Why do others play online with SRF off

[gamerdog6482]

Whatever. Whatever I post in this thread you are just going to dismiss it and attack people.

 

[rosckolove]

My mistake on assuming you were the OP. But most of that post you quoted still applies to you..

I'm only dismissing it because its to time consuming to reply to it and disect it the way you did. Basically, you can just reread the thread a few times and maybe you could see why i didn't want to take that time?

 

[XPOWER180]

You really need to check post number 1 here, Rosckolove and then you might realise that I didn't ask the question! Just like I havn't said I use driving aids and so forth. So my deal, it would appear, is your ignorance towards me and others based upon your lack of attention to the original post of this thread. Drop your attitude.

 

[otakukid96]

I need to figure out how to quote multiple people.

@gamerdog6482 i'm sorry but the majority of my justification was previously in this thread, i'm not going to take the time to point them out to you, its way to hard/time consuming for me to quote people.

@otakukid96 My answer to your entire paragraph is... go play in a room that allows the aids. AND we do tolerate less skilled drivers, when they can at least not disrupt our race. Hard to understand?

I do understand. It is just that it seems that a lot of people who don't use them seem to insult us. I'm just a little tired of it all, and just wish people could accept everyone else. Also, to multiquote, press the button next to the quote button, the one that looks like 2 overlapping speech bubbles, on what ever posts you want to quote, then hit the quote button.

 

[XPOWER180]

I do understand. It is just that it seems that a lot of people who don't use them seem to insult us. I'm just a little tired of it all, and just wish people could accept everyone else. Also, to multiquote, press the button next to the quote button, the one that looks like 2 overlapping speech bubbles, on what ever posts you want to quote, then hit the quote button.

You see what he did there, Rosckolove? He helped someone and tolerated someone who didn't know quite how to use the system rather than call them names. He was the 'big boy' as he offered help rather than a slagging off session.

 

[rosckolove]

You really need to check post number 1 here, Rosckolove and then you might realise that I didn't ask the question! Just like I havn't said I use driving aids and so forth. So my deal, it would appear, is your ignorance towards me and others based upon your lack of attention to the original post of this thread. Drop your attitude.

Ok dude, so like i said my mistake for the assumption. But most of what i said was in reply to you, and YOUR attitude. So i won't be dropping anything pal.

I help people online, i answer questions in forums. But with a lack of comprehension that makes me repeat myself as you can't grasp whats being said. And if you notice. I am only being incredibly rude to you. Think there might be a reason for that?

 

[XPOWER180]

I'm not your pal and thankfuly never will be.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I have tried driving with SRF off but my car slides like it's on ice, even on Racing Soft tires.How do I increase rear grip?

Maybe these will help, if you don't mind fiddling with the tune :

Increase positive rear toe, +0.23 to +50, experiment away - this will increase stability in straight and corner exit but has a few drawbacks as well, understeer for one.

Adjust rear camber between 1.0 to 3.0, too much camber is not good for tire wear and traction on corner exits.

If the front toe is negative value ( tire points outward ), reduce it, a neutral toe 0.00 should be fine. If your driving style do not conflict, try positive toe : +0.5 to 0.10 should do.

Tune the LSD settings, increase initial torque value by 5 and try to drive it, do so until the rear felt tighter and easier to handle, then stop. Increase the acceleration sensitivity by 5 until you feel more understeer when exiting a corner. If the values making the car harder to turn and goes wide, reduce by 1 the initial and accel until you are satisfied.

Hopefully what I have said above would make you Camaro SS ZL1 replica would be less prone to oversteer and easier to handle.

I suggest to do this using comfort tires, the changes are easier felt, don't pushed the car too hard, be gentle and try to feel the subtlety of tuning changes. Once the car drive well with comfort, change to sports and racing tire, see if there's anything that still need to be fixed.

I recommend to try the car at a track you are familiar with, something with wide radius corner and a hairpin, exits with high gear but open the throttle early on corner exits to feel the changes.

Don't forget to turn off SRF, TCS, or any other aids to get better feeling of the car.

 

[XPOWER180]

Maybe these will help, if you don't mind fiddling with the tune :

Increase positive rear toe, +0.23 to +50, experiment away - this will increase stability in straight and corner exit but has a few drawbacks as well, understeer for one.

Adjust rear camber between 1.0 to 3.0, too much camber is not good for tire wear and traction on corner exits.

If the front toe is negative value ( tire points outward ), reduce it, a neutral toe 0.00 should be fine. If your driving style do not conflict, try positive toe : +0.5 to 0.10 should do.

Tune the LSD settings, increase initial torque value by 5 and try to drive it, do so until the rear felt tighter and easier to handle, then stop. Increase the acceleration sensitivity by 5 until you feel more understeer when exiting a corner. If the values making the car harder to turn and goes wide, reduce by 1 the initial and accel until you are satisfied.

