Which car would you take out to the 'Ring?

[Border]

This quote should be made sticky or something

It's actually THAT good 👍

Why Thanks -

 

[fwdtamiya]

This quote should be made sticky or something

It's actually THAT good 👍

definetly

 

[d_dogg]

stock cars-eclipse, viper srt 10, and every bmw street car

loaded cars- mclaren f1 fina, benz clk gtr race car, yota gt1 race car, and every bmw race car

 

[neanderthal]

it still sounds like the petulant whining of a spoiled brat.
having thoroughly spanked all my friends and co workers in gt i could very easily get a big head about it. but ive raced against real online racers. people who can beat my best lap by three seconds if not more. so i stick to what i know, which is there are plenty of very good racers out there, a few phenominal ones, some hacks, and a bunch of fanboy wannabes.

i dont know you, have never raced against you, so you pick the category you think you belong in. you can boast when the games out.

 

[alexsteffen]

I'll probably end up taking the Stratos (surprise, surprise) perhaps with some extra tuning in the engine department, just to haul ass on the monumental straight that's a couple turns before the start/finish line.
I'll also be taking out a Formula car or two, I just wish that one of Jackie's cars was in the game. By 'Jackie' I mean Stewart of course.

QUOTE]

Good Idea !

The Stratos or the 037 Rally would be great !

Or even better: The Fiat 131 TC Abarth World Rally Championship with the Allitalia Look !

 

[Dave A]

Oh, and one more thing. Even Kazunori said not to expect too much out of online because it wont be the same as single player.

We know it won't be the same as the single player, but KY is hoping to include as much as possible in online thats in single player and more, and where did KY say not to expect too much,? The last he said about it was he'd sorted the problems which was at E3.

 

[Pak]

NEED... GT4 + Nurburgring + RUF CTR Yellowbird!

http://www.green-flag.com/pages/Nurburgring.php

 

[Martinmaxx]

you shouldnt compare a game and real life . because if you hit the wall in a game @ 150mph you dont die !!!!!!

that tends to have an effect in real life ---

So??

You should explain that to KY. He and his team are trying to make the game as similar to the real experience as possible.

Maybe you think that way because you are only considering the elements that can make a RL lap slower in comparison with GT, but there are also several elements that can make a GT lap slower than RL :

1. You cannot "feel" the car, as there are no G-forces.
2. You cannot "feel" the brakes,as they have no force feedback.
3. There is no peripheric view (you cannot look to both sides in order to see the apex of some turns)
4. It is very difficult to sense the tire adhesion limit.
5. Eventhough there is good FF with the DFP, it is nowhere near the feedback of a real car.
6. Etc.

If you take all these elements together, similar lap times can be achieved between GT and RL. PD has proved this with the 5 sec difference on Nürburgring.

and also think what ya like about me i dont give a toss , you dont know me and never will -so keep ya oppinions about me to yaself n stick to the thread OK !!!!

You are right. That is the good thing about democracy and open forums : anyone can think and say whatever they want, while not offending others! 👍

Cheer up, and enjoy GT!!!

 

[Martinmaxx]

NEED... GT4 + Nurburgring + RUF CTR Yellowbird!

http://www.green-flag.com/pages/Nurburgring.php

That video rocks!!

I´ve had it in my computer for a couple of years, and I always go back to it. Stefan Roser (the CTR driver) is really talented. I´ve seen him working for Auto Motor und Sport lately.

There is a good chance for it to be in GT4, as it is one of the most important cars (if not the most) in RUF´s history.

If you like that car, you can check this forum (here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=442358#post442358 and here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40222) where a very cool chap from England called Adam has bought one recently. He (and his family) also own a red 996 RUF Turbo R and an E39 M5. He also happens to be a GT enthusiast, and his very own red RUF Turbo R has been "scanned" by PD to be featured in GT4. 👍

 

[Border]

it still sounds like the petulant whining of a spoiled brat.
having thoroughly spanked all my friends and co workers in gt i could very easily get a big head about it. but ive raced against real online racers. people who can beat my best lap by three seconds if not more. so i stick to what i know, which is there are plenty of very good racers out there, a few phenominal ones, some hacks, and a bunch of fanboy wannabes.

i dont know you, have never raced against you, so you pick the category you think you belong in. you can boast when the games out.

