Who thinks GT4 sucks?

[Max_DC]

There hasnt been a skyline in any of the games i havent owned....just shows you how sick i am

American Culture has every reason in the world to be self-centered...economic, scientific and political hub of the world, saved the world from tyrrany on no less than two (possibly three...results pending) times, and thats only the beginning....

Oh, please leave out politics.... that doesn't belong in here... don't want to start a discussion about America's role in the world, that certainly is not that easy as you describe it from your little biased central USA point of view, you seem to have... I want to make clear though that I'm not anti american ...

 

[Zardoz]

...this game oughta be awesome...

Oh, it is. Big time.

Just got it yesterday. Loads and runs with no problems whatsoever. No screen problems at all, and my old Mad Catz wheel works perfectly with default settings.

Graphics and physics are magnificent. I played GT3 for two years and I'm sure I'll go longer with this sucker.

I'm still ticked about the 53 Skylines, but this is an amazing game.

 

[9mm]

Among very few thing that buggers, me the most important are the AI and no single screen replay for 2p battle. Of coure i'd love dammage and hardcore physics, but it's just not what I expected from the GT series at curret stage.
Yes, one may say it's just the old Gran Turismo, just bigger and slightly better. Well it is, and becouse of that it gets 9.5 out of 10 from me.

 

[soldiaboy]

It doesnt suck, but I am a tad bit dissapointed, the bouncing screen is a problem, and when you drive in the new view ( right above the hood) if feels like im driving a monster truck. also what happend the the new view in prolouge? If this was any other racing game I would understand but not from a GT game.

 

[87chevy]

I said GT4 sucks... Not on the whole, but for what i thought i was gonna get, it sucks. I don't know why people are complaining about the physics, that is clearly the crowning jewel of this game. And, about the only jewel.

The TV i'm currently playing on sucks for resolution. so i know i'm not getting the true graphics. but as i said, i could live with GT3 graphics.

One of my biggest concerns was sound quality, engine sound that is, and once again i'm let down. That's a big strike against this game for me. It was one of the few things to impove on and they failed. Tsk Tsk.

I will continue to gripe about the Number of Cars, but, I realize that the Japanese love their cars, so they own about 50% or more of the cars in the game. American cars are not the only ones underrepresented. I believe some of our European members are also disapointed.

And don't get me started on the number of cars that only a very few will actually ever race. ie. the under 100 hp mini-cars.

And, let me re-iterate the Shutter Tones in picture mode. WTF were they thinking? someone spent the time to make sure that in photo mode, your 'camera' could sound different, but no one bothered to figure out what a '69 Camaro SS sounds like with race exhuast??????

"The Real Driving Simulator" couldn't be further from the truth. NASCAR 2004 is exponentially more real than GT4. If you haven't tried career mode in that game, STFU. Until GT puts in realistic damage, their motto will never hold true. And i know the car manufactures aren't the ones preventing their virtual cars from getting smashed up becuase i've seen other games. Yes the physics are probably the closest to real you'll get, but that's it. Graphics don't count, that doesn't make the game, especially not a driving game.

But, i'll play the game, becuase it's new and shiny, and something i haven't done yet. It's a good game, not a great game like i thought it was going to be.

but, that's my opinion, and most likely unique to me. I respect your opinions, becuase, yes, there is not a better alternative. And in that respect, it is the best game around, but it could have easily been soo much more.

 

[S205]

As for American cars:I'm glad they put in the GTO and the 300HemiC. But no Vette C6,agh!

 

[Max_DC]

It doesnt suck, but I am a tad bit dissapointed, the bouncing screen is a problem, and when you drive in the new view ( right above the hood) if feels like im driving a monster truck. also what happend the the new view in prolouge? If this was any other racing game I would understand but not from a GT game.

Well that is because it is NOT right above the hood but on top of the car;
the prologue perspective was too easy, so I think it is ok that they didn't put it in; the reason is maybe that the new perspective is so great to drive or perhaps grafic problems ( you see a lot of sprites etc from that high above perspective)

 

[gunnut]

GT4 Pros (personally)
- drivng physics is more realistic
-new tracks
-better graphics
-convertible tops, that is f'in awesome!
GT4 Cons
-way too many japanese cars (for my taste) and not enough American cars.
-Autosave
-You can't sell the concept cars?!?! that is bull. I don't want some Mazda6 POS, I want the money from it! I'll never drive it! either keep it or get rid of it for nothing. complete bull.


OVERALL I like the game. I found it more challenging to drive and I like that. I'm just glad it came out before PS2 became outdated.