Hopefully what I have said above would make you Camaro SS ZL1 replica would be less prone to oversteer and easier to handle.

I suggest to do this using comfort tires, the changes are easier felt, don't pushed the car too hard, be gentle and try to feel the subtlety of tuning changes.
I recommend to try the car at a track you are familiar with, something with wide radius corner and a hairpin, exits with high gear but open the throttle early on corner exits to feel the changes.

This is great advice for anyone who is wanting to learn to drive without the aids. And i'd just like to add that the Nurburgring GP-F is an ideal circuit as it offers all of the above. A great car to learn with too is the Mercedes SLS. It's got a great natural balance and should ease you into it in a positive way. Good luck :-)

 

[berettagt88]

I do understand. It is just that it seems a lot of people who don't use them seem to insult us. I'm just a little tired of it all, and just wish people could accept everyone else. Also, to multiquote, press the button next to the quote button, the one that looks like 2 overlapping speech bubbles, on what ever posts you want to quote, then hit the quote button.

Thanks for the help on multi quoting I'm still learning to tune suspension and LSD, so I guess from now on I need to tune with all aids off except abs 1 . I didn't know asking a question was going to start a argument, I hope we can settle our differences and just race together and have fun

 

[XPOWER180]

Thanks for the help on multi quoting I'm still learning to tune suspension and LSD, so I guess from now on I need to tune with all aids off except abs 1 . I didn't know asking a question was going to start a argument, I hope we can settle our differences and just race together and have fun

Well said. You will be more than welcomed to join my rooms. Let us know here how you get along with the tuning advice and your transition from dropping the driving aids but above all remember, if you can't or don't feel comfortable without them, just remember it's your game and you can make your own online lounges to suit your requirements.

 

[berettagt88]

Maybe these will help, if you don't mind fiddling with the tune :

Increase positive rear toe, +0.23 to +50, experiment away - this will increase stability in straight and corner exit but has a few drawbacks as well, understeer for one.

Adjust rear camber between 1.0 to 3.0, too much camber is not good for tire wear and traction on corner exits.

If the front toe is negative value ( tire points outward ), reduce it, a neutral toe 0.00 should be fine. If your driving style do not conflict, try positive toe : +0.5 to 0.10 should do.

Tune the LSD settings, increase initial torque value by 5 and try to drive it, do so until the rear felt tighter and easier to handle, then stop. Increase the acceleration sensitivity by 5 until you feel more understeer when exiting a corner. If the values making the car harder to turn and goes wide, reduce by 1 the initial and accel until you are satisfied.

Hopefully what I have said above would make you Camaro SS ZL1 replica would be less prone to oversteer and easier to handle.

I suggest to do this using comfort tires, the changes are easier felt, don't pushed the car too hard, be gentle and try to feel the subtlety of tuning changes. Once the car drive well with comfort, change to sports and racing tire, see if there's anything that still need to be fixed.

I recommend to try the car at a track you are familiar with, something with wide radius corner and a hairpin, exits with high gear but open the throttle early on corner exits to feel the changes.

Don't forget to turn off SRF, TCS, or any other aids to get better feeling of the car.

Thanks this will help alot: I've been adjusting camber and toe for better handling but with SRF,It will be a totally new experiance without it. thanks for the info

This is great advice for anyone who is wanting to learn to drive without the aids. And i'd just like to add that the Nurburgring GP-F is an ideal circuit as it offers all of the above. A great car to learn with too is the Mercedes SLS. It's got a great natural balance and should ease you into it in a positive way. Good luck :-)

I tune at Nurburgring Nordschleife but I will try GP
variation also thanks for the help

 

[berettagt88]

Well said. You will be more than welcomed to join my rooms. Let us know here how you get along with the tuning advice and your transition from dropping the driving aids but above all remember, if you can't or don't feel comfortable without them, just remember it's your game and you can make your own online lounges to suit your requirements.

ok FR beretta-gt88 for another friend I'm very interested in racing with ya and anyone else who want's to race with me

 

[P0UP0N]

To add to Ridox's advice...

If equipped, you can lower front downforce and increase rear downforce.
Raise the rear ride height and soften the rear springs.
Have the anti-roll bar harder in the back than the front.
Harder rear compression in the springs will also help.

 

[gtnoobie]

I don't understand why anyone disables the use of driving aids in their rooms. Just because some people might feel fine driving in one way doesn't mean everyone does and it seems unfair to force an opinion like that, especially when 90% of the games cars would use these or similar driving aids in real life!! I always allow driving aids in my rooms. I only ever have TC on 1 personaly and that's just to help the car out of gravel traps when i get rammed off but i'm more than happy to let my room guests drive their cars as they feel happy with. Too much elitist snobbery exists within this game and that's what people often forget - it's a game.

