Who thinks GT4 sucks?

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If you dont like this game its either because you have been playing Need for Speed Underground, you dont own a Driving Force Pro or you play in third person.

- Autosave can be turned off
- Ghost can be turned off
- 2 player garage battles now exist.

Now I need to go back and have more sex with GT4
 
yeah my 200* steering doesnt work at all in GT4.. worked great in toca 2 but i guess since the game is setup for 900*.. might make a different when i adjust sensitivy.. either too snesitive, or not enough.. anyway, the feel of the steering vs car is not there

thats alright i still play with the controller
 
And because sometimes people don't read everything in long threads, I'm going to repeat myself.

///M-Spec
ATTENTION.

If you want to discuss politics, please do it in the Opinions forum. There is even an ongoing thread for this very topic and I'm going to ask everyone to use it if you have a burning desire to voice your opinion.

Otherwise, this matter should be dropped immediately. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

M
 
i've yet to find an american car that i like or worthy of naming it a sport car.... except may be the new vette.... (no.... muscle cars are not sport/race cars....they're well... muscle cars, which no one outside the continent cares about..)

if PD chose to ignore the US market, the chances are there'll be no trucks and may be 10 american cars in the whole game i think..... look at the amount of american cars driven in Asia...

btw i'm a chinese canadian.. :)
 
woodstock827
i've yet to find an american car that i like or worthy of naming it a sport car.... except may be the new vette.... (no.... muscle cars are not sport/race cars....they're well... muscle cars, which no one outside the continent cares about..)

if PD chose to ignore the US market, the chances are there'll be no trucks and may be 10 american cars in the whole game i think..... look at the amount of american cars driven in Asia...

btw i'm a chinese canadian.. :)

Well, aren't we happy for you!
 
woodstock827
if PD chose to ignore the US market, the chances are there'll be no trucks and may be 10 american cars in the whole game i think..... look at the amount of american cars driven in Asia...

Two of the most popular brands in China are Buick and Cadillac, where they are both status symbols for the new middle class.


M
 
Polyphony001
To add my view to this point. I am still waiting for GT4 (being a PAL person) BUT from what i've seen or heard i know plenty enough to post here, shame i can't say that for everyone.

1. I side with both groups on the too many cars front ("Theres like tonnes of skylines, who needs them?" There are too many admittedly, and although i expect bias i think its a little too strong. On the other hand, i do agree that PD is a japanese company, and they are not going to fit in so many american/european cars, and I am happy with that. So GT4 doesn't suck there.

2. Even from sketchy divx videos i can see that the graphics in GT4 are much better than GT3. Expansion packs never focus on better, graphics only more of them, for those GT3.5 people

3. Sounds on Prologue are fantastic and I'm sure GT4 will be the same. I only don't know about the effects of different exhausts/turbos on the sound. My hope is that the dump valve noise returns to proper volume. On the WRX impreza in prologue it was inaudible, but beside that, no complaints.

4. So the soundtrack isn't to my taste (and by the looks of it, not to 99% of people's taste). Big deal. One button press and it's been turned off. No problem there

5. Autosave. I've heard conflicting stories as to what restricted mode does, so im not really sure what to say here. If its not turn-offable, i will be slightly miffed, as some people rightly said earlier, you can't test drive every car in real life, so the reload option was still useful. It's the real driving sim, but hey, its not 100% real, only very close to it. you don't HAVE to cheat if you don't want to!

6. Courses. Saddened with the missing of a few GT2 tracks, but bar that the track choice is very good.

7. Import of GT3 saves. Despite this feature, i'll prefer to start from scratch. The only license tests i may find incredibly difficult will be those that my past GT3 save couldn't help me with anyway!

8. Car physics. Look fine to me mate. No rolling of cars, but if you do, generally it makes the car just roll over again unrealistically (TOCA RD2 for example). That's not realism. Having to restart a 24 hour endurance race for rolling your car at the 23rd hour? Suicidal. GT4 has got it right in this area. G-Meter seems a bit farsical but I can live with it.

They're my views, and I hope I can persuade you that not all folks still GT4less are only capable of incomprehensible GT4-slagging-off nonsense.


BEST. POST. EVER.

Simple as that.
 
Polyphony001
8. Car physics. Look fine to me mate. No rolling of cars, but if you do, generally it makes the car just roll over again unrealistically (TOCA RD2 for example). That's not realism. Having to restart a 24 hour endurance race for rolling your car at the 23rd hour? Suicidal. GT4 has got it right in this area. G-Meter seems a bit farsical but I can live with it.

If we are going to talk about realism, it CAN happen during a real 24h race (as in any other race). And the car can roll on the final lap, and it will be out, period. And the team will have to go home as prepare for the next year... That's not realism?
 
Thanks a lot Wolf, i really appreciate that!
That's made my day...

BeninG: How bad is it with a normal SW then, cos i have a DF3 wheel and i dont really want to have to change. Ill use the controller if need be, i have to in TOCA RD2
woodstock827: people outside North America do care about Muscle Cars. I do, im british, i think Muscle Cars are cool. I'm not saying we need loads of them, but i do like them, and enjoy racing them.

to ppucci: Of course it can happen, but the addition of SEVERAL 24 hour races is annoying enough in my opinion, and i don't therefore think that being able to roll is helpful, if youve been racing for 23 hours and then it all goes boom. GT4 is a real driving SIMULATOR. it;s not real life. If it were real life i wouldn't play it cos real life sucks. I agree, no roll is not totally real but i stated that earlier, be happy with what you have, or as many have so inconsiderately suggested, do it yourself. Fat chance. Just stop complaining and be done with it already!
 
///M-Spec
Two of the most popular brands in China is Buick and Cadillac, where they are both status symbols.


M

not sure about in china... i'm from hk and haven't really seen a great amount of buick and cadillac... but i can certainly tell u that's not the case in HK
tons of mercedes and Rolls Royce rolling around in HK though.... well not tons of rolls royces but alot more than what i see in canada...
 
ppucci
If we are going to talk about realism, it CAN happen during a real 24h race (as in any other race). And the car can roll on the final lap, and it will be out, period. And the team will have to go home as prepare for the next year... That's not realism?

Umm... don't they just score it where it finishes if it rolled on the final lap? I know it would get a DNF, but wouldnt it at least get the position that it was entitled to at finish? I haven't watched a 24 hour race in a couple of years, but if it were one of the last 10 cars running wouldnt it get the 10th place?

Of course, none of this matters as the AI cars wont DNF behind you so you'll still end up 6th. :D
 
woodstock827
not sure about in china... i'm from hk and haven't really seen a great amount of buick and cadillac... but i can certainly tell u that's not the case in HK
tons of mercedes and Rolls Royce rolling around in HK though.... well not tons of rolls royces but alot more than what i see in canada...

Tons of Rolls royce minus the s would be a statement, there need only be one!!! :)
MCX: sorry i dont quite follow that, can you explai a bit more please?
 
Hello...is there anyone that can tell me if the drag strip is or can be available in the 2-player mode?
 
alright... so far i've heard everyone whine and moan about stupid things.... but yeah I love the game and all... but since we're complaining... where is the qualifying mode? Honestly... it's flat out just not FAIR to make you start in 6th place every race... plus with out the qualifying mode how are you going to know how you square up against all the other cars? Does anyone know how to enable or find a qualifying mode???

Victor
 
woodstock827
not sure about in china... i'm from hk and haven't really seen a great amount of buick and cadillac... but i can certainly tell u that's not the case in HK
tons of mercedes and Rolls Royce rolling around in HK though.... well not tons of rolls royces but alot more than what i see in canada...

Hong Kong is a different beast all together. But as for the most populous in the world to their north, Buicks and Caddies are quite the hot ticket. There are many automotive industry articles explaining the explosive growth of the car market in China. You should check them out sometime.

One interesting about the market is their aversion to Japanese cars, which do not sell well there... probably due to lingering resentment from the occupation. American and European cars --particularly Volkswagens, however, do very well there.

