Where is the customization?

[Knukel]

GT5/6's basic custom parts with small imagination would be enough to match a regular road car with cup cars or rally cars of N or R class (?)... Or make your personal time attack, drift or show car.
Don't mind if they are just cosmetic. Some parts in GT6 were just minor changes but greatly decreased top speed, like A110 or Beetle without bumpers.

 

[FastFurious77]

This is Gran Turismo SPORT.

This is not either of those games, it isn't even a regular Gran Turismo, its Gran Turismo SPORT.

As opposed to what, being behind and one step ahead or being ahead and one step behind?

Have Forza or Need for Speed had a version heavily based on homologated racing? I must have missed that!

No. Just no.

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Look at all the underbody lighting in motorsport. Oh, no, wait. The opposite of that.

GTA is, arguably, a 1st/3rd person lifestyle simulator. GTS is a largely homologated class-based motorsport simulator.

You want to be able to rob banks, kill pedestrians, and steal helicopters, planes and tanks?

You're really struggling with the concept of homologated, aren't you?
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This isn't GT6.

You mean like the body, hood/bonnet, mirrors, aero, wing and wheels? Thats a brilliant idea!

Cutting the sarcasm for a second, racing trucks in GT would be the dogs danglies! That is one thing I'm insanely jealous of Forza for!

Okay, normal service is being resumed...

Nothing says racing quite like a Halfords ram-raided chav chariot.
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Hey now just hold on a minute. Firstly. Do not try to belittle me by making me sound stupid. Making sarcastic remarks and taking my statements completely out of context and stretching them to the extent of stupidity and making fun of my statements. I was expecting majority of mentioned features for the next GT game. I don't expect them in GT Sport, neither do i want them. But i do expect them to do it well in the next GT game. So now go calm down, take a chill pill, learn to stop reacting negative to others. Eat some humble pie.

 

[doubleg213]

DJShades, I'm not looking for an argument here and you appear to be looking for one, I'm not getting dragged in beyond this post. If that's not your intention, my apologies but that's how your posts are coming across.

I just really popped in because of your points about homlogation and the references to what is and isn't allowed in rallying in reply to ghostrider.

I think you're right in terms of what they seem to be intending within the game, although all any of us can do is guess to the motivations / plans of PD.

Homologation really only applies at the top level and in some historic series, running in the WRC or the regional FIA championships the car has to be a car which is still within it's homologation period and built to the homologated spec. Depending on the period there are also areas of the car which are deemed to be free i.e. stuff like instrumentation controls etc. have mostly been allowed to be modified freely this changes from time to time. Often things like wheels aren't homologated as such, but a series may have a ruling along the lines of "wheels can be increased by X inches" over standard.

However, once that period has expired and the cars drop down to club level then they do not need to stay within spec. other than in some historic series where the car is expected to be built to the homologation papers, although there are obviously exemptions for some parts due to safety and/or availability of parts etc. Even then, you also have the facility to have some parts or modifications put forward as "used in period" even if they did not get homologated with them.

This can be very problematic in itself, I have a friend with an Anglia who got told he couldn't have the indicator stalks he has on his car, yet he runs the car in a historic class for which the period regs stated that "controls and instruments are free" so it's not even as black and white as following the regulations.

Once you get into the stuff like the Subarus and Mitsubishis that have filtered into club level now the only limitation on say the turbos is that they have the correct size restrictor, you can run any turbo you want, but ultimately you're capped by the restrictor anyway. Beyond that the likes of the ex-works Imprezas mostly run on different management, as otherwise you have to pay an engineer from Prodrive to come and load the engine and diff maps onto the car every time you do a rally as they will not allow access to them to anyone other than a Prodrive employee.

Furthermore in the UK you have cars running that never been homologated, like the Darrian, there was a 4 wheel drive 306 which originally had a Metro 6R4 engine then a Cosworth V6 and we still have Metro 6R4s running despite the group B ban as the UK changed the rules to allow them to still run but in a diluted form by limiting them to a 2.5 litre engine.

Then you also have the mental stuff, like 350bhp Mk2 Escorts with sequential boxes and IRS rear ends etc. which have almost no relation at all now to the original cars.

TLDR Version:
Professional/Top level and most higher level national series i.e British Rally Championship = homologated.
Historic championships = broadly homologated unless you can prove something was done in period.
Everything Else = wild west as long as overall rules like turbo restrictors, minimum weights, safety rules etc. are stuck to.

For what it's worth I think/hope the lack of customisation is part of PD stepping back and having a bit of a rework. But that's obviously just supposition on my part.

Personally I found 5 and 6 to be quite bloated and unfocused, they had a lot of features but personally I found a lot of it felt a bit weak and badly implemented and the games overall to be a big disappointment.

Now we have a livery creator which almost gives us PC levels of skinning ability. Hopefully if/when they give us the ability to have more styling or performance customisation it's to the same standard.

 

[DJShadesUK]

Hey now just hold on a minute. Firstly. Do not try to belittle me by making me sound stupid.

I didn't make you sound stupid.

Making sarcastic remarks

I'm British. Brits are known for being a tad sarcastic. Deal with it.

and taking my statements completely out of context

To take your statements out of context would require me to have omitted certain parts of your post to misrepresent them to the reader. Every last word you typed is there, entirely in context.

and stretching them to the extent of stupidity and making fun of my statements.

You're the one that brought up things like GTA, which beyond having things with 4 wheels that you get can in and drive, the similarity entirely ends.

I was expecting majority of mentioned features for the next GT game.

Really?

Whether customization gets added in Sport

I don't expect them in GT Sport, neither do i want them.

Really?

Whether customization gets added in Sport

But i do expect them to do it well in the next GT game. So now go calm down, take a chill pill, learn to stop reacting negative to others. Eat some humble pie.

Calm level: Buddhist monk having a massage listening to whalesong CD.
Its a forum, I can react however I want as long as I'm not being abusive. Which I'm not. As I said; I'm British and I'm sarcastic. Wait, let me check the forum FAQ's................ Nope, thats not not allowed. (Dammit, I can't help myself!)

I'm not looking for an argument here and you appear to be looking for one,

Quite the contrary. But then I'm quite contrary, so I could be, or not. Did I mention I'm sarcastic?

Thanks for your detailed post, and I largely agree, except with one teeny-tiny little thing:

Homologation really only applies at the top level and in some historic series, running in the WRC or the regional FIA championships

Whilst this may be true you missed "In real life" before Homologation. Key is GTS is a game thats designed to appeal to a maximum amount of people. PD have had to pick-and-choose what elements of a holomogated, class based system while me suitable for general appeal. If they want to apply that to all cars in GTS, rather than just those that "mirror" real life, then that is their perogative. At the end of the day they're just trying to make it more accessible to everybody, nothing has been taken away from the core principle of the game; driving.

 

[FastFurious77]

I didn't make you sound stupid.


I'm British. Brits are known for being a tad sarcastic. Deal with it.


To take your statements out of context would require me to have omitted certain parts of your post to misrepresent them to the reader. Every last word you typed is there, entirely in context.


You're the one that brought up things like GTA, which beyond having things with 4 wheels that you get can in and drive, the similarity entirely ends.


Really?




Really?




Calm level: Buddhist monk having a massage listening to whalesong CD.
Its a forum, I can react however I want as long as I'm not being abusive. Which I'm not. As I said; I'm British and I'm sarcastic. Wait, let me check the forum FAQ's................ Nope, thats not not allowed. (Dammit, I can't help myself!)



Quite the contrary. But then I'm quite contrary, so I could be, or not. Did I mention I'm sarcastic?

Thanks for your detailed post, and I largely agree, except with one teeny-tiny little thing:

Whilst this may be true you missed "In real life" before Homologation. Key is GTS is a game thats designed to appeal to a maximum amount of people. PD have had to pick-and-choose what elements of a holomogated, class based system while me suitable for general appeal. If they want to apply that to all cars in GTS, rather than just those that "mirror" real life, then that is their perogative. At the end of the day they're just trying to make it more accessible to everybody, nothing has been taken away from the core principle of the game;

Is it really bad to expect just a little more even in an officia e sport game? I never said how much customization i would like PD to bring to GT Sport anyway. Note the word "whether" does mean any amount whether small or tiny. And not to the degree of older GT games.

Note i'm not talking about Sport with what i have to say in the next two sentences. I would prefer if we get better advanced tuning and customization for PD to go full blown all out with it in the next Gran Turismo to the degree of older GT games or better. This is 2018. Their is more expectations on realism for tuning and customization than ever before. I'm sure others would agree on this.

GT being a driving simulation game, it should have better customization than games which are not driving simulations at all. Yes they are driving games but it's frankly a joke that need for speed, forza and other games which i mentioned like GTA could walk all over GT when it comes to customization. PD need to get ahead of the competition. Hopefully they will do better in the next GT game.

