What is your most dreaded course?

[ExplodeTheApex]

I know this is, well, a different opinion, but I actually really like London! In the Clio RS '11 it's epic, especially turns 2-3 and 4-5. Anyway, tracks I despise. Certain versions of the Cape Ring. Some are quite good, others are trash. Ascari is alright, Madrid is the death of me. No interesting elevation changes, no cambered corners, just awful. However, I do love Monaco! Although I am an avid F1 fan...

 

[TimBoss302]

I love Green Hell. Why does everyone hate it? It's the hardest race track ever. What did you expect?!

I think most people that are complaining don't like the GP version, but love the old school course.

Me? I usually can find a car I like to drive on any course, and the car makes the difference to me. If I am not enjoying a particular car on a course, it is because I am trying to force a car around it that is not ideal for the course. If you get the right car, it makes a course enjoyable. I don't like city races for the most part (Seattle is my exception, and Hong Kong) but most city courses are more fun with the smaller lighter car where you are not pummeling a course with power, but driving it with finesse. Same for Matterhorn. A 71 Mach 1 or a Superbird will make you hate that course. A tuned Miata, BRZ, S2000, etc, will let you enjoy it more IMO.

Most of what makes the GT series so much fun to me is finding the right car, tuning it right, and enjoying a lap done smoothly and feeling that feedback that says you are working out the car as it was intended (and not using it as a battering ram). Forza is more arcade, race hard and slam into things, and I can enjoy that too. But I feel that the GT series does make me work a bit harder to find the right combinations to make the experience more...personal? Exquisite? I will pick up my controller for Forza and do a race here and there as I have a minute or 15. GT5 and 6 I have a chair, a wheel and pedal set, and I am much more immersed in the experience of tuning a car to find the right balance to control it more smoothly and pass without touching the other cars. Doing races over and over to find the right places in the track to pass without touching and win the race.

As far as the OP, I like the differences in most of the tracks. If I dislike SS5, it is because I miss the much longer SS11. If I am grumpy driving London, it is because I want Paris, Hong Kong and Seattle.

Speaking of, I would gladly pay 20 bucks more a game if they had two disks and we could load in another 10-20 tracks. Not 10 versions of one track, but 20 plus tracks that are not added now and have multiple versions of each if needed. add another 10 bucks or more and add a big realistic rally section. One of the things Forza does so much better is many sections of rally races, done as TT's like real rally racing. GT4 had some decent rally courses, but Forza takes it to a much higher level. I want to see PD get serious about rally stages.

 

[TimBoss302]

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Do you guys actually like driving? Do any of you like the oval? The fact that it's difficult means you have something to learn there. So go to it.

The experience of personal improvement is the only thing this game has to give - well apart from the inevitable challenge of how to give a civic 1455 hp - which some people seem to find interesting.

Driving a track with a glued car, either by tires or tuning, hides the track's secrets. Driving it in a Lotus with no TC and SS tires lets every bump, rise, bad-camber etc. show itself. If you learn a track in a car which lets the track 'shine through' (doesn't have to be a Lotus) you will understand why you span out there, or why you had to slow down so much to make that corner. Another thing is that as your glued car loses its tires, it will become more like the Lotus - so watch out!

Driving with ASM/SRF/AS, well they hide the track....that's about the nicest thing I can say.
ABS doesn't really hide the track. Just hides a bit of the car ;-)

What I meant to say, only much more succinctly.

 

[TimBoss302]

Silverstone - I don't like flat featureless tracks built on the site of old airfields.

This may be why I don't miss the TG track. The more elevation changes, off camber corners the better.

 

[TimBoss302]

The Nurburgring gets my vote...in all the racing games I have played, this track has given me nightmares.....I prefer Circuit de la Sarthe and Spa as they can be conquered if you are patient, but have never had that feeling at the Nurburgring....