Well im gonna put ya straight - im 30 yrs old , and i would put myself between very good & phenominal ( lets call it excellent ).you should put yourself in the group of " know it all "coz it seems to me thats what type of person you are !!!

and as for racing online - gt hasnt been online yet ???? so what are you on about - im talkin about gt !!! ( thought thats what this site was about )
Now as i said before , i am more than willing to meet you online with GT to show you why i belong in the excellent class, until then stop chucking your toys outta ya cott and leave it at that .you dont know me ( as you said ) & you dont know how good i am .so stop trying to fool yourself into thinking you do !!!!!!

As for comparing times - theres no way ," any video " game can re-create the sense of " if i go off into the armco i might die " which would make any driver of a real car hold back from taking the car past its limits .
its all too easy too say that there are drivers would do this , and i agree some will and they are F1 & WRC rally drivers, but when it comes to a game and real life , the consequences of pushing a car past its limits and being able to get away with it are far less daunting in a computer game than in real life .

I will take the car well past its limits on every corner of a video game , to make my times faster , it doesnt matter if i push to hard and crash @ 150mph, ive only gotta start again .
Whereas in the real world , i would never push a car that hard for fear of crashing .and there isnt a person alive who could say they would push a real car as hard as computer game car .until games developers can make a game hurt you for crashing , its pointless even going there , the lap times will be close but GT's will always be quicker simply for the " NO FEAR " factor .

theres now way you can tell me - if you do your best lap in a 250 bhp skyline around the Ring on GT , that you could get within 5 seconds of it in the real world just because you can on GT . you wouldnt have the guts or the skills .

So lets leave this pointless argument @ that , and start a thread about something worth talkin about .

 

[Martinmaxx]

theres now way you can tell me - if you do your best lap in a 250 bhp skyline around the Ring on GT , that you could get within 5 seconds of it in the real world just because you can on GT . you wouldnt have the guts or the skills

It is the other way around : We are checking real lap times, performed by professional drivers on cars that may be featured in GT4, to then try to equal them on GT4 (once available). No one here is talking about achieving the same lap time in real life. Only a professional driver and GT enthusiast can do that, which is exactly what PD did with Nissan´s top test driver.

Concerning online racing, you can do that in GT3 and GT4P (or any game) by posting your lap times and comparing them with other drivers around the world. Even in this forum you have a special board called ONLINE RACING https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Cheers!!

 

[fwdtamiya]

NEED... GT4 + Nurburgring + RUF CTR Yellowbird!

http://www.green-flag.com/pages/Nurburgring.php

After looping the first video for several hours i have decided i am not man enough to take on that track.

 

[Border]

It is the other way around : We are checking real lap times, performed by professional drivers on cars that may be featured in GT4, to then try to equal them on GT4 (once available). No one here is talking about achieving the same lap time in real life. Only a professional driver and GT enthusiast can do that, which is exactly what PD did with Nissan´s top test driver.

Concerning online racing, you can do that in GT3 and GT4P (or any game) by posting your lap times and comparing them with other drivers around the world. Even in this forum you have a special board called ONLINE RACING https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12

Cheers!!

Polyphony were quoted in saying that if you had a car like a subaru say ...
and you wanted to compare lap times with GT and a track day meet . you could get times within 5 seconds .
im saying - unless your a very competant racing driver - it aint gonna happen - because of the " NO FEAR FACTOR "

Also i do know you can post times on here , but posting and racing together are worlds apart , and there are people in this world who take pleasure in lying about times just so they can say they are better .
if ya really want a true reading of how good you are in a game - you have to race against a person or as in gt's case 5 peeps .