There's nothing wrong with driving aids per say. In fact, they are godsend when I have trouble winning any seasonal (Tsukuba 80 with mx5 lead or Lamborghini ring). The problem with srf in particular is, it always makes you faster whether or not you like it. So far, none has stated racing with srf is slower though some find it unnatural. That's why, for any racing to be on level playing field, it is either disabled or everyone is 'forced' to use srf to be competitive assuming similar skills and car performance. Just as it is wrong to force someone to play a spec or seasonal according to your standard, it is wrong to impose srf on everyone who can drive without if the host can drive without. In a spec, it is just a game which sometimes just for fun you use midget to win the AI lotus. In an online race, it is more a competition you'll prefer to win.
Simple thing to join rooms which meets your need or host one.

 

[tlsuth41]

Xpower180 I feel it is my comment that brought your response of not allowing any aids in a room


I am not an elitist snob. Frankly I do take offense to that comment.👎 I was just attempting to tell the op that to my mind SRF is the only aid that can not be reproduced in any real car. It is an artificial aid that to me in MY room is simply not acceptable.

If this is not agreeable to anyone they are more than capable of starting their own room or finding one that allows artificial help.

No claims to be anything better than anyone else I just want the game to be as realistic as possible.

 

[TJC_69]

Your lack of comprehension is what i consider pathetic. Friends get together and enjoy fast paced heart puming clean racing. Getting it all ruined by some idiot that doesn't know what he is doing (yourself possibly)
gets very frustrating.

Pretty certain that you're not allowed to insinuate that another GTP user is an '' Idiot '' . I've hit my report button to let the mods take a look into it .

Go play somewhere else, and stay out of the big boys way.

Who do you think you are exactly ? Senna ? Pretty sure there are more than 50+ top drivers that could wipe you clean off the map from this site alone to be honest ... Other people here are right to pull you up on your attitude towards them ... You post in this guise in the '' ABS 0 '' thread also i've noticed

This thing your sticking up for is known as "pathetic driving ability" and its within our right to keep it out of our rooms because it ruins the fun of capable people.

Like i said man. Go play mario kart.

Everyone has different skill levels in regards to who plays this game . I myself went through a '' Hardcore '' GT5 kinda phase , other players are casual players etc ... You have no right to tell them how to play , or to not play at all in this case .

As my great granddaddy TJC_1869 would say ;
'' When you make it your ultimate crusade to whine and moan about a computer game ... it only shows that you're trying too hard to make up for something that's missing from your life son .... ''

 

[Exorcet]

I have tried driving with SRF off but my car slides like it's on ice, even on Racing Soft tires.How do I increase rear grip?

Without SRF, the traction circle becomes more important. You need to balance lateral tire load with longitudiental. In order words, don't try to corner as hard as you can while accelerating or braking as hard as you can. A good start point would be to practice throttle modulation during mid corner.

As far as car settings, I would look to the LSD first. Setting accel to very low values will keep power oversteer in check. Perhaps begin with minimum LSD accel and move up a little to improve balance when you get comfortable.

I don't understand why anyone disables the use of driving aids in their rooms.

SRF is faster than non, so disabling it makes perfect sense. The other aids make cars slower, but I guess someone just starting to drive with aids off might not be able to keep up with TCS enabled drivers.

so people turn super grippy glue tires off, because they like the realism factor of this game, they didn't buy mario car for a reason. realism is that reason.

So basically, every single person should have skid recovery disabled, and there would be nothing elitist about it. most people don't use it, and allowing some to use it would then be unfair.

GT5 is not the right place to go for ultimate realism, so there is a problem with your argument. GT5, even with max sim options, can be considered a form of Mario Kart in some areas. That's the truth.

Turning skid recovery force off keeps a huge portion of those people out. AND its an unfair advantage when used.

Former is debatable. Latter is complete garbage. SRF can never be an unfair advantage. Either it's allowed or it's not. If it's allowed, it's fair. If it's not, you can't use it anyway.

 

[rosckolove]

Pretty certain that you're not allowed to insinuate that another GTP user is an '' Idiot '' . I've hit my report button to let the mods take a look into it .

Didn't mean to, I meant the "doesn't know what he is doing part"
Thanks for being such a great moderator. Shame you missed the "Elitist Snob" and "Pathetic" parts.

Who do you think you are exactly ? Senna ? Pretty sure there are more than 50+ top drivers that could wipe you clean off the map from this site alone to be honest ... Other people here are right to pull you up on your attitude towards them ... You post in this guise in the '' ABS 0 '' thread also i've noticed

Can you please quote the part where i said I'm a top driver?
I'm a pretty capable driver. And i only find pleasure in racing with other capable drivers. Besides, if your list is only around 50 drivers, i think i'm doing pretty good.

Oh and was that an ABS-0 thread? i thought it was about a Bugatti? You might want to double check that entire thread.