 

[soldiaboy]

Well that is because it is NOT right above the hood but on top of the car;
the prologue perspective was too easy, so I think it is ok that they didn't put it in; the reason is maybe that the new perspective is so great to drive or perhaps grafic problems ( you see a lot of sprites etc from that high above perspective)

o thats for clearing that up

 

[MCX]

-You can't sell the concept cars?!?! that is bull. I don't want some Mazda6 POS, I want the money from it! I'll never drive it! either keep it or get rid of it for nothing. complete bull.

WTH?!? You can't sell the concept cars? That SUCKS! Who wants those cars clogging up their garage. That is a major mistake. Autosave sucks also, although I've heard you can turn it off with "restricted".

About the C6... I'm not a chevrolet fan, but damn there is no excuse for not being able to include that car. If you ask me its just pure laziness not to include one of the most popular american cars latest generation. Jesus, take away a few of the trucks and give us the C6. They should have had the entire truck team working on the C6 instead. WTH! moving on...

GT4 Pros
-Nice graphics
-Good playability

GT4 Cons
-Glitchy graphics
-No vid rewind (add frame by frame button, games have had this FOREVER)
-Can't play with your garage in LAN
-Lots of trucks while no C6
-AI still needs improvement
-Online play requires jumping through hoops thanks to PD
-Missed deadlines and excluded features have a lot of fans looking to other series, which is SAD!

I know that the cons are small issues that people will say "be thankful you got the game". In truth, online play a much hyped feature that is seems the team either wasn't good enough or dedicated enough to include.

Being a multiple project manager in real life, I think it comes down to mismanagement in the GT team. I know that my employers simply would not have accepted missed deadlines and things not getting done. I am not a programmer, and I know that this will piss a lot of people off. Simple rule of business is you either finish the project or make the damn deadline as it is. So if they absolutely HAD to delay the game significantly, then online shouldn't have been scrapped so late in the game, and basic issues like, garage, autosave, flicker, etc, should have been handled. A small delay and scrapping online play would have been acceptable, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one that thought PD would surprise us by including online play with the last delay. What could they possibly have done for the last 3 months? Include more trucks? Localization? WHAT? I KNOW it wasn't playtesting, because the testers that spent all the time building their cars only to race generic arcade models in LAN mode would have pointed this out, or maybe they did and PD just didn't want to deal with it.

They set themselves up to be heavily scrutinized when they delayed this game way beyond the norm. I don't give a damn that they flew 70 people around the world looking at cars and tracks... Less globetrotters and more people in their cubes working, I say.

EDIT: Btw, I like the game a lot, but I really don't feel that the end product was worth the delays.

 

[h0ss]

Quit whining about shutter-tones.

That's a one-day project for a sound designer, and 30 minutes for a programmer. It's not like they spent a lot of effort on that one aspect. They don't take much disk space, either. If it's anything like the games I've worked on, one of the guys on the team got a wild hair one day, and popped them in after-hours.

Nothing got "left out" or "traded off" for the freakin' shutter tones. They're a bonus feature that was, for all intents and purposes, free.

 

[wongb18c]

Cons:
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-SOOO many stupid cars I don't care about, yet NO production Cadillacs, no C6, sooo many Great American cars are missing!
-No damage still kills this game as being the "real racing sim"
-It's got the same STUPID AI drivers,
-Just like GT3 I STILL don't get a good sense of speed out there!
-hardly a difference in graphics.
-The music sucks (Who here DIDN't turn it off right away!!!)
-The engines sound isn't great.
-Autosaves does indeed suck
-I haven't played with the photo mode and don't expect I will.

I agree with 1 con...... SOOO many cars I don't care about... IMO, they shouldn't of put any american muscle cars in at all... also there shouldn't be nitrious dioxide... and the damage should be more realistic.

REALISTIC meaning the freaking AI's shouldn't hit into your car if they want to pass you... the races should be more realistic in the sense that when you want to pass someone you need to make a clean pass... and not let me just ram in on him. I'm a hardcore sim fan.... when I play I try to play as real as possible... when I pass I always try to make a clean pass otherwise I don't pass... but the AI's you can't control.... hence there should be damage.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

they shouldn't of put any american muscle cars in at all.

Why no American cars? We buy more of this damn game than any other country you! *%$#$# 👎 👎 👎

 

[ppucci]

I don't know when they'll announce the working title for the next game in the series, but it's been flying around the office that it will be GT5 Prolonged.

Bwaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahah rolled on the floor on this one!

 

[ppucci]

American Culture has every reason in the world to be self-centered...economic, scientific and political hub of the world, saved the world from tyrrany on no less than two (possibly three...results pending) times, and thats only the beginning....

man, keep your "superheroes of the world" ideas off the forum, pleeeeease.

 

[Polyphony NL]

I feel sorry for a lot of you out here. Most of you are "if" people and "if" never comes by. Anyway when you have a complaint...get it off your chest. Tough stop whining constantly, my kids don't whine as much as a lot of you are doing here.

 

[Solid Lifters]

So in other words you don't like GT4 because you suck..

Okay, thats fair.

There is always gonna be some dicknose that is never happy. I remember when GT3 came out, people saying that the graphics blew. Funny how all the gaming experts will tell you that GT3 was the best llooking racing game anywhere up until GT4, console wise.

If you are gonna ***** about it, go do it somewhere that people wanna hear it.

Did I say it sucked? No. Don't make stuff up you giant idiot. I only stated what I didn't like about it. The game is still great, but a lot different from GT3. I also have the DS2 and the game seems a lot harder with the controller than with the wheel.

 

[Big_V]

Is the drag strip available in 2-player mode?

 

[jb23fan]

Did I say it sucked? No. Don't make stuff up you giant idiot. I only stated what I didn't like about it. The game is still great, but a lot different from GT3. I also have the DS2 and the game seems a lot harder with the controller than with the wheel.

You must be very proud of yourself.

 

[SupraTT]

I agree with 1 con...... SOOO many cars I don't care about... IMO, they shouldn't of put any american muscle cars in at all... also there shouldn't be nitrious dioxide... and the damage should be more realistic.

hahahaha....u said nitrous dioxide....ive never heard of that. i'm guessing u mean oxide.....not dioxide. it just sounds like someone whose complaining so much should know what theyre talking about

 

[akak]

There hasnt been a skyline in any of the games i havent owned....just shows you how sick i am

American Culture has every reason in the world to be self-centered...economic, scientific and political hub of the world, saved the world from tyrrany on no less than two (possibly three...results pending) times, and thats only the beginning....

And I have no idea what shutter tones are...sorry

Oh for the love of god shut up, youll have alot of angry europeans onto you and rightly so

Are all americans so easly lead by george bush?...................SAVE THE WORLD FROM TYRRANY! you sound delusional

Three results?? where are these results, i wouldnt call the war in iraq a result. its a huge bloddy cockup

 

[Max_DC]

WTH?!? You can't sell the concept cars? That SUCKS! Who wants those cars clogging up their garage. That is a major mistake.





Being a multiple project manager in real life, I think it comes down to mismanagement in the GT team. I know that my employers simply would not have accepted missed deadlines and things not getting done. I am not a programmer, and I know that this will piss a lot of people off. Simple rule of business is you either finish the project or make the damn deadline as it is. So if they absolutely HAD to delay the game significantly, then online shouldn't have been scrapped so late in the game, and basic issues like, garage, autosave, flicker, etc, should have been handled. A small delay and scrapping online play would have been acceptable, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one that thought PD would surprise us by including online play with the last delay. What could they possibly have done for the last 3 months? Include more trucks? Localization? WHAT? I KNOW it wasn't playtesting, because the testers that spent all the time building their cars only to race generic arcade models in LAN mode would have pointed this out, or maybe they did and PD just didn't want to deal with it.

They set themselves up to be heavily scrutinized when they delayed this game way beyond the norm. I don't give a damn that they flew 70 people around the world looking at cars and tracks... Less globetrotters and more people in their cubes working, I say.

EDIT: Btw, I like the game a lot, but I really don't feel that the end product was worth the delays.

NO 1 : Why? Who cares? You won't have any problems with money in GT4, NEVER. and you can have 1000 cars in your garage...so what?

NO2 : Ok, you are a multiple project manager; but certainly not in a video game developer studio, and that is where it all ends.... I can be a project manager for anything you can think of, but that doesn't autmatically make me a pro in everything... sorry no offense, but what do you know about the online mode? perhaps it was not only a time problem, perhaps it just didn't work or they want to make money by releasing a extra game... + selling a game before the end of the year (Japan) is a GT tradition (1,2), people at Sony who wanted the game to be released quickly.... etc etc... sorry but running a small company that sells plastic parts for the interior of cars or whatever can't be compared to producing a top seller multi million dollar game for the No1 in the multi billion dollar console business... there are way to many factors we all won't ever think of ...
If I may ask, in what type of company do you work and what types of projects are we talking about?

