What's everyones problem with ABS?

  • Thread starter Thread starter GT55YW
  • 119 comments
  • 10,659 views
Messages
166
Messages
GT55YW
I fail to understand why so many people hate ABS. I understand maybe not caring for it under certain circumstances in real life, but what's the big deal towards racing with street cars on GT5? I know IRL doesn't allow it, but I fail to understand how a machine and sensors assisting in braking are cheating, for noobs, or make someone a poor racer.

Now TCS stops wheel spin (strangely, the lower the setting it only applies at lower RPMs, which does not match any TCS systems I have experienced), but that slows down how fast we can accelerate. So if I have it on, then I lose time because I can only accelerate as fast as it allows.

I don't use any systems but ABS at 1, and I am curious on other people's opinions. I haven't golded most of my events, just silvers. I have done maybe 1 endurance race myself, but I still think I perform average to above average as a driver. At least in real life I perform exceptionally for an individual w/o any formal training, and it bothers me that so many people complain about ABS when chances are 9/10 that they themselves have ABS on their vehicle.

I just think it's rubbish. It's difficult to even get a standard now, at least in states, let alone a vehicle without ABS.
 
It's not cheating. I like ABS in my street car so ABS in this game works too. The thing is with this game though, is that unlike a real car my foot gets no feedback, so it has no idea how to fine tune the pedal pressure. So I usually have it on between 1 and 3.
 
I always have it at 1. It's my understanding that it allows you to brake later and more efficiently. Some players would prefer drivers to drive with 0 ABS as your brakes lock up making the racing more realistic.

Having abs on (excluding 1) doesn't make the player a cheater. However it does show they are a newbie because they obviously need the extra support, when in a race online, I don't mind people using abs as it's their own choice.
 
It doesnt allow to brake more efficiently, it simply give the ability to smash the brake with no modulation.

This and the fact that its too good compared to real life ABS.

But I still use it, and have no problem with it.
 
GT55YW
I fail to understand why so many people hate ABS[...]
The reason for all the hate is that the ABS in-game has no bearing with real world ABS systems. It doesn't behave at all like them; it's too much efficient, allowing users to threshold-brake into corners with no effort or side effect at all just by slamming all the way down the brake pedal, and also somehow acting as a stability control effective during braking, affecting people's perception of suspension tuning settings (to some extent this is also what RL ABS systems do, but not to the extent of what can be seen in GT5).

By disabling it (and setting the correct brake bias, something that isn't very practical to do with the current - idiotic - 10-level brake strength system), aside focusing on not locking the brakes, users are forced to apply more realistic driving techniques when approaching corners.
 
Last edited:
I must admit I use ABS (set to 1) most of the time, but only because I'm lazy. It does seem overly effective (not an expert on such systems though) and I personally find the driving much more fun and challenging without using ABS. I can understand why for so many people it's the only driving aid they use though, especially pad users. Don't have anything against people using/not using it.
 
The reason for all the hate is that the ABS in-game has no bearing with real world ABS systems. It doesn't behave at all like them; it's too much efficient, allowing users to threshold-brake into corners with no effort or side effect at all just by slamming all the way down the brake pedal, and also somehow acting as a stability control effective during braking, affecting people's perception of suspension tuning settings (to some extent this is also what RL ABS systems do, but not to the extent of what can be seen in GT5).

By disabling it (and setting the correct brake bias, something that isn't very practical to do with the current - idiotic - 10-level brake strength system), aside focusing on not locking the brakes, users are forced to apply more realistic driving techniques when approaching corners.

Except even my G27's brake pedal offers zero feedback, from top to bottom it's the same as far as pressure required to depress it. At least with a hydraulic system in a car just the increasing pressure as your foot goes to the floor is something that tells you when you're about to apply too much pressure, and then when you've gone too far it pulsates as the ABS does it's thing.

These are advantages in a regular car that you can't get from a video game. Concessions have to be made due to the complete lack of feel.
 
I didn't know people had a problem with ABS. From the very start, ABS:1 was widely accepted among drivers. What's changed? :confused:

It's sad that people have to hate on people who use different settings, like it's keeping them awake at night.
 
Having abs on (excluding 1) doesn't make the player a cheater. However it does show they are a newbie because they obviously need the extra support, when in a race online, I don't mind people using abs as it's their own choice.
So although i've finished every single (apart from GT1) GT game to 100%+ (102% in GT2) and played them more than any other game series in history, i'm still a newbie because i use ABS on 1.

I see. :odd:

I think i just got sick of it in Forza when i had ABS off, where the brakes locked way too easily and i kept understeering.