You have no right to tell them how to play , or to not play at all in this case .

When did i tell them how to play? Oh that time when they join MY room?
Please explain why i can't dictate how they play in MY room.

As my great granddaddy TJC_1869 would say ;
'' When you make it your ultimate crusade to whine and moan about a computer game ... it only shows that you're trying to hard to make up for something that's missing from your life son .... ''

Get a hold of yourself, for your sake.

GT5 is not the right place to go for ultimate realism, so there is a problem with your argument. GT5, even with max sim options, can be considered a form of Mario Kart in some areas. That's the truth.

This is a forum, for GT5 and the last time i checked it was only supported on PS3. Can you tell me what is more realistic than GT5 for a PS3? And i think the majority of people on this forum are interested in some type of realism, thats why they DIDN'T buy Mario Kart.

Former is debatable. Latter is complete garbage. SRF can never be an unfair advantage. Either it's allowed or it's not. If it's allowed, it's fair. If it's not, you can't use it anyway.

Ok well its unfair assuming that some of us refuse to use it, sorry i should have clarified. Is it fair if someone uses skid recovery to get on the Nurburgring lap time leader board? It wouldn't be fair, because we don't even consider it an option, But to not be an elitist snob, it would be unfairly allowed. Make sense at all? i didn't do a good job explaining that one.

this quoting thing was a nightmare, you guys are dedicated.

I didn't want to turn this into an argument thread so i stopped when everything was settled, But i will continue to reply if my posts are dissected improperly.

 

[TJC_69]

Didn't mean to, I meant the "doesn't know what he is doing part"
Thanks for being such a great moderator. Shame you missed the "Elitist Snob" and "Pathetic" parts.

Maybe so , that was how I read it though ...
I'm not a mod , ( Obviously ) and hold no ambitions as such . Just thought you needed a wake up call . No , I didn't miss those parts . However your whole demeanour towards less experienced players does radiate more than a touch a GT5 elitist snobbery in my opinion .

Can you please quote the part where i said I'm a top driver?
I'm a pretty capable driver. And i only find pleasure in racing with other capable drivers. Besides, if your list is only around 50 drivers, i think i'm doing pretty good.

Again , I picked this up from your attitude towards players . If you go around belittling players driving styles then I would have the skills to back it up if I were you . You are of course welcome to add my PSN and see how fast you can run the 'Ring against me if you wish ?

When did i tell them how to play? Oh that time when they join MY room?
Please explain why i can't dictate how they play in MY room.

If you don't want people to join your room , then you can always run in the lounge with your friends . Belittling a drivers skill level for using aids / or thinking your way of playing GT is the only way it should be played , is completely pointless and negative . Why not let them run with you and teach them a few tricks if they want to learn ?

Get a hold of yourself, for your sake.

Granddaddy was always full of good advice .... I gotta admit

 

[rosckolove]

Maybe so , that was how I read it though ...
I'm not a mod , ( Obviously ) and hold no ambitions as such . Just thought you needed a wake up call . No , I didn't miss those parts . However your whole demeanour towards less experienced players does radiate more than a touch a GT5 elitist snobbery in my opinion .

Well my point of it was thanks, but maybe you shouldn't single me out and maybe do a better job, of doing a job that isn't yours to do anyway.

Again , I picked this up from your attitude towards players . If you go around belittling players driving styles then I would have the skills to back it up if I were you . You are of course welcome to add my PSN and see how fast you can run the 'Ring against me if you wish ?

Maybe you should stop trying to pick up anything other than what i said. You haven't been doing a good job.

I'll race you no problem. Is tonight good for you?

If you don't want people to join your room , then you can always run in the lounge with your friends . Belittling a drivers skill level for using aids / or thinking your way of playing GT is the only way it should be played , is completely pointless and negative . Why not let them run with you and teach them a few tricks if they want to learn ?

Your literally wasting time now, this wasn't a conversation about my room at all, i was replying to your first attempt of saying i was "dictating the way people play" people that don't know how to go fast aren't a problem (they can and do stay), its people that get in the way. I stated that clearly somewhere already. No where am i dictating how people should play, except in my room. So can you make that your last attempt please?

 

[Exorcet]

This is a forum, for GT5 and the last time i checked it was only supported on PS3. Can you tell me what is more realistic than GT5 for a PS3? And i think the majority of people on this forum are interested in some type of realism, thats why they DIDN'T buy Mario Kart.

Yes it is a forum, but what console GT5 is on doesn't matter. I bought Forza 3 after I bought GT5.

Mario Kart isn't for PS3 though.

Ok well its unfair assuming that some of us refuse to use it, sorry i should have clarified. Is it fair if someone uses skid recovery to get on the Nurburgring lap time leader board? It wouldn't be fair, because we don't even consider it an option, But to not be an elitist snob, it would be unfairly allowed. Make sense at all? