Where does Gran Turismo Sport stand in the order of racing titles? (on realism and difficulty).

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Crazy Taylor, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. Scaff

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    :lol:
     
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    It's cute, now @bil coz is stalking my YouTube comments with his insults, oblivious to the fact that as its my channel I can simply delete them.

    How about you address the points raised here first, as then I some more questions to ask?
     
  3. bil coz

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    You're all so insecure about skills
    I never made it about that or bragged cause I don't care about that.

    THE PROBLEM IS GIVING YOUR OPINION AND POSING AS AN EXPERT WHEN YOUR EXPERIMENT PROCESS IS FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED.

    go drive a '81 911 on comfort softs on the ring with TCS off then come tell us about the physics.

    turning off TCS on higher grip and on lower grip tyres is noob logic.

    Jesus and yet another one who doesn't get it.

    Who cares what assists he uses as long as he doesn't pose as an expert cause he got 20 years blah blah so his opinion is worth something and he can make lists of which games have better physics.

    I have nothing against people who aren't very skilled and everybody enjoying their game the way they want.

    I have a problem with those who clearly should realize their judgement is worth zero, but instead make super serious claims.
     
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    No, that would be you projecting, I've not mentioned skill level at all, you, on the other hand, have consistently. You also forgot to tag me in the post again.

    Is your keyboard broken?

    I don't do request, particulrly for those who try and bomb my channel with abuse and noise, which is now a futile act on your part (see if you can work out why I don't even need to delete them and you are now shouting in the wind).

    Quite the opposite.

    The GT-86 has Traction Control in reality, so using it on the car is actually very representative of reality, the Corvette is a GTE class car and doesn't have Traction Control in reality, so not using it in the car is actually very representative of reality.

    So when driving them in a comparison with reality its actually utterly sound logic to do so (which you will also remember is what I said right back, in the beginning, was my rationale behind using driver aids).

    By the way, bypassing the swear filter, not using basic grammar are all AUP violations, so don't get upset that you've been reported again (and the repeated double posting will not help your cause either).
     
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    just look at yourself in the eye in the mirror, and say you can really feel what a racing game is about with traction control on.
    "He doesn't always use it" meaning, he takes it off when high grip combo.. which is backwards. ffs he tested the rain physics with TCS on.
     
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    Bypassing that swear filter again, oops.

    Have you ever actually driven a GT-86 in the rain? I mean in reality, not in a game?

    I ask because if you had, and actually pushed it, you would know exactly how backwards your own argument is (not to mention that again you are oblivious to the fact that the Corvette C7 is a GTE car - which doesn't have traction control), its more than possible to get the rear of a GT86 to still step out even with TC switched on, and even more so in the wet.

    So if in your mind the TC in GTS makes it impossible to get the back out or reach the limit of traction in the GT86 in the wet, well then something is wrong with GTS's physics engine. Oops, see what you did, you just rubbished GTS's physics engine with your own logic!
     
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  7. bil coz

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    I never said your skills invalidate your opinions.
    What invalidates your opinions is the conditions in which you experiment.

    You are still completely wrong about TCS, if they're racing a street 86 of course the fast racers will want to turn it off, but if they're racing a RedBull on SuperSofts it might make sense to then to use some TCS.

    I wrote the important part in caps cause it seems your lot has trouble with reading comprehension so I thought let's make it easier.

    You're behaving like a manchild and you're not owning me.
    I know you must be under a lot of stress because you're aware of your limitations and you know that these people have no reason to be sucking up to you and you're scared ****less to lose face in front of them.
    Chill.

    recap of my points.

    You are not a very good driver and it is perfectly fine.

    It certainly does not disqualify you from having an opinion on things if you actually test them like they need to be tested, which you don't.

    You are confused about TCS. yes they have it on street cars for those rich people who are just interested in looking good in their nice car, but those who take it to the track would want to disable it 100% and be 100% right. On the other hand with extremely high levels of grip it makes sense to have some TCS on even if you are Ayrton Senna.
     
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    Actually you did, repeatedly, that's why you were told to stop playing the man. You also seem to forget that I can quite easily post up the youtube abuse here if I wish!

    Was I racing? No (not that it matters - I will come back to this)

    Was I doing a comparison of a GT-86 in two titles with reality? Yes

    Does the GT86 have TCS in reality? Yes

    Do real-world drivers take advantage of late activation TCS systems when racing if they can? Yes, they certainly do.


    Ahh back to playing the man (or in this case men, or people).

