Where is Praianos page?

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Here are two channels that consistently provide excellent and fast tunes without you, the viewer, having to pay them a single dime. If you still think it's worth paying extra for tunes that aren't nearly as quick or well-adapted to the physics model... well there's not really much to say is there?


Fossil tunes are half-decent (some of them are quite good), but "AMS Dood" has awful tunes. His understanding of tuning isn't terrible, but his application leaves much to be desired. For example, he often sets the stabilization bars to 10/10 because he's not entirely sure how to effectively tune them. Nice guy, but not someone I would hit up for tunes. That's my .02 anyway.
 
If thats true, then wow.


Jerome
All true, I feel sorry for those who donated and then had another paywall to access tunes. The man has had thousands of dollars sent his way(I even donated) through GTP(even before the donation begging and Patreon) and lied to the community.
 
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Edit: forgot to add the original begging for $4000 to buy a new sim rig was that his equipment had broken, turns out the rig was fine and he needed a new rig to have a “better feel of the physics”, moderators stepped in and found out the requested equipment was actually $2000.

This is complete rubbish. Bears no semblance to reality.

If thats true, then wow.


Jerome

It aint true. Its made up.

Here's the actual situation.

Praiano is an older guy who makes pizzas to be able to pay the bills and to try to help his son through his studies.
He leads a simple life, almost totally devoid of material possessions.
He lives in a tiny little shack, sleeps in a hammock.
His hobby is Gran Turismo. He has invested many years and thousands of hours into making tunes and developed a follower base here on GT Planet, around his GT tuning garage threads.

For many years, his tunes were done on what most of us would not even call a "rig". It was a G29 in front of an old, discarded cinema seat. And from memory, the G29 was over 4 years old and was malfunctioning already before PS5 was released. Eventually it either died or became unusable, so Praiano stopped making tunes.

People on this forum decided to crowd-fund a solution; to enable him to upgrade his G29 to a direct drive wheel, and to purchase a PS5 - upgrades that he could not afford to make.

We raised the funds and he bought the equipment.

People suggested raising more funds to buy an actual cockpit to mount it to, but Praiano was insistent that this wasn't necessary.

I am unaware of a single donor who asked for a refund of their donation because the target had been overshot. Almost everyone just wanted Praiano to enjoy the donations as a small compensation for his contributions to the community over a decade.

His supporters on GTPlanet encouraged him to add a donation button to his thread, and then he found a way to monetise his skill - using Patreon - and to recoup some payment for the 40+ hours he invests each week into developing new tunes.

I can't quite get over the mean spirit and resentment of some in this thread who feel entitled to benefit from Praiano's tireless work, for FREE, FOREVER. Thankfully, it's only a few bad eggs. Praiano has thousands of fans who appreciate him, his kind nature and his fantastic work.

His tunes are reliable, consistent, easy to apply (much easier than using videos) and his advice and commentary on each vehicle is also a great value add.

Best $5 I spend each month - and honestly I don't have much spare ca$h. But supporting Praiano is something I'm happy to do. His tunes have given me so much driving enjoyment over the last 6-7 years.

Thanks again Praiano.
 
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This is complete rubbish. Bears no semblance to reality.
It did happen, Moderators had to step in
It aint true. Its made up.
Nope see above
Here's the actual situation.

Praiano is an older guy who makes pizzas to be able to pay the bills and to try to help his son through his studies.
He leads a simple life, almost totally devoid of material possessions.
He lives in a tiny little shack, sleeps in a hammock.
His hobby is Gran Turismo. He has invested many years and thousands of hours into making tunes and developed a follower base here on GT Planet, around his GT tuning garage threads.

For many years, his tunes were done on what most of us would not even call a "rig". It was a G29 in front of a cinema seat. And from memory, the G29 was over 4 years old and was malfunctioning already before PS5 was released. Eventually it either died or became unusable, so Praiano stopped making tunes.

People on this forum decided to crowd-fund a solution; to enable him to upgrade his G29 to a direct drive wheel, and to purchase a PS5 - upgrades that he could not afford to make.

We raised the funds and he bought the equipment.

People suggested raising more funds to buy an actual cockpit to mount it to, but Praiano was insistent that this wasn't necessary.

I am unaware of a single donor who asked for a refund of their donation because the target had been overshot. Almost everyone just wanted Praiano to enjoy the donations as a small compensation for his contributions to the community over a decade.

His supporters on GTPlanet encouraged him to add a donation button to his thread, and then he found a way to monetise his skill - using Patreon - and to recoup some payment for the 40+ hours he invests each week into developing new tunes.

I can't quite get over the mean spirit and resentment of some in this thread who feel entitled to benefit from Praiano's tireless work, fort FREE, FOREVER. Thankfully, it's only a few bad eggs. Praiano has thousands of fans who appreciate him, his kind nature and his fantastic work.

His tunes are reliable, consistent, easy to apply (much easier than using videos) and his advice and commentary on each vehicle is also a great value add.

Best $5 I spend each month - and honestly I don't have much spare ca$h. But supporting Praiano is something I'm happy to do. His tunes have given me so much driving enjoyment over the last 6-7 years.
Nice story but you fell for the con, The rig didn't break, he wanted a new rig. the G29 worked fine as he still managed to make tunes throughout the crowd funding process.
Again a Fool and their money are easily departed.
 
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It did happen, Moderators had to step in

Garbage. Provide evidence for your claim.

I remember clearly what happened; moderators initially removed the donation button post while they checked into the situation to make sure it wasn't some scam. That lasted a day or two. Then the post was reinstated and moerators were fine with it being there. The thread and donation button stood like that for years. Until this week. I have no idea why it disappeared. And neither do you.

Provide evidence for your claims or be quiet.

You just sound like you're a resentful, mean spirited, envious little so-and-so - because he has 9800 followers on Patreon and you have only 23. :lol: So you're chucking dirt at the guy who has achieved what you wish you could achieve.
 
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Garbage. Provide evidence for your claim.
I would but the threads been deleted now because of the con it is.
I remember clearly what happened; moderators initially removed the donation button post while they checked into the situation to make sure it wasn't some scam. That lasted a day or two. Then the post was reinstated and moerators were fine with it being there. The thread and donation button stood like that for years. Until this week. I have no idea why it disappeared. And neither do you.
the donation button was removed because he was asked for $4,000 and when it was found to be $2,000 it was reinstated, you've just proved my point
Provide evidence for your claims or be quiet.
you don't get to tell me what to do
You just sound like you're a resentful, mean spirited, envious little so-and-so - because he has 9800 followers on Patreon and you have 23.
Ahh distraction technique, it has nothing to do with followers. in this entire discussion have I tried to move people over to my tunes? no
 
I would but the threads been deleted now because of the con it is.

the donation button was removed because he was asked for $4,000 and when it was found to be $2,000 it was reinstated, you've just proved my point

you don't get to tell me what to do

Ahh distraction technique, it has nothing to do with followers. in this entire discussion have I tried to move people over to my tunes? no
Again a Fool and their money are easily departed.
:lol:

In the UK. Presumably English is your first language.

And you communicate at this level? Wow.
 
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I don't think the guy using poo emojis and spreading unevidenced slander about others, is really in a position to be accusing others of "insults".

Put up or shut up.

You claim there was some egregious "con" going on in a thread that has existed for years. yet you never bothered to post in the thread about what the "con" was and draw attention to it. You had years to do that, but you never did.

Yet now, after the thread has disappeared - and while you have set up a competing Patreon garage to make money - you invent slanderous accusations about Praiano - and claim the evidence lies in the deleted thread that you can't access. How convenient! :lol:
 
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I don't think the guy using poo emojis and spreading unevidenced slander about others, is really in a position to be accusing others of "insults".

Put up or shut up.

You claim there was some egregious "con" going on in a thread that has existed for years. yet you never bothered to post in the thread about what the "con" was and draw attention to it. You had years to do that, but you never did.

Yet now, after the thread has disappeared - and while you have set up a competing Patreon garage to make money - you invent slanderous accusations about Praiano - and claim the evidence lies in the deleted thread that you can't access. How convenient! :lol:
answer this, why was it deleted
 
what about the facts!?!!?!?!
Unlike you, I don't state things as fact - unless I have evidence.

I know what happened in the past with the crowdfunding efforts.

I do not know what happened to the thread. I could guess that maybe GTPlanet removed it because it was driving traffic to another site. But that is just a guess.
 
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I don't think the guy using poo emojis and spreading unevidenced slander about others, is really in a position to be accusing others of "insults".

Put up or shut up.

You claim there was some egregious "con" going on in a thread that has existed for years. yet you never bothered to post in the thread about what the "con" was and draw attention to it. You had years to do that, but you never did.

Yet now, after the thread has disappeared - and while you have set up a competing Patreon garage to make money - you invent slanderous accusations about Praiano - and claim the evidence lies in the deleted thread that you can't access. How convenient! :lol:
And where is your evidence?
 
And where is your evidence?
Of what?

The onus is not on me to provide evidence that there wasn't a con.

People have made allegations of a "con". The onus is on them to provide evidence to back that assertion.

the donation button was removed because he was asked for $4,000 and when it was found to be $2,000 it was reinstated, you've just proved my point
The fact that the donation post was reinstated after a 24 hour investigation, and left to continue for another few years, is pretty strong evidence that the moderators didn't see any "con".

If the moderators really saw a "con" - why would they have reinstated the donation button? Why would they let the thread continue?

Use your brain.
 
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Praiano is an older guy who makes pizzas to be able to pay the bills and to try to help his son through his studies.
He leads a simple life, almost totally devoid of material possessions.
He lives in a tiny little shack, sleeps in a hammock.
What?

He makes over $100k a year as a part time side gig playing video games. He isn't the selfless saint you paint.
 
He's been making money from his skill for a little over 14 months.
The previous 9 years he did it for FREE.
He works 50, 60, 70 hours some weeks - on making tunes for his Patreon members.
That's work. And he deserves every penny he generates.
God knows what makes you lot think you're so entitled to his work for FREE, FOREVER, or why you resent him making money from his talent.
Says a lot more about you than it does about Praiano.
 