Maybe one day i'll turn ABS off to have a go at it, since i've Platinumed the game now.
 
Last edited:
Except even my G27's brake pedal offers zero feedback, from top to bottom it's the same as far as pressure required to depress it.
I don't find hard modulating braking with either my DFGT wheel or Dualshock controller. Instead on relying on pressure, I rely on displacement. It isn't that hard, if you consider that tires in GT5 (or in general, in racing sims) make much more noise than in real life (helping users telling when they're about to lock) and that we get an on-screen brake pressure bar, telling exactly how much brake is applied on the controller/pedal.

The red brake pressure bar especially is very useful in helping correlating controller displacement with actual braking strenght. With some practice you won't even have to look at it anymore. Have you ever tried to take advantage of it?
 
ABS in game does not performn like in real life.
Infact I wouldn't call what is in the game as ABS. You can't slam 100% brake pressure with ABS in real life and get away with it... ABS 0 is more realistic for real cars with ABS than ABS 1, ABS 0 just has more lock up than in real life.

The fluctuation caused by the ABS would totally disrupt the car when cornering, even modern ABS affect the car and you would never cause the ABS to active in real life on a track if driving correctly.
 
I don't find hard modulating braking with either my DFGT wheel or Dualshock controller. Instead on relying on pressure, I rely on displacement. It isn't that hard, if you consider that tires in GT5 (or in general, in racing sims) make much more noise than in real life (helping users telling when they're about to lock) and that we get an on-screen brake pressure bar, telling exactly how much brake is applied on the controller/pedal.

The red brake pressure bar especially is very useful in helping correlating controller displacement with actual braking strenght. With some practice you won't even have to look at it anymore. Have you ever tried to take advantage of it?

Nope, and I'm not going to either. When I drive my real car on a track I don't look down away from the track when I'm in a braking zone, and I'm not going to in a video game either.
 
today I was on a free run room and the host decided to disable ABS so we could race the way it is irl.

There were exactly 16 players, and the minute he put that 12 left. One of those gave a massive speech saying that, "according to gtplanet", abs 0 is unrealistic (roflmao). I tried explaining him that it's the other way around, as shirakawa and dadn explained on this thread, and that he should play with brake bias (while it isn't perfect it kind of works). He left between 10 seconds after that reply.

Nope, and I'm not going to either. When I drive my real car on a track I don't look down away from the track when I'm in a braking zone, and I'm not going to in a video game either.

what is more realistic to you: to have brakes that are impossible to lock up, or looking down for 1/100 of a second IF you need to watch the brake pressure bar.

I'll repeat the same thing I said to that guy: braking with abs1 in gt5 means missing a huge part of racing.
 
Last edited:
I didn't know people had a problem with ABS. From the very start, ABS:1 was widely accepted among drivers. What's changed? :confused:

It's sad that people have to hate on people who use different settings, like it's keeping them awake at night.

Word.
 
what is more realistic to you: to have brakes that are impossible to lock up, or looking down for 1/100 of a second IF you need to watch brake pressure bar.

I'll repeat the same thing I said to that guy: braking with abs1 in gt5 means missing a huge part of racing.

If I want a realistic driving experience I'll go hop in my car and drive it around the block. This is a video game, whose realism is hampered entirely by the fact that I'm playing it through my television. Since this is software that I purchased entirely for my enjoyment, I'll configure it to run in a way that I enjoy most with no concern for what anybody on the internet thinks is right or wrong.

I simply find that braking without the "seat of your pants" feel granted by a real car is more frustrating than it's worth.
 
It's just an advice since I think it is rewarding learning how to brake properly, even though it might be frustrating. That especially applies to proper sims and not in gt5.

The same goes for every other assist available on the game, or using the hud for that matter.
 
Last edited:
In my opinion, its simply a case of pride amongst drivers. People like to be able to say that they set ABS at zero.
 
It's just an advice since I think that it is rewarding to nail braking even though it might be frustrating. That especially applies to proper sims and not in gt5.

The same goes for every other assist available on the game, or using the hud for that matter.

Yeah fair enough... I guess I don't play GT5 for that though. If I want to spend hours practicing a track and tuning a setup and getting all those little details down perfectly I'll go play iRacing. I play GT5 to watch pretty scenery whiz by real fast.
 
It's not cheating. I like ABS in my street car so ABS in this game works too. The thing is with this game though, is that unlike a real car my foot gets no feedback, so it has no idea how to fine tune the pedal pressure. So I usually have it on between 1 and 3.