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

There hasnt been a skyline in any of the games i havent owned....just shows you how sick i am

Did you have the Two below in GT Concept and the other from GT2? I didn't think so!

 

[Danny]

If you don't liek the game, fine. Your entitled to your opinion.

Just don't forget that words are all people can judge you by on here, so choose them carefull.y

 

[BerinG]

GT5 is going to be the best yet, mark my words!

Hahahaha that has to be the best defense I have ever seen! Yeah right, just like GT4 was before it was released.

 

[woodstock827]

um... am i the only person who doesn't care about american cars at all?
yes there are cars i'd like to be in the game, but i'm happy with the selection now...
taking away 50 Skylines and 30 EVOs most likely will not let more other cars in the game... i think...

also... driving 110 on a mini will prob feel faster than 220 in an M3! sense of speed is NOT proportional... and your windshield doesn't go blur in high speeds

having said this.... yes the autosave could be a problem to many ppl.... does US version has this problem too? and yes the AI are dumb, but slightly better than GT3... especially in B-spec mode...

 

[Zardoz]

...American Culture has every reason in the world to be self-centered...economic, scientific and political hub of the world, saved the world from tyrrany on no less than two (possibly three...results pending) times, and thats only the beginning....

On behalf of every American who has a brain that still works (and there are actually quite a few of us) I formally apologize for the above abysmally stupid statement . We really aren't all like this insecure jingoist Bozo.

 

[///M-Spec]

ATTENTION.

If you want to discuss politics, please do it in the Opinions forum. There is even an ongoing thread for this very topic and I'm going to ask everyone to use it if you have a burning desire to voice your opinion.

Otherwise, this matter should be dropped immediately. Thank you in advance for your consideration.


M

 

[BerinG]

well although its pretty easy to add just one extra skyline since its exacly the same car, no need to remodel a car completely.. I would have liked mroe american cars but the overall car selection is fine with me...

If it would be a choice, i'd jsut want all cars that deserve to be in a racing game.. whether it be from australia or spain

i don't see why people don't care about having american cars.. i can understand people not caring for a certain car but.. why specify "american cars"? I don't think they would break down in the game if thats what you mean hehehe ('im from canada so dont accuse me of defending americans or whatever.. I could care less..)

a car is a car.. a race car is a race car..

 

[Polyphony001]

To add my view to this point. I am still waiting for GT4 (being a PAL person) BUT from what i've seen or heard i know plenty enough to post here, shame i can't say that for everyone.

1. I side with both groups on the too many cars front ("Theres like tonnes of skylines, who needs them?" There are too many admittedly, and although i expect bias i think its a little too strong. On the other hand, i do agree that PD is a japanese company, and they are not going to fit in so many american/european cars, and I am happy with that. So GT4 doesn't suck there.

2. Even from sketchy divx videos i can see that the graphics in GT4 are much better than GT3. Expansion packs never focus on better, graphics only more of them, for those GT3.5 people

3. Sounds on Prologue are fantastic and I'm sure GT4 will be the same. I only don't know about the effects of different exhausts/turbos on the sound. My hope is that the dump valve noise returns to proper volume. On the WRX impreza in prologue it was inaudible, but beside that, no complaints.

4. So the soundtrack isn't to my taste (and by the looks of it, not to 99% of people's taste). Big deal. One button press and it's been turned off. No problem there

5. Autosave. I've heard conflicting stories as to what restricted mode does, so im not really sure what to say here. If its not turn-offable, i will be slightly miffed, as some people rightly said earlier, you can't test drive every car in real life, so the reload option was still useful. It's the real driving sim, but hey, its not 100% real, only very close to it. you don't HAVE to cheat if you don't want to!

6. Courses. Saddened with the missing of a few GT2 tracks, but bar that the track choice is very good.

7. Import of GT3 saves. Despite this feature, i'll prefer to start from scratch. The only license tests i may find incredibly difficult will be those that my past GT3 save couldn't help me with anyway!

8. Car physics. Look fine to me mate. No rolling of cars, but if you do, generally it makes the car just roll over again unrealistically (TOCA RD2 for example). That's not realism. Having to restart a 24 hour endurance race for rolling your car at the 23rd hour? Suicidal. GT4 has got it right in this area. G-Meter seems a bit farsical but I can live with it.

They're my views, and I hope I can persuade you that not all folks still GT4less are only capable of incomprehensible GT4-slagging-off nonsense.