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The fact that the donation post was reinstated after a 24 hour investigation, and left to continue for another few years, is pretty strong evidence that the moderators didn't see any "con".
Uhh the con was for double the money of what the equipment actually cost, then proceeded to not provide free tunes(despite the donations being there so he could continue to provide them free) and then put them behind a paywall. Please use your brain
 
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That's a made up story. He never asked for double the money. In fact, he never asked for anything!

He told the garage thread the cost of the PS5 in Brasil + the cost of the direct drive wheel in Brasil. People in the thread started crowd funding the upgrade. I think there was also talk of upgrading his TV from the ancient old dinosaur that he was using. Those were the costs that the crowd funding aimed to raise and I think a bit more was raised - and the prevailing sentiment from everyone who had donated was that he should keep the extra to pay for any future maintenance and kit upgrades. No-one wanted him to return funds. No-one called it a "con".

You're the first person I've ever heard calling it a "con".

Rather weird that you never called out the "con" in the years the thread was visible.

Can you explain why you never called it out?

From where I'm sitting it looks like you are just sour that you have only 23 subscribers and he has 9800 subscribers.
 
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He's been making money from his skill for a little over 14 months.
The previous 9 years he did it for FREE.
He works 50, 60, 70 hours some weeks - on making tunes for his Patreon members.
That's work. And he deserves every penny he generates.
God knows what makes you lot think you're so entitled to his work for FREE, FOREVER, or why you resent him making money from his talent.
Says a lot more about you than it does about Praiano.
I'm not entitled to anything. I've never used his tunes, or anyone elses. I setup race cars myself. In real life. I've helped a lot of other people on here for free, as do many others every day. Moreover, I owe you nothing. I don't need to defend myself to you. And Praiano doesn't need you to defend him. You are doing him no favours with this line of discussion.

That I pointed out a fact and now you are attacking me is very illustrative of your goals here. You have made this thread into a personal attack on anyone who posts in here.

On a video game forum. Crazy.
 
Rather weird that you never called out the "con" in the years the thread was visible.

Can you explain why you never called it out?
I did, I reported it at the time hence why the moderators stepped in and why I know what I’ve said isn’t a made up story as you claim.
From where I'm sitting it looks like you are just sour that you have only 23 subscribers and he has 9800 subscribers.
Making things up as a distraction again I see.
 
23 subscribers.

Not made up.
If you had a brain you’d look at my Patreon and see how inactive it is, because I don’t care about it, I don’t care about clicks, subs and views. I don’t care that he has more subs than me. I make more money doing other things with my life.

You’re using this point because you not smart enough to have rational discussion with.
 
I did, I reported it at the time hence why the moderators stepped in
ok. If you reported something then I’m sure a moderator will be able to clear everything up.

I don’t remember the exact amounts or currency conversion or import taxes involved.

I know that there was no con.
I know that people willingly donated toward and over the upgrade rig target, and continued to do so long after he’d bought the kit.
All very strong evidence that the community valued his work and wanted to support him over and beyond the upgrade cost of his rig.

You characterise this as a “con”

I don’t.
 
I'm not entitled to anything. I've never used his tunes, or anyone elses. I setup race cars myself. In real life. I've helped a lot of other people on here for free, as do many others every day. Moreover, I owe you nothing. I don't need to defend myself to you. And Praiano doesn't need you to defend him. You are doing him no favours with this line of discussion.

That I pointed out a fact and now you are attacking me is very illustrative of your goals here. You have made this thread into a personal attack on anyone who posts in here.

On a video game forum. Crazy.
Um... I think you haven't read the whole thread properly... 🤔
Halfway down the first page, it's “Garage...” who calls Praiano a crook... and clearly, he created this thread solely for that purpose... which left those who posted at the beginning speechless (and, I think, skeptical...) 🤔

Personally, I am among those who made a donation...
I had actually suggested it to Praiano a few years ago so that he could replace his steering wheel with a TGT...... but he thought it would be too complicated to set up... ...
so I was delighted later on to repay what I owed him...namely: the ability to play Gtourismo properly since GT6...it would have been impossible for me to tune my cars myself...

and no, I never thought I was being scammed...

I wanted to wait before subscribing so that his garage would be completely modified after a new update that had changed the physics of the game...
but in the meantime, I started modifying the settings myself since I was already changing Praiano's settings, which didn't always suit me...
And since then, I've been doing it on my own and I'm still improving... It's very interesting...

The fact that he's making money now doesn't bother me, no one is forced to subscribe... Only GTP could have complained at one point, because he was using this forum for advertising...

I just think about those who are starting out and don't have the opportunity to tune their cars for free like before...
 
Um... I think you haven't read the whole thread properly... 🤔
Halfway down the first page, it's “Garage...” who calls Praiano a crook... and clearly, he created this thread solely for that purpose...
yeah I didn’t create the thread, maybe you have to read the whole thread properly
 
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Perhaps its better to continue this discussion in a more private way? Perhaps a moderator can advise you on how to do it?
 
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