 

[Martinmaxx]

Polyphony were quoted in saying that if you had a car like a subaru say ...
and you wanted to compare lap times with GT and a track day meet . you could get times within 5 seconds .
im saying - unless your a very competant racing driver - it aint gonna happen - because of the " NO FEAR FACTOR "

Also i do know you can post times on here , but posting and racing together are worlds apart , and there are people in this world who take pleasure in lying about times just so they can say they are better .
if ya really want a true reading of how good you are in a game - you have to race against a person or as in gt's case 5 peeps .

That is not what PD said. They said that Nissan´s top test driver, which happens to be a GT fan, was able to achieve in GT4 a lap time within 5 seconds of his record in a real life R34 Skyline GTR around the Nürburgring. As the lap time is around 8 minutes (480 seconds), the 5 second difference is around 1%. With this statement, they demonstrated how good a simulation GT4 is.

Concerning cheating when racing online by submitting false times, they are generally checked with X-port replays sent over the Internet. By checking that file, you can know if the car has been hybrided, if the mods are as per the specific race limitations and if the lap is legal (two wheel always on track - no shortcutting, wallriding, or any other form of cheating). Good enough to compare your GT driving skill with other GT drivers.

It is evident you are not a "know it all" kind of person.

 

[Border]

That is not what PD said. They said that Nissan´s top test driver, which happens to be a GT fan, was able to achieve in GT4 a lap time within 5 seconds of his record in a real life R34 Skyline GTR around the Nürburgring. As the lap time is around 8 minutes (480 seconds), the 5 second difference is around 1%. With this statement, they demonstrated how good a simulation GT4 is.

Concerning cheating when racing online by submitting false times, they are generally checked with X-port replays sent over the Internet. By checking that file, you can know if the car has been hybrided, if the mods are as per the specific race limitations and if the lap is legal (two wheel always on track - no shortcutting, wallriding, or any other form of cheating). Good enough to compare your GT driving skill with other GT drivers.

It is evident you are not a "know it all" kind of person.

Your absolutly right , im not a know it all , unlike youself and neanderthal !!!!

And PD did say that if you wanted to compare your OWN times in your OWN CAR - on a track that appears in GT !!!!!!! YOU COULD !!!!!!!

NOW stop pretending to know everything COZ U DONT !!!!!!!!!

 

[Border]

Concerning cheating when racing online by submitting false times, they are generally checked with X-port replays sent over the Internet. By checking that file, you can know if the car has been hybrided, if the mods are as per the specific race limitations and if the lap is legal (two wheel always on track - no shortcutting, wallriding, or any other form of cheating). Good enough to compare your GT driving skill with other GT drivers .

Also i know all about x- port , and i also know that that will only work if you have it !!!!! ,

Racing in a crowd online with other people is the only way to resolve who's the fastest . as in the real world !!!!!!!

 

[Martinmaxx]

Your absolutly right , im not a know it all , unlike youself and neanderthal !!!!

And PD did say that if you wanted to compare your OWN times in your OWN CAR - on a track that appears in GT !!!!!!! YOU COULD !!!!!!!

NOW stop pretending to know everything COZ U DONT !!!!!!!!!

That is not what you said in post # 103. You talked about Subarus, track day meets and 5 sec differences. KY talked about Skyline R34 GTR, Nürburgring and 5 sec differences. You can watch the E3 video presentation and hear these exact facts.

I didn´t mean to sound as a "know it all", because I am not. But I don´t post about things I don´t know!! Maybe you should do the same, because until now, you are only diggin yourself deeper and deeper

 

[Border]

That is not what you said in post # 103. You talked about Subarus, track day meets and 5 sec differences. KY talked about Skyline R34 GTR, Nürburgring and 5 sec differences. You can watch the E3 video presentation and hear these exact facts.

I didn´t mean to sound as a "know it all", because I am not. But I don´t post about things I don´t know!! Maybe you should do the same, because until now, you are only diggin yourself deeper and deeper

do you want me too draw you a picture - coz it seems you cant read very well !!!

i said " if you had a car like a subaru say ... "

GET IT ----- " if you "

that means your own car

subaru was an example !!!!!!!!!!!!!

you might not want to sound like a know it all --- but you do !!!!

and i dont pretend to know it all - other than what i see & hear

now will you quite makin stupid arguments and post somethins sensible !!!!

 

[Martinmaxx]

do you want me too draw you a picture - coz it seems you cant read very well !!!

i said " if you had a car like a subaru say ... "

GET IT ----- " if you "

that means your own car

subaru was an example !!!!!!!!!!!!!

you might not want to sound like a know it all --- but you do !!!!

and i dont pretend to know it all - other than what i see & hear

now will you quite makin stupid arguments and post somethins sensible !!!!

And what about the 5 seconds you mentioned. Were those also an example as the Subaru mentioned before?

I do know that what I said was officially informed by PD. It is a fact, not an example. I already told you the source. If you haven´t seen that E3 video, maybe you should.

Are you the forum moderator? If not, you should ask yourself not to post stupid arguments. This is an open board, and my posts are under this board rules.

Besides, I am only posting facts...

 

[Border]

And what about the 5 seconds you mentioned. Were those also an example as the Subaru mentioned before?

I do know that what I said was officially informed by PD. It is a fact, not an example. I already told you the source. If you haven´t seen that E3 video, maybe you should.

Are you the forum moderator? If not, you should ask yourself not to post stupid arguments. This is an open board, and my posts are under this board rules.

Besides, I am only posting facts...

Polyphony stated " within 5 seconds " not me !!!!

and yes i have seen the vids - all of em !!

no im not the moderator and i have been trying to stop this stupid argument since post #100

so maybe - you are the one who keeps comin out with pointless arguments - and being the master statistician .
maybe its you who thinks he is the MOD !!!!

now lets leave it there ok !!! - it obviously isnt goin anywhere and whatever i say is being taken outta context because people like you dont read the posts properly .
something you should practice more of in the future

 

[Martinmaxx]

Polyphony stated " within 5 seconds " not me !!!!

and yes i have seen the vids - all of em !!

no im not the moderator and i have been trying to stop this stupid argument since post #100

so maybe - you are the one who keeps comin out with pointless arguments - and being the master statistician .
maybe its you who thinks he is the MOD !!!!

now lets leave it there ok !!! - it obviously isnt goin anywhere and whatever i say is being taken outta context because people like you dont read the posts properly .
something you should practice more of in the future

Instead of proving me wrong, you prefer to quit!

I do read the posts. It is because of reading them carefully that I have been able to highlight your errors. Maybe your posts are either not clear, or not true. The "within 5 seconds" phrase you mentioned as being stated by PD indeed corresponded to the R34 on Nürburgring by Nissan´s top test driver as I said. Not any car, on any track with any driver as you said.

Have a good night! 👍

 

[Border]

Instead of proving me wrong, you prefer to quit!

I do read the posts. It is because of reading them carefully that I have been able to highlight your errors. Maybe your posts are either not clear, or not true. The "within 5 seconds" phrase you mentioned as being stated by PD indeed corresponded to the R34 on Nürburgring by Nissan´s top test driver as I said. Not any car, on any track with any driver as you said.

Have a good night! 👍

maybe next time i post i'll put a little picture @ the bottom just for you !!!!
coz you cant read for **** ......

and i wil have a good night thanks - you had better stay awake and catch up on your reading man !!!!!

wanna borrow a night light so you can see the words , or will mummy leave the light on !!!!

now just leave it there ok...................

 

[Sleek Stratos]

Thanks Pak for posting that link, those videos are sweet, man. 👍

 

[nemesisj18]

5 seconds?.... that would of left you in the dust in real life (in the game also)
But it's an improvemet

 

[Pak]

That video rocks!!

I´ve had it in my computer for a couple of years, and I always go back to it. Stefan Roser (the CTR driver) is really talented. I´ve seen him working for Auto Motor und Sport lately.

There is a good chance for it to be in GT4, as it is one of the most important cars (if not the most) in RUF´s history.