Was it GT4 where you had to basically learn one section of the 'Ring at a time for licence tests? They made it so if you golded all the licences you absolutely had to learn how to drive the 'Ring. And now, it is still a huge challenge, but probably the most enjoyable race there is IMO.

 

[TimBoss302]

Yes!!!!!!! Completely worthless.

If you don't like Monaco it's because your not an F1 fan. Sure it's not fast but it has my respect... and I've been there for real while on a cruise vacation. We drove the route backwards in sightseeing bus and iI was jumping up and down for joy. The others on the bus just didn't understand why I was freaking out.

Wish Homestead Miami was in since that's the only track I've driven in real life.

You need to get Forza 4 then. I think there are two Florida tracks in there. I have the PS3 for GT5 and GT6, and the xBox for the Forza games. I race. I don't do first person shooter, or anything else really. Just race. There are plus and minuses to both, but it you love to race, I don't know why anyone would not have both.

And I apologize for the multiple posts. Not sure how to do a 'multi-quote'.

 

[JMII]

You need to get Forza 4 then. I think there are two Florida tracks in there. I have the PS3 for GT5 and GT6, and the xBox for the Forza games. I race. I don't do first person shooter, or anything else really. Just race. There are plus and minuses to both, but it you love to race, I don't know why anyone would not have both.

I've considered that option because I too only play race games and some platformers. I'd bet they have Sebring, it's pretty much world famous as most drivers use it as a LeMans tuning session. My brother has tracked his 'Vette there and it's well known as a rough and difficult track. The IRL guys use it for shake downs and driver tests too because the weather here in Florida means you can drive all winter.

Recently Matterhorn is starting to annoy me, the crazy elevation changes upset the balance so much that cars I enjoy driving just feel uncontrollable there.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

For me, it's Monza.
Not because its a difficult course to drive, it's because you can lose a massive amount of time if you make any slight mistakes. you have to be very consistent otherwise you'll be left behind, far behind.

 

[av2290]

In order of dislike:
1- motegi. its bland.
2- daytona road course.
3- any of the imaginary tracks' "reverse" version.

 

[LJ12]

Tokyo by far! Although Madrid comes close.

 

[ploopsy]

Cape Ring, I just hate it...
Eiger Nordwand, no use for this track now that we have Matterhorn...
Tsukuba, its just so boring...
Motegi, i dont know what PD sees in this track...
Cote dAzur, so many turns in 1st or 2nd gear and overtaking without thumping something is almost impossible...
SSR7, you can probably guess why I dont like this one...
Tracks in Reverse, They are never as fun as the original direction and they are kind of annoying...

 

[Fender_st]

I just can't take any corner of it without mumbling how much I hate it.

the same happens to me driving at Madrid

 

[TimBoss302]

I pulled my PS2 out of the dustbin and found one tv that still has the hookups I need to run it, and played some GT4 and GT3 today. I liked the Rome version on 3, but don't think it was really that much of an improvement. I did race SS11 several times and I do miss that track. I will be going back to race the ice and rally courses as I did enjoy those before, and see how I feel about them after running the Forza rally stages.

 

[J-KiLLA24]

I's surprised no one said fuji yet...

 

[DNW]

Circuit de Francorchamps (whatever its called). Most of its good, but that very last chicane... urgh. You need to be going about 30mph to go around it, when the rest of the track is pretty fast. Also the pits are almost impossible to access.

From memory that pit lane entry came about in 2006... or maybe 2007. And on the weekend pretty much every F1 driver who was asked about what they thought of it said it was just absurd and potentially dangerous. I think the solution was to paint some arrows or something on the wall to give the drivers some perspective of where it was as they came in.