Perhaps we'll see some Chinese cars in GT7 or GT8. :D


M
 
GT7 or 8, ill have passed on by then mate, and I'm still in school at the moment. But seriously, i think we have better things to do right now than dream of GT8. Either play GT4 (Americans, Japanese and importers) or dream of it for two weeks time (PAL world).
 
Polyphony001
GT7 or 8, ill have passed on by then mate, and I'm still in school at the moment. But seriously, i think we have better things to do right now than dream of GT8. Either play GT4 (Americans, Japanese and importers) or dream of it for two weeks time (PAL world).

:) If I were in the position to play GT4 at this moment, I assure you I wouldn't be here breaking up silly arguments.


M
 
No question about that....
I hope you do realise M-spec im not involving myself in any argument at the moment, only frowning upon the ones that do exist. I hope that's not the impression you got...
 
I think GT4 is good, but atm i think its way too easy. i started out and got the all the liscences, did first 10 mission halls, sold all cars that i could, bought an 01 RX-7, did the first series, tuned it a bit, went to japan and did the champ ( the one that gives the 350z race car), and now its just a breeze to win every race. not to mention b spec. still tho i like it
 
Polyphony001
Thanks a lot Wolf, i really appreciate that!
That's made my day...

BeninG: How bad is it with a normal SW then, cos i have a DF3 wheel and i dont really want to have to change. Ill use the controller if need be, i have to in TOCA RD2
woodstock827: people outside North America do care about Muscle Cars. I do, im british, i think Muscle Cars are cool. I'm not saying we need loads of them, but i do like them, and enjoy racing them.

to ppucci: Of course it can happen, but the addition of SEVERAL 24 hour races is annoying enough in my opinion, and i don't therefore think that being able to roll is helpful, if youve been racing for 23 hours and then it all goes boom. GT4 is a real driving SIMULATOR. it;s not real life. If it were real life i wouldn't play it cos real life sucks. I agree, no roll is not totally real but i stated that earlier, be happy with what you have, or as many have so inconsiderately suggested, do it yourself. Fat chance. Just stop complaining and be done with it already!

what is SW ? im not sure what you mean.. i have a interact blue thunder. The peddles are perfect as far as sensitivity.. part thrtottle and braking work great.. but its the steering.. I can adjust it from the steering, but either its too sensitive. so when i turn.. it turns too much.. the thing is, its like if i set it a little "looser", then when i turn just a bit it doesnt even do anything and when it hits the "turning" point it turns too much.. i could drive very well in Toca 2 so maybe im just not used to the game but seriously i spent like an hour trying to calibrate it but then got tired of not actually playing the game hehehe so i just took the controller..

maybe im missing some settings in the game for sensitivity.. but i mean i dont see why theres steering wheel settings if theres no way for it to detect that i have a steering wheel.. does the DFP have a USB connection or something that tells the game that you are using a DFP ?
 
Polyphony001
No question about that....
I hope you do realise M-spec im not involving myself in any argument at the moment, only frowning upon the ones that do exist. I hope that's not the impression you got...

Not my impression at all. I'm just here keeping an eye on possible troublespots is all. :) Nice post, btw (the long one).


M
 
Larson0
I think GT4 is good, but atm i think its way too easy. i started out and got the all the liscences, did first 10 mission halls, sold all cars that i could, bought an 01 RX-7, did the first series, tuned it a bit, went to japan and did the champ ( the one that gives the 350z race car), and now its just a breeze to win every race. not to mention b spec. still tho i like it

I doubt everyone will find it that easy....

To M-spec: Cheers, just words of my inner feeling, glad to see my presence in this initially doubtful forum has been beneficial.
 
Larson0
I think GT4 is good, but atm i think its way too easy. i started out and got the all the liscences, did first 10 mission halls, sold all cars that i could, bought an 01 RX-7, did the first series, tuned it a bit, went to japan and did the champ ( the one that gives the 350z race car), and now its just a breeze to win every race. not to mention b spec. still tho i like it

👍 Thank you, at least one person thinks as I do...(almost) NO CHALLENGE in this game.... There should be strict PS classes as in GT2, instead of the very questionable A-spec system...
 
Max_DC
NO 1 : Why? Who cares? You won't have any problems with money in GT4, NEVER. and you can have 1000 cars in your garage...so what?
Roger that. I did not know you could keep 1000 cars. Nice. Still don't like not being able to eliminate any cars I don't want.

Max_DC
NO2 : Ok, you are a multiple project manager; but certainly not in a video game developer studio, and that is where it all ends....
Agreed. I dont claim to know what they have to go through. I know from experience that you have to walk a mile in their shoes. However, if the whole world was watching, I'd make sure my product was polished.

Max_DC
I can be a project manager for anything you can think of, but that doesn't autmatically make me a pro in everything...
Nor does it make me a pro in everything, or anything for that matter.

Max_DC
sorry no offense, but what do you know about the online mode?
Only that people have been playing online with every platform and in every genre for quite a while now. I mean, Neversoft figured out a way to do it through the USB ports in the front of the PS2 with a laptop network adapter before Sony's Network Adapter was ever released. You mean to tell me that the GT4 team couldn't make it happen? Come on. Edit: I suppose the programmers that did Ghost Recon are more talented than PD.

Max_DC
perhaps it was not only a time problem,

Be serious. This is the most delayed game I can ever remember. If they had a time problem, it was mismanagement. At some point you have to say, let's get the game running, work on the physics, get it online, and now lets worry about all these cars, half of which we already have an idea how to model and create the physics for since we've done 3 games, 1 of which was on the PS2.

Max_DC
perhaps it just didn't work or they want to make money by releasing a extra game...

Now you're on to something.

Max_DC
+ selling a game before the end of the year (Japan) is a GT tradition (1,2), people at Sony who wanted the game to be released quickly.... etc etc... sorry but running a small company that sells plastic parts for the interior of cars or whatever can't be compared to producing a top seller multi million dollar game for the No1 in the multi billion dollar console business... there are way to many factors we all won't ever think of ...

Sure. And they made their own bed and now they have to lie in it. Other companies have no trouble coming out with better, more advanced sequels. Are they more talented than PD?

Max_DC
If I may ask, in what type of company do you work and what types of projects are we talking about?

EDIT: I get tired and burned out like everyone else. I wouldn't expect anyone to know what my life is like and I don't pretend to know what the PD programming team went through. You just have to look at what other similar companies are capable of and decide where you want to be on that particular food chain.

If other companies can go online, why can't PD? If it was so they could add more cars, then to hell with that. Let's remember that I wasn't the one that came up with the idea of playing GT4 online. That was all you heard about from their press releases and such. GT4, 600 cars, 50 tracks, and online mode! blah blah blah. Edit: People are disappointed in the game because of all the hype that came along with it, much of which was generated by the company officials.
 
Only disappointment in the game so far is the f-ing autosave. You can't buy cars and actually use them without it saving the car to the card. That seems totally unecessary and for the life of me I can't figure why in the hell they changed it like that. I would have appricated the auto save with the option of not saving on every buy.
 
MCX
...People are disappointed in the game because of all the hype that came along with it, much of which was generated by the developers.

I cut out a lot for space. As a 'developer' myself I just want to be clear on this. By 'developers' we are talking about the company as the game developers not the actual programmers, correct? Programmers generate very little hype.

I see this (by this I mean hype) all the time. All the marketing folks want is good copy. They'll promise the moon if they have to. Actual acheivable dates and functions have no meaning in the marketing world.

Mike
 
does the AI even mod the cars they drive?

it seems all the AI competitors are driving completely stock cars all the time :( if thats the case, that really SUCKS
 
sirlosealot
I cut out a lot for space. As a 'developer' myself I just want to be clear on this. By 'developers' we are talking about the company as the game developers not the actual programmers, correct? Programmers generate very little hype.

I see this (by this I mean hype) all the time. All the marketing folks want is good copy. They'll promise the moon if they have to. Actual acheivable dates and functions have no meaning in the marketing world.

Mike

I generalized them together, my apologies. By development team, I meant company, by developers, I meant programmers for the most part. However, when I used the term "developers" in the above context, I meant the company / marketing types.
 
phantasm
Stop your whining... I’m a policeman you idiot! 👍

Now that we got your daily ARNOLD quote out of the way we can move on to first thoughts of GT4.