    OK, let's get a few (real world) basics in place. Traction Control is not a magic wand or hand of God. Its an active driver safety system that exists in many, many different forms and (much like ABS) is in reality far better at doing its job that the vast majority of drivers (including professional racing drivers). Your claim that Traction Control makes it impossible to test the limits of a car is utter nonsense, it will help you, but it will not stop you getting to the limit or even over the limit.

    I've driven AMG E45 and C65's at Mercedes Benz worlds handling circuit both with and without TCS and its utterly possible to get them sideways with TCS on, I've driven numerous GT86's on the road and track in a variety of weather conditions (I came very close to buying one) and the TCS system in the car is a late intervention system, combine that with the narrow (and low grip as OEM fit tyres) and you have a car that will most certainly break traction at the limit even with TCS switched on (and if you don't believe me, GT86 and BRZ forums are full of owners who have experienced the exact same).

    As such testing cars that come equipped with TC in reality, in a title is utterly sound logic, as you most certainly can still test the limits of the car (or you should be able to) and you can also test how well the physics engine is actually modelling the TCS system as well (and guess which one, in a head to head with PC2 does this best - you will not like the answer).

    :lol:

    I'm not the one stalking someone's youtube comments or throwing insults and abuse about.


    How gracious of you.

    Oh dear, you still don't get it, do you?

    How many wet track days have you actually been to? If you go to one and it pouring down, damn right you leave TC switched on, as binning your own car doesn't get fixed with a quick restart!


    The original NSX had TC and was neither that powerful or had that much grip, was Senna wrong?

    And TCS is only for rich people, nope not at all.
     
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    I thought you deleted it now you gonna post it here?
    I never made it about skills, these were just side observations that y'all can't take your attention off from.

    Stop insisting that I'm playing the man when you've all tried to make it sound like I was the worst piece of *** bragging about my skills which I never did and which I would never, partly because there's nothing to brag out, partly cause I'm not a child.

    do you go to the wet track day to then give your opinion on the physics of this universe?

    if that makes you feel better post the YouTube stuff here, I know you dying for mom to see them. I mean do it or stop mentioning it cause what good is it in the discussion, unless you really want to play the man?

    I'm really sorry about the consecutive messages but it's really hard to do the multiquote whatever on my phone
     
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  11. Scaff

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    So not having an answer sends you straight back to personal digs (but yes vehicle physics and dynamics do get discussed quite a bit at track days).

    I may be a retired member of staff, but the AUP hasn't changed and you are seriously risking your membership here, so how about you actually address the points I've raised.

    If GTS is the sim you claim it to be, then why are you under the impression that it's not possible to reach a car's limit of traction if you have TCS switched on in GTS? In reality you most certainly can, so why (in your view) doesn't GTS recreate this.
     
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    Don't worry, there were a lot of people like you over the years who challenged his knowledge, they all failed because he understands physics very well and never gave me a reason to doubt his knowledge.
     
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    Please God, let there be a Season 2!
     
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    Report the comments on Youtube. Youtube will likely strike him as harassment.
    https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802268
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    Good gosh.

    Scaff, you have the patient’s of a saint.

    It’s always a pleasure reading your thoughts on different sims. I learn a lot from it. Plus you do this community a great service by being unbiased in your opinions and thoughts.
    I also really like how you deal with asshats (did not bypass filter :sly:)

    :gtpflag:strong
     
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    A pedant here but it seems for your video thumbail, the text is swapped between both screenshots.
     
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    I don't want to to take part to any kind of polemic in this thread but i have a question .
    I don't have any experience with real cars physics , just a good notion of basic physic like anybody who went to school and i was also mechanic in the french navy when a very young adult. That's all but that is also enough to find very strange the traction control behaviors in gts.
    I understand that TC act directly on the longitudinal grip , avoiding the wheel to spin in a fraction of second. Ok.
    But why in gts , traction control have the same effect in case of lost of lateral grip ??? When you loose the rear accelerating out corner for example , stopping the torque on your wheels ???
    Is is the case in real life ? Or does the TC only control longitudinal grip on real cars ??
     
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    From what you are saying I think you're confusing TC (traction control) with ESC (electronic Stability control)

    TC (tries) to avoid wheelspin in starts or exiting corners, meanwhile ESC manage the torque of lateral grip if I remember correctly
     
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    But i've never used esc. What i describe is happening with any car in gts with TC only setted at 2 or above.
     
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    Dynamic friction is lower than static friction, so once the wheel is spinning, you only have dynamic friction, and lateral grip is reduced. When TC prevents the wheelspin, it prevents that change to dynamic friction, retaining lateral grip.
     
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    Interesting video:

     
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