That said, Spa is probably my favourite track, but particularly with high downforce Formula style racing. The X2014 Jr around there is crazy fun, knocking tenths off each lap as you figure out more and more just hard you can push that little thing around. I did a 10 lap arcade race there last night in the X2014 Jr... up against whatever "professional" level cars it decided to put against me. They absolutely destroyed me in a straight line (and there are of course some big stretches at Spa), but through the corners the shoe was on the other foot. Was fun trying to hunt down the lead, but crazy frustrating to take a spot in sector 2 only to see the car come back past down the long stretch into the final chicane or down the Kimmel straight. In my frenzied attempt to catch the leaders I was setting times two seconds quicker than what I'd previously been able to do there. Two seconds! Obviously that previous fastest hadn't been that great, but it was hard to concentrate on racing while laughing to myself like a maniac. About the last chicane though... fiddly and frustrating yes, but it's one of the few big overtaking spots on the circuit. At least if we're talking fairly even cars and drivers. All the high speed stuff in sector 2 is great fun, but unless someone makes a mistake, you're basically kinda stuck following until the chicane.

I also love Monaco, but again for high downforce lunacy. Although, more as just a time trial type thing, as can easily become frustrating if you're trying to race while being clean and fair. Driving anything without that kind of power and grip though, I find Monaco fairly tedious.

My most dreaded circuit at the moment is probably that little GT Arena or whatever it's called. The fiddly little kart track. Seems like every single corner on that track is saying, "Yeah, keep coming. Keep your foot in it... come on... aww what a shame, you've gone straight past the corner again." 🤬

 

[Brutaka]

The Willow Springs Tracks. Big Willow isn't that bad but i purposely avoid Streets of Willow, mainly because i suck at them.

 

[Sarkazmo]

What I really don't understand about some people is the dislike of reverse courses. This baffles me beyond all. What is wrong with reverse courses? It's like an entirely new course with new challenges, a new driving line, and another, different way to get to race! Why is this an issue? Enlighten me.

Sark

 

[J24681357]

Wow...



Such....



Sad...



Reading....

Do you guys actually like driving? Do any of you like the oval? The fact that it's difficult means you have something to learn there. So go to it.

The experience of personal improvement is the only thing this game has to give - well apart from the inevitable challenge of how to give a civic 1455 hp - which some people seem to find interesting.

Driving a track with a glued car, either by tires or tuning, hides the track's secrets. Driving it in a Lotus with no TC and SS tires lets every bump, rise, bad-camber etc. show itself. If you learn a track in a car which lets the track 'shine through' (doesn't have to be a Lotus) you will understand why you span out there, or why you had to slow down so much to make that corner. Another thing is that as your glued car loses its tires, it will become more like the Lotus - so watch out!

Driving with ASM/SRF/AS, well they hide the track....that's about the nicest thing I can say.
ABS doesn't really hide the track. Just hides a bit of the car ;-)

You deserve a cookie

 

[DNW]

Tilke's tracks are nothing but a long string of sophomoric tricks thrown at you with zero rhythm or flow. They're not "challenging"; they're just annoying.

I feel the need to defend Tilke somewhat. For one, he (or his company) are also responsible for some great tracks like Sepang and Istanbul Park. And I think they were involved with CotA as well. Actually, Buddh too. Plenty of flow in Buddh's design. Yes there are also the fairly rubbish ones like Korea, and everyone hates him for "butchering" the old circuits. But they work within FIA guidelines and with the terrain they're given. He didn't just rock up at Hockenheim of his own accord and announce, "Heads up everyone, some big changes are comin'." The long straights ending with hairpins are to create big braking zones and promote overtaking. The huge run off areas everywhere are required by the FIA for safety. If the piece of land is dead flat, unless someone wants to add dramatically reshaping the terrain to the bill, it'll be a fairly flat circuit. F1 fans complain about Tilke tracks and all the stop-start business, wanting more of the high speed cornering like at Spa. But with the way F1 is now (and has been for a while), what do you get at places like Spa and Suzuka? Basically cars sliding around in the dirty air from the car in front, trying to hold on close enough to make a move in the next... *ding ding* huge braking zone. The problem isn't Tilke. The problem is the Formula, in which teams spend hundreds of millions developing cars that are great at qualifying in clean air but rubbish at actually racing each other. Again really... FIA.