If you like that car, you can check this forum (here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=442358#post442358 and here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40222) where a very cool chap from England called Adam has bought one recently. He (and his family) also own a red 996 RUF Turbo R and an E39 M5. He also happens to be a GT enthusiast, and his very own red RUF Turbo R has been "scanned" by PD to be featured in GT4. 👍

Thanks for the links 👍 damn if I had a car like that and PD came 'scanning' it I would first demand some things to be in GT4

 

[Martinmaxx]

Thanks for the links 👍 damn if I had a car like that and PD came 'scanning' it I would first demand some things to be in GT4

Glad you liked it.

You can find some info about the actual "scanning" of that RUF here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32070&highlight=gran+turismo and here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33103&highlight=gran+turismo

If PD was scanning any of my cars, I would definately ask for a beta copy of the game!!

Regards.

 

[Dave A]

5 seconds?.... that would of left you in the dust in real life (in the game also)
But it's an improvemet

Thats laps opf within 5 secs of real life on the Ring, other tracks are within 1 sec of real life times.

 

[GTXLR]

do you want me too draw you a picture - coz it seems you cant read very well !!!

i said " if you had a car like a subaru say ... "

GET IT ----- " if you "

that means your own car

subaru was an example !!!!!!!!!!!!!

you might not want to sound like a know it all --- but you do !!!!

You may be 30 but you come across sometimes like an Arrogant Hormonal Teenager

PD were trying to show how well they had done with the Track modelling and Physics engine.
They stated that the track (ring) was modelled as close to within 15cm of its real life counterpart.
They then said that The Nissan Skyline test driver, also a GT fan had managed, to complete a lap in the same car in GT4 within 1% of his real life time which around the Ring equates to 5 seconds.
They were just showing off how proud they feel about the level of accuracy achieved, with what is basically an all theoretical physics engine combined with real world statistics, and being able to compare this closely to real life.

 

[Dave A]

I will take the car well past its limits on every corner of a video game , to make my times faster , it doesnt matter if i push to hard and crash @ 150mph, ive only gotta start again .
Whereas in the real world , i would never push a car that hard for fear of crashing .and there isnt a person alive who could say they would push a real car as hard as computer game car .until games developers can make a game hurt you for crashing , its pointless even going there , the lap times will be close but GT's will always be quicker simply for the " NO FEAR " factor .

theres now way you can tell me - if you do your best lap in a 250 bhp skyline around the Ring on GT , that you could get within 5 seconds of it in the real world just because you can on GT . you wouldnt have the guts or the skills .

So lets leave this pointless argument @ that , and start a thread about something worth talkin about .

Border your right there, in a video game anyone ill push a car much harder than they woiuld dare to in real life, and it's because of the consequences of pushing too far in real life, but the potentioal times in both real life and in GT4 are very similar. As for the online, comparing lap times that have been viewed by replays is the only way to do online compeitions at the momnet, I'm also aware that in competitions where there are people that don't have an X-Port or arn't willing to send their memory card with the replay (lets face i not many people are willing to do that anyway, I'm not) lie about the times. I've noticed my tinmes arn't anything too special overall in GT, I always thought I was very good at the game but few of my times compete with the top times at racing line for example which are genuine times, however in proper race online in other sims and in multiplayer races in GT3 I can hold my own very well whoever I play as long as the cars are equal. I do better in a proper race than in a time trial, I do better when I see what the opposition is doing and how much harder I need to push to do that, bt better in GT3's trials is horrible and blocks your view more often than aiding you). Also, going around sayng your great is not a good thing to do online, even the top drivers don't brag because it stops people liking you, and trynig to insult other people has the same effect suprisingly, stop being hostile and calm down with the I'm good, your just know it alls who don't know **** really type of comments because stuff like what I've just quoted is good stuff, it's spot on but people wont see that if it starts with comments like I'm an exellent GT player your just a know it all.

 

[Pak]

Glad you liked it.

You can find some info about the actual "scanning" of that RUF here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32070&highlight=gran+turismo and here http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33103&highlight=gran+turismo

If PD was scanning any of my cars, I would definately ask for a beta copy of the game!!

Regards.

Hmm, they only recorded the sound when the car was standing still. Isn't it important to record while driving it too?