Except even my G27's brake pedal offers zero feedback, from top to bottom it's the same as far as pressure required to depress it. At least with a hydraulic system in a car just the increasing pressure as your foot goes to the floor is something that tells you when you're about to apply too much pressure, and then when you've gone too far it pulsates as the ABS does it's thing.

These are advantages in a regular car that you can't get from a video game. Concessions have to be made due to the complete lack of feel.

You say that (above), and then say this:

Nope, and I'm not going to either. When I drive my real car on a track I don't look down away from the track when I'm in a braking zone, and I'm not going to in a video game either.

If I want a realistic driving experience I'll go hop in my car and drive it around the block. This is a video game, whose realism is hampered entirely by the fact that I'm playing it through my television. Since this is software that I purchased entirely for my enjoyment, I'll configure it to run in a way that I enjoy most with no concern for what anybody on the internet thinks is right or wrong.

I simply find that braking without the "seat of your pants" feel granted by a real car is more frustrating than it's worth.

Sounds completely contradictory to me.

EDIT: Missed your last post. Well, if that makes you happy....
 
First of all, I have no problem with people who use ABS or any other driving option for that matter.

I've been playing without ABS for some months now. It was very challenging in the beginning and it still is quite demanding because of the lack of feedback on my brake pedal.

For me ABS:0 makes the game much more interesting, and on the rare occasion I turn it on it just feels like I'm pressing the "Easy Mode" button.
 
You say that (above), and then say this:





Sounds completely contradictory to me.

EDIT: Missed your last post. Well, if that makes you happy....

I don't understand how anything I said was contradictory when excluding my last post.
 
Yeah fair enough... I guess I don't play GT5 for that though. If I want to spend hours practicing a track and tuning a setup and getting all those little details down perfectly I'll go play iRacing. I play GT5 to watch pretty scenery whiz by real fast.

I play gt5 for the same reason you do, but I need to turn all assists off to have fun or it feels like I'm not playing it.

in the end it comes to personal preference. I'm only saying that ABS in gt5 is probably the biggest assist of the game, therefore if you don't turn it off then you are missing a huge part of the game.
 
I don't understand how anything I said was contradictory when excluding my last post.

Maybe I over-analyzed.

Well you were talking above as if you were trying to get your settings as close to reality as possible (getting ABS settings etc. as close to your real life car) meanwhile claiming that concessions had to be made.

Then when someone suggested another concession, you said it was only a videogame and if you wanted to drive realistically, you'd get in your car.

If that's the case then it doesn't really matter if your ABS is on 1 or 10, or if TCS, Driving Line, ASM etc. are activated as well, no?
 
First of all, I have no problem with people who use ABS or any other driving option for that matter.

I've been playing without ABS for some months now. It was very challenging in the beginning and it still is quite demanding because of the lack of feedback on my brake pedal.

For me ABS:0 makes the game much more interesting, and on the rare occasion I turn it on it just feels like I'm pressing the "Easy Mode" button.

👍 Can't agree more.
I run a hardcore realistic league, which we run cars as they would in real life however ABS1 In GT5 makes the game way to easy. Braking is seriously a joke with ABS1 on, It feels like there is another assist hidden keeping the cars extra stable. Guys who run the car with ABS1 on for the fact of that specific car has it, I feel you. I was like this also, but at the same time I knew that braking was to easy. Got great info on GTP about ABS off and now GT5 is a whole lot better.
 
I've never noticed a difference in levels at all, I've tried with 1, 5, and 10, and the only one that really makes a difference is 0, the others just all feel the same to me, I guess its just my driving style?:confused:
 
Maybe I over-analyzed.

Well you were talking above as if you were trying to get your settings as close to reality as possible (getting ABS settings etc. as close to your real life car) meanwhile claiming that concessions had to be made.

Then when someone suggested another concession, you said it was only a videogame and if you wanted to drive realistically, you'd get in your car.

If that's the case then it doesn't really matter if your ABS is on 1 or 10, or if TCS, Driving Line, ASM etc. are activated as well, no?

Ah gotcha.... I do enjoy some cars more with the other stability controls on (like the Formula GT, I also have TC set at 1 for the 787B to take the edge off). But not very many. In my real car I prefer to switch off the traction and stability controls because aside from ABS I'm not a fan of electronics cutting in on me.

I didn't buy this game looking for a super realistic experience, just a fun one. I actually only bought the game to help memorize the layout of the Nurburgring since I'm going to Germany next summer on vacation when I'll get the chance to drive it. I don't care if it's a realistic car simulator or not as long as it's more accurate than Need for Speed.
 
Back