Which Manufacturer do you want back in WRC?

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Simmpa, Feb 23, 2017.

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Which Manufacturer do you want back in WRC?

  1. Audi

    8 vote(s)
    15.4%
  2. Ford

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  3. Mini

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. Mitsubishi

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  5. Peugeot

    3 vote(s)
    5.8%
  6. Seat

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Skoda

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  8. Subaru

    25 vote(s)
    48.1%
  9. Suzuki

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Volkswagen

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  1. Simmpa

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    I have a feeling Subaru will be the popular choice, I decided not to include Lancia as they simply no longer exist.
     
  2. twitcher

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    Why does it have to be "back"? Why not include Mercedes, or Honda, or GM?

    Also I think you forgot Nissan.
     
  3. Jimlaad43

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    Easiest question ever
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  4. 05XR8

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    I'm surprised Audi has a current car named S1 and it's not in WRC.
     
  5. Simmpa

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    Hard to make a poll and make a list of every manufacturer that exist. Also I didn´t knew Nissan was in WRC.
     
  6. EDK

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    I've changed your "Wich" to "Which" in the Thread and poll titles.
     
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  7. mustafur

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    Mazda: images-2.jpg
     
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  8. Silver Arrows

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    This. The 2 can easily be made into a legit WRC car.

    In fact, there is a Mazda 3 that I believe that does Andros Ice Racing in France, but I don't think it is a factory effort:

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  9. 05XR8

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    MZRacing do Ja
    MZRacing do Japan rallying.
     
  10. mustafur

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    Idk how Subaru can get back into WRC anyway they don't make a car that is Subcompact.
     
  11. Peter.

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    Mitsubishi killed themselves by essentially pulling out of motorsport. They should have never left WRC.
     
  12. SVT Cobra GT

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    I'd have voted for about 5 manufacturers on there if I could, but had to go with Subaru. Most memorable liveries and probably competed with the nicest cars.
     
  13. boiltheocean

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    They're pretty close though. The Hyundai i20 has a wheelbase of 2,570mm which is only 80mm shorter than the current STI. To put it another way the STI has the same wheelbase as a Hyundai i30.
     
  14. JR98

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    I'd love to see Subaru back if they used something similar to their classic livery.
     
  15. TheCracker

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    Lancia.
     
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  16. EDK

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    That had a very solid following here in the US, which really had little to do with Rally.

    They had a great reputation for making cars that stood apart from their competition.

    In the 90's, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting at least 3 Eclipses.

    Have a look at this long term trend on unit volume and market share here I was able to find. They had respectable market share of nearly 2% at one point, and fell to around half a percent, that's not sustainable.


    Mitsubishi
    All Models
    Market
    Share

    2016 96.267 0,55%
    2015 95.342 0,55%
    2014 77.643 0,47%
    2013 62.227 0,40%
    2012 57.790 0,40%
    2011 79.020 0,62%
    2010 55.683 0,48%
    2009 53.986 0,52%
    2008 97.257 0,73%
    2007 128.993 0,80%
    2006 118.558 0,72%
    2005 123.995 0,73%
    2004 161.609 0,96%
    2003 256.810 1,54%
    2002 345.915 2,10%
    2001 323.706 1,90%
    2000 316.496 1,80%
    1999 263.464 1,60%
    1998 192.785 1,20%
    1997 190.978 1,30%
    1996 187.126 1,20%
    1995 198.059 1,25%
    1994 201.004 1,51%
    1993 168.202 1,29%
    1992 155.580 1,31%
    1991 190.801 1,54%
    1990 191.017 1,50%
    1989 150.476 1,13%
    1988 113.492 0,71%


    At some point, they got lazy with model development, scaled back their marketing efforts, and fell into the trap of matching their competition rather than standing apart.

    That's what killed Mitsubishi.
     
  17. Peter.

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    Racing is marketing. Dropping out of WRC, which they were successful in, which sold them cars as well, was a mistake. Not the only one, but a mistake nonetheless. The fact that their best selling cars like the Eclipse and the Evolution are no more says a lot about their management. Can't wait to get an i-MiEV though, am I right?
     
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  18. Silver Arrows

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    Didn't they only drop out because WRC was starting to transition into their regs that basically made it only a game of subcompacts being the base of WRC cars?
     
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  19. Simmpa

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    Those tiny hatchbacks didn´t appear until 2011 and Mitsubishi pulled out after 2005 season
     
  20. Robin

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    Forgot Opel on the list...

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    I could see them doing something interesting if they ever fancied a return, maybe with the new Astra.

    Personally though I would really want Subaru to return.
     
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  21. 05XR8

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    Besides, most people in North America didn't know what a Lancer was until that OZ version and Fast & Furious 2. The Eclipse GSX were well and good to get people involved in performance awd, but that's when the Lancer should have debuted. The Galant VR-4 wasn't cutting it with its goofy looks(compared to a Maxima, Cressida, Accord and Camry).
     
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  22. prisonermonkeys

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    There was an R5-specification Mirage competing in selected rounds of the Asia-Pacific Rally Championship last year, but it hasn't been homologated yet.

    Cars like the Lancer Evolution IX and Evolution X simply weren't competitive. Especially compared to the Evolution V and Evolution VI.

    Anything under 3.9 metres in length is permitted under the rules now.
     
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  23. EDK

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    Here in the US, rally means little, and they still failed. That was my point.

    We are basically an isolated control, and it didn't matter, they still failed.
     
  24. TheElbows

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    Trick question because the answer is: Mitsubishi AND Subaru. A great rivalry which deserves to continue.
     
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  25. GOTMAXPOWER

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    A production-based Group N car won less rallies overall than top class Group A cars? Great insight.
     
  26. mustafur

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    The Evo VI was a proper freak of a car, winning the title under inferior Group A regs vs the next gen WRC machinery.
     
  27. ShiftingGears

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    You can hardly blame them - after introducing a car built to WRC regulations (and not Group A) they didn't win a rally in three full seasons.
     
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  28. Liquid

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    Opel
    Mazda
    Lancia
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  29. AMPMROCKETFANN

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    They might come back if Peugeot feels like using that as a way to get exposure
     
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  30. prisonermonkeys

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    Peugeot won't return so long as Citroën are there.