There have already been a lot of rants on this board about the game and I have to say it's too bad some members feel the way they do. It's funny too how some of things that changed actually helped fix the same problems many of those members complain about with the GT series. In any regard here we go:

GT4 is AMAZING! 👍 I give PD full credit for bringing the depth they have on a system that is now VERY dated (the PS2). Having played the GT series from day 1, it was nice to have a lot of "new" experiences with GT4, and even though some things can get frustrating initially, in the end, I feel the changes are for the better and will propel the series forward when we hit the new Sony platform and GT5.

1st off, it is way more challenging, even if you’re a solid GT3 player. I couldn't jump right in and dominate in underpowered, non-driver assisted cars. The physics and controls have changed tremendously over previous versions, but IMHO for the better. Cars behave more true to real-life, things like locking brakes, under-oversteer is more pronounced when you get the car squirly, and you can actually steer out of spins (something i found in GT3 when you hit a certain point you were SOL no matter how much countersteer you tried to apply). What this means though, is you have to relearn how to drive in GT. I think that many long time fans will be frustrated with this at first, b/c they expected to strap it on and rule the roads as before. But when you think about it, there's immediate challenge right there, as you have to learn how to get your fast times you were accustomed too.

Having said that, as I started to progress through the B license I found to already start to grasp the limits of the car better, and I have to say the 900 degree DFP RULES! If you want the true GT experience, get 1 immediately. The biggest thing I noticed was steering sensitivity and response varied by car (hey this is true IRL too!). Crappy cars had crappy steering… imagine that. The few high-end cars I drove definitely showed increased performance in that dept. and braking. It’s almost like they all had independent physics and controls ;)

Rallying is COMPLETELY different and will take some getting used to, I think it’s gone too much towards the feel of track driving, but it’s definitely better that the easy drifting of GT3. IMHO I think it’s a step forward not back in terms of this. We’ll see as we get further in if this changes or not.

In terms of AI, I only did a couple of races in Arcade mode to try it out, and the AI is definitely the best it’s been in the GT series. Having said that, it still has a lot of shortcomings and isn’t at the level it needs to be with the series. However, I think the real blame is the old PS2 hardware and not the lack of skill from PD’s developers. I expect GT5 will see a huge improvement in this area.

Graphically the game is STUNNING! A big step up from GT3 (which to date was the best looking game on PS2). Car models are tight, tracks and scenery are vastly improved. And the new menus are really nicely done. The game just looks uber polished.

Cars… cars… cars baby!! Sure complain about this one’s in this one’s out, there’s “too many of this” whatever… no game out there can touch the depth and qty of vehicles in GT. Absolutely amazing, it will leave you wishing you had unlimited credits so you can buy everything and try it out… it’s hard to even figure out where to start (*cough* TVR *cough*). And I can confirm ALL THE PAL update cars are in! Also, Lexus, Infinity, and Scion have been added and Acura has been expanded in the USA section. The FPV GT now has racing stripes in the paint scheme (it looks uber hot), and all the new Euro cars are there as well including the Alpha GT and the full line of Audi’s.

GT Auto is nicely reconfigured and the wing shop looks promising for adding downforce to some cars. Also, the wheel shop is cool with the “Special Wheels” section. Lots of hot looking rims in there which will add some nice flare to your ride. The animations for car wash and oil change are redone and look way better.

Photo mode is AWESOME. I’ve only played around with it for about a ½ hour and it’s going to be something that I spend countless hours in. I love the touch… there’s nothing better than taking hot shots of your rides, and the fact you can save them to a USB stick is all the better. Custom wallpaper galore en route!

First dabble with photo mode:

Anyway, I’ve rambled on enough for now, and can’t wait to finish work today and truly sink my teeth into the game (figuring a good 7-8 hours of play tonight :sly: )

I’ve included a slew of screenies and pics for your viewing pleasure. Loads more to come. Excuse the quality of some, using a digi cam, not a capture card. :cheers:

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Jeeze for once there is someone actually producing a review with some constructive criticism, not just incessant rambling.

👍 👍
 
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