half an hour earlier to help the flow into Rolex.

However, now I reckon asking for the whole "series" to be put back into the testing phase would be more appropriate, hopefully to become a Phoenix that rises from the ashes. I mean, with how many competitors there are dropping out...

I honestly feel that this would be the best scenario at the moment ... lets try and take a couple of steps back and sort out these teething problems before we rush into any further problems ...

Lets use this current season as a testing ground for future seasons (If any) ... Drop the Official moniker and lets get back down to basics ...

Everyone who participates in this series should study the rules and regulations like you preparing for your final exams in varsity ...

The only reason I agree with Damu on holding the races on a fortnightly basis is because I mentioned it to him ... , at least that way there will not be any rush or screw ups ...

Just my 2 Zim dollars worth ...

 

[TDZdave]

But why was Race 2 restarted 4 times? ...

race 2, we were waiting for mel to come back, we didnt think he was, we asked joe if he was racing, no answer, so we continued, then just as everything was getting sorted joe noticed we were gearing up and asked us to back out, we did, restart #2, everything was getting organised flyinhawaiian joined the room, we backed out for him, restart #3, we were getting underway and mels name comes back as online, so once again we backed out and waited for him, restart #4 the race if thats what you call it happened

 

[NizmoDr3]

race 2, we were waiting for mel to come back, we didnt think he was, we asked joe if he was racing, no answer, so we continued, then just as everything was getting sorted joe noticed we were gearing up and asked us to back out, we did, restart #2, everything was getting organised flyinhawaiian joined the room, we backed out for him, restart #3, we were getting underway and mels name comes back as online, so once again we backed out and waited for him, restart #4 the race if thats what you call it happened

Oh I see ... interesting ...

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have left the series and won't be coming back, but I'm not leaving in anger. I enjoyed the racing for the most part, I liked the multiple car aspect of the series as well. I think the format has potential but work needs to be done from the organizational standpoint and in really defining the purpose of the series and sticking to it. Take it for what it's worth, but here's some of what I think needs to be done:

1. The purpose of the series needs to be clearly defined and adhered to. If you want to run a training/beginner series for example, which is kind of what I assume it was, and your goal therefore is not for the fastest car/driver combination to win but rather for close and even racing, then ballast penalties make perfect sense to achieve that. HP penalties are another option as well, and either one can work, but you need a method clearly laid out that's penalizing enough to bring the field closer together. I laid out such a method last week that will definitely work, others provided ideas as well. This should have been established before the season began so that it gives guys looking at the series an idea of what it's all about. As I said, ballast is fine for a series whose goal is to provide close and even racing, but I would not likely have entered the series if there were ballast penalties because it's not my cup of tea.

2. If you're following GTP Rules, follow them, they are perfectly good rules and work well, but you have to enforce all the rules, equally, all the time, not just when you feel like it. Looking at incidents and trying to determine the "intent" of the drivers is not possible, that's why the GTP Rules don't have intent as part of them. When there is an incident, 99% of the time the following driver is at fault, regardless of intent. Contact concessions should be made and if not, penalties should ensue regardless of how nice you think a driver is or how much he didn't mean to hit someone.

3. The OP and second post in the DM thread is a tremendous resource that is not being utilized effectively. Instead of wasting time posting videos of cars going around the track, effort should be put into updating the post with a track map showing where the gridding will take place,immediately after the Saturday race and any track specific rules. Ballast penalties for the following race should be posted here, along with penalties resulting from rulings by the ToS, updated of course as they come in. I believe the penalty process should be open and transparent and all incidents under review should be posted and the resulting decision posted along with it, even if no action is taken. Everything everyone needs to know for the next race should be posted here, as soon as possible, right after the previous week's race.

4. The start procedure definitely needs work. I have PM'd Mel with a foolproof start procedure upon request last week, but it was not used. The starts, the numerous restarts, the waiting, the disorganization, are extremely frustrating and annoying. Vague directions about where to go aren't good enough, it's easy enough to copy and paste a track map and highlight in red or blue or whatever colour, where you want everyone to gather for gridding. Restarting because someone was in the loo or not paying attention or they just signed in is ridiculous. If you're there you race, if not too bad. See below.

5. There needs to be a very tight agenda for each race date, taking into account the length of each race. It should look something like this and be adhered to religiously, regardless of whether Mike or Steve is in the loo, or Sally has to go talk to her little brother or Bobby can't connect to the room. If you are ready, you get to race, if you're not, you're out of luck, no waiting:

4:30 15 minutes of Q begins (forget the free practice, that takes place before the event)
4:45 Announcement made that Q is over, pull to the side of the track immediately so Mel can record the start order. You leave the track you start at the back. 5 minute break.
4:50 Race countdown begins and the official start procedure, already posted and everyone is familiar with, also begins.
As soon as the grid is ordered, proceed to the S/F line and the race begins.