But really... what is Monza? Take away its history and the whacky Ferrari fans, and it's basically a series of huge straights with a few little corners and mildly annoying chicanes in between. Apart from Ascari and Parabolica, there's nothing really all that great about it.

All that said... I don't particularly like the Nurburgring GP circuit. The only corners I might describe as being interesting are interesting in the way that it makes me glad the G27 can take a solid beating. Mostly though, I find it fairly boring.

 

[DNW]

What I really don't understand about some people is the dislike of reverse courses. This baffles me beyond all. What is wrong with reverse courses? It's like an entirely new course with new challenges, a new driving line, and another, different way to get to race! Why is this an issue? Enlighten me.

Sark

My problem with reverse courses, and more with alternate layouts on real circuits, is more down to my own stupidity, inattention, impatience, or most likely all three combined.

Sweet... Silverstone. I know Silverstone (*ahem* current GP layout) like the back of my hand. Rolling start... hold on, this isn't turn 1. What the...? Ok, I at least know where I am, just keep going. Maggots and B... cones?! CONES?! Where are we even... THIS ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS SIGNING UP FOR! 🤬

Mind you, I had the same thing when they changed Silverstone a couple of years ago... I think changed a couple of corners and moved the start/finish line and pit lane. I was as lost as if they'd torn it all out and built a whole new circuit.

So there's not really anything wrong with it as such IMO, I'm just an idiot.

 

[Suzumiya]

Cape Ring and any of the smaller Nürburgring circuits...uuuuuugghhhhh.

 

[SirAlanClive]

You deserve a cookie

buurrrpp!

Thanks

 

[The_Rpg_Moogle]

You need to get Forza 4 then. I think there are two Florida tracks in there. I have the PS3 for GT5 and GT6, and the xBox for the Forza games. I race. I don't do first person shooter, or anything else really. Just race. There are plus and minuses to both, but it you love to race, I don't know why anyone would not have both.

And I apologize for the multiple posts. Not sure how to do a 'multi-quote'.

I think you mean Shift 2 as I've played both but can't recall it being in Forza 4. It was awesome in the former though!

Also, you can press multiple reply buttons and the quotes will show up after another in the typing window.

 

[Chris___75]

I pulled my PS2 out of the dustbin and found one tv that still has the hookups I need to run it, and played some GT4 and GT3 today. I liked the Rome version on 3, but don't think it was really that much of an improvement. I did race SS11 several times and I do miss that track. I will be going back to race the ice and rally courses as I did enjoy those before, and see how I feel about them after running the Forza rally stages.

Blast from the past.

 

[TimBoss302]

I think you mean Shift 2 as I've played both but can't recall it being in Forza 4. It was awesome in the former though!

Also, you can press multiple reply buttons and the quotes will show up after another in the typing window.

I have a copy of Shift 2 and one of the Need For Speeds that came with the last PS3 I bought, but have never played them. There is two Florida courses in Forza 4.

 

[Conquerer]

Tsukuba - just too small and boring with long tight corners; can't believe they made us race 13 hours on this track between 2 endurance races in GT5...
Rome - too boring, basically all straights, not enough corners
Madrid - just uninteresting, probably too many tight corners but IDK what else, I've just never liked it at all

 

[nismo n13]

dont mind the cape ring inside, but any other variation blows.

 

[Dutchyfutch]

Hate ascari cause of super license with the Bugatti , stupid track ugh

 

[hondalicious]

pretty much hate the street tracks like rome and madrid

 

[croozer_63]

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The only corners I might describe as being interesting are interesting in the way that it makes me glad the G27 can take a solid beating. Mostly though, I find it fairly boring.[/quote] Yours too, huh?


On the subject of hated tracks, as one contributor has said, ANYTHING with those god awful carts. The little circuit tracks especially