This concludes what i have to say.

 

[Manasseh257NSX]

I'm with you @jubeiiiii246 I'm not trying to create some crazy show car or anything like that, but I'd love to mod my MR2 or R33 into a GT car.

Let me add a rollcage, high flow exhaust, engine upgrades, wider tires, lighter wheels, wing, diffuser, splitter, etc. etc. I know PD can pull it off. It's just a matter of wanting to do it.

and I really hope they do. I'm itching to hold a "Run what you got" type series (within reason)

 

[05XR8]

I'm with you @jubeiiiii246 I'm not trying to create some crazy show car or anything like that, but I'd love to mod my MR2 or R33 into a GT car.

Let me add a rollcage, high flow exhaust, engine upgrades, wider tires, lighter wheels, wing, diffuser, splitter, etc. etc. I know PD can pull it off. It's just a matter of wanting to do it.

and I really hope they do. I'm itching to hold a "Run what you got" type series (within reason)

...and to "build" a car like that, I'm hoping PD are already experimenting with it, for the next game.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Basically a Gr.4 version of every car and I'd love that. Gr. 4 is basically Race Modification from GT5 or the Touring Cars DLC from GT6

 

[ScottPuss20]

Basically a Gr.4 version of every car and I'd love that. Gr. 4 is basically Race Modification from GT5 or the Touring Cars DLC from GT6

I'm still at a loss as to why race mods haven't appeared again... They were great fun in GT5.

 

[05XR8]

Was it in GT6 where the pace car lights were an option? Wonder why that's not doable in this game.

I'll give PD a pass on normal classic cars, but as above, cars that are Gr.4, their road variant should have those parts available.

 

[ImaRobot]

This is Gran Turismo SPORT.

It can be called whatever it want's to be, the title of the game doesn't really mean much, and on top of that, visual customization, be it purely cosmetic, or functional, can very much fit into the game.

This is not either of those games, it isn't even a regular Gran Turismo, its Gran Turismo SPORT.

Thank you captain obvious Title doesn't mean much, and even considering the core scope of the game, it's not too farfetched of an idea. If they can develop make believe cars into specific classes, running all kinds of fictional technology, than why wouldn't they be able to add body kits to cars while still being a heavily BOP, homologated class-racing game?

And customization will alter the game so drastically that it wont fit into its norm anymore, in what way?

As opposed to what, being behind and one step ahead or being ahead and one step behind?

You're trying just a bit too hard to sound clever.

Have Forza or Need for Speed had a version heavily based on homologated racing? I must have missed that!

Yes, you must have.

You want to be able to rob banks, kill pedestrians, and steal helicopters, planes and tanks?

Not sure if you're generally clueless, or if you just like reading into things that aren't there. GTS is largely offering a game that is not unique to itself. It Mimics Pcars at it's core. I think what it has done better is tidy up online play, however.

This isn't GT6.

Such deep thought went into these posts, we can tell That's like saying we don't need tuning menu's either, because it isn't GT6. If something isn't affecting the core gameplay and ideals, than it makes one wonder why things were removed in the first place.

To take your statements out of context would require me to have omitted certain parts of your post to misrepresent them to the reader. Every last word you typed is there, entirely in context.

You did exactly that, with going overboard with the requests he had, acting like he was requesting a GTA style game.

You're the one that brought up things like GTA, which beyond having things with 4 wheels that you get can in and drive, the similarity entirely ends.

He did, and then like he said, you stretched them to the extent of stupidity While I dont agree with the modification style that he is putting forward with GTA, I very much agree that modifications in games like Forza can very well work here too. They're making up their own BOP on the spot with each car, so they can very much figure out a way to get these functioning in game. If they can add a Rocket Bunny GT86 Drift Car(what kind of strict homologated class does that actually fit into exactly? ) then they can get this sorted too.

Calm level: Buddhist monk having a massage listening to whalesong CD.
Its a forum, I can react however I want as long as I'm not being abusive. Which I'm not. As I said; I'm British and I'm sarcastic. Wait, let me check the forum FAQ's................ Nope, thats not not allowed. (Dammit, I can't help myself!)

"I'm British, I'm sarcastic" is a real thing? I must be British too.

I'm still at a loss as to why race mods haven't appeared again... They were great fun in GT5.

Well, according to the person I'm talking to, it hasn't appeared again because THIS IS GTSPORT lol.

 

[banckzy]

Nothing says racing quite like a Halfords ram-raided chav chariot.
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had to give a like just for that 206 alone!!

 

[Sander 001]

I'm almost completely certain that customization is coming, at least some. I drive the Lamborghini Countach quite a bit and if you try roof cam, you'll notice something obvious if you look to the rear.

 

[DatNoiseV12]

I very much agree that modifications in games like Forza can very well work here too

I agree as well. On the other hand, I also wouldn't have any problem with pre-tuned/RM'ed cars. They clearly know how to put their hands on them (Gr. 4/3, homologation specials, GT5 touring cars etc.) and other developers did just that (think of the tuned Hachiroku/Supra/RX-7 variants in Assetto or the SMS-R R34 in PCARS2). Those cars could be put into N4/500 classes or balanced for Gr. 4 racing (if turned into race cars). Plenty of possibilities, even without a Forza level of visual & mechanical customization.

 

[Nuschel01]

THIS IS GTSPORT

You sure it's not Sparta or Patrick? 💡

 

[Diego Romero]

I'm almost completely certain that customization is coming, at least some. I drive the Lamborghini Countach quite a bit and if you try roof cam, you'll notice something obvious if you look to the rear.

I also think customization is coming, don’t know why I was watching old GT trailer videos on YouTube and I saw this Miata with a huge wing and a front tow hook. I remember thinking that we could mod the cars, so fingers crossed.

Video:

 

[DatNoiseV12]

I also think customization is coming, don’t know why I was watching old GT trailer videos on YouTube and I saw this Miata with a huge wing and a front tow hook. I remember thinking that we could mod the cars, so fingers crossed.

Video:

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Isn't that the Roadster N200 from an early build?

 

[SestoScudo]

Since Gran Turismo sport is about motorsport. Customization is useless.

Unless if PD brings back race modifications from GT2 thats a different story.

 

[Lebowski]

Yep, last thing we need is the discovery section full of Aston Martin's in pink with gauge pods and stupid wings. Say no to tasteless modification and stand your ground!!

 

[Blacki2k2]

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... but some things are better left unpainted.

It would be great, if we able to paint the interior of the car, especially the dashboard. And as a final finishing, there should be a few accessories to place on the dashboard. An Elvis Booblehead as example...

Just kidding. I don't care about colors or paints, the main thing is that the cars runs fast and i can race great races here. For all others i can use NFS or GTA...

 

[05XR8]

Isn't that the Roadster N200 from an early build?

...and we have those 57Ds as a wheel option.

 

[Rinsky]

Isn't that the Roadster N200 from an early build?

Might sound like an obvious question to those who have had GTS from day one but where did this car go along with the Lotus in that photo? Obviously they both were once in the game.

 

[Diego Romero]

Might sound like an obvious question to those who have had GTS from day one but where did this car go along with the Lotus in that photo? Obviously they both were once in the game.

I have the same question, I never had access to early beta builds...

 

[DatNoiseV12]

Might sound like an obvious question to those who have had GTS from day one but where did this car go along with the Lotus in that photo? Obviously they both were once in the game.

I think Lotus (Evora/Elise) was pulled due to licensing issues. Not sure about the Mazda; all I know is that It appeared in a very early build and was cut later on, along with the Gr. B version of the Volkswagen GTI Concept.

 

[Rinsky]

I think Lotus (Evora/Elise) was pulled due to licensing issues. Not sure about the Mazda; all I know is that It appeared in a very early build and was cut later on, along with the Gr. B version of the Volkswagen GTI Concept.

Very interesting. Makes one wonder just how many cars they have or had ready to go and decided against putting them in the final release.

 

[TheNuvolari]

DON'T LET THIS ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!

 

[ImaRobot]

DON'T LET THIS ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!

Isn't something like this already possible, sans the spoiler?

 

[TheNuvolari]

Isn't something like this already possible, sans the spoiler?

Well, basically, yes, but at least we can't ruin these beautiful classics with ugly body kits, nor we can't put those gauges to the cockpit.

 

[Rinsky]

Well, basically, yes, but at least we can't ruin these beautiful classics with ugly body kits, nor we can't put those gauges to the cockpit.

Because I use cockpit view most I really would like that option back to customize my gauges

 

[ImaRobot]

Well, basically, yes, but at least we can't ruin these beautiful classics with ugly body kits, nor we can't put those gauges to the cockpit.

The picture shown has none of that, sans the wing. So the issue being?