At this point, if you have a solid start procedure and a calculator it's not hard to figure out how long the race will take within a minute or two so you can estimate what time it will end and finish the rest of the agenda.

5:10 Approx end of race followed by 5 minute break (5 minutes to line up the grid, 13 minutes racing and 2 minutes buffer)
5:15 Race 2 countdown begins after break and start procedure ensues
5:35 Race 2 ends, 10 minute break
5:45 Race 3 countdown begins and start procedure ensues.

As soon as Race 3 ends, track will be changed to Track X (following weeks' track) for free practice.

It can be done this way and it can work but it takes commitment and organization. You could have longer breaks in between races, but even increasing both breaks to 15 minutes to allow everyone a chance to reconnect or whatever, still puts the racing over with just after 6 pm. This event should take no more than a little over 1.5 hours.

6. No more whining and crying about anything in the race lobby. Period. End of discussion. Got an issue, take it to PM. In every series I've been in, discussing incidents beyond an apology, or the rules is strictly prohibited. The lobby is supposed to be a fun place for racing not sorting out your lack of proper parenting issue concerning how to behave in a public forum. You're supposed to be enjoying seeing your preparation or lack thereof come to fruition, not listening to spoiled little children complain about everything under the sun when they aren't winning.

Obviously if you see an error of some kind that needs correcting you can point it out. Kibbitzing is fine, gamesmanship, joking around etc. But no whining, no complaining, no balling like a little girl because you aren't getting your way or you're getting the pants beat off of you by a better driver. Didn't realize you could change your tires on lap 1? Too bad, go cry to your Mommy. If you start whining and you're told to stop, by anyone not just Mel, and don't, penalties ensue. Keep it up and you can find another place to race. You have an 166.5 other hours in the week to discuss your issues with other drivers or the ToS, have some respect for the other drivers by taking advantage of it.

7. You can solicit input about a specific track, but you should do so well before the race. You could have an open window, say any time up until Sunday midnight, where anyone can provide their input into the DM thread about any track specific issues they want to see for the following week. This would include for example, my suggestion to use the concrete before the tunnel. The issue is discussed until the deadline, the stewards decide, then it's done and the decisions are posted in the 2nd post in the DM thread, end of story. No more discussion. In my opinion, the ToS needs to make their decision based on many factors, primarily what makes for good racing balanced with maintaining the integrity of the track layout. Popularity should be a factor but not the overwhelming factor. Cutting the chicanes at Monza for example makes for less incidents but in my opinion so guts the character of the track it should not be allowed. Once the decision is made, it's done, no more discussion.

There is more, but you get the picture. I hope you take this input in the constructive spirit it's intended. I do believe the series has potential and I hope you can work the bugs out. Good luck.

 

[Johnnypenso]

For the record, this is the basic gridding procedure I suggested last week, courtesy of SagarisGTB. Takes less than 5 minutes. Worked flawlessly:

Race Procedure
After qualifying has been completed, the race director will reset the track. The race director will then call drivers to enter the pits When all cars are in the pits, the race director will start the race. Once the race starts, all drivers must hold the brakes and wait to be called. Drivers will be called in qualifying order to create the grid; once called, drivers will proceed around the track to the gridding area (red). Drivers will line-up two wide, stop and wait for the race to start. Once all drivers have lined up, the race director will give the start signal: “START”. At this point, the pole sitting driver will slowly drive (maximum 60 mph / 100 km/h) and lead the field to start the race. At the Start/Finish line the leading driver may go full speed; however, overtaking is prohibited until the start line (start of lap 2). Purposefully slowing to hold up drivers behind you before the start is strictly prohibited.

Before the race start, the race director will refer to drivers using abbreviations that consist of the first three alphabetical letters in their PSN.

In this spot would be a track schematic clearly showing the gridding area marked in a bright colour like so:

 

[TDZdave]

thats how i believe/ thought thats how things worked here, good work jp,

 

[NizmoDr3]

Good work JP

 

[freshseth83]

First, i'm not whining when I ask if pitting for softs is ok after the 1st flying lap. With some pit boxes being before the start/finish line that would technically be not completing a lap on medium tires. How would that be for fairness? There's no 'whining'. I'm not a 12 year old pre-teen just trying to win. I haven't even won. I'm still here though aren't I? But guys who won are talking about leaving? This was an open discussion about the rules and races but voicing your concerns is now complaining huh? Lots of others are talking about their feelings as well, they're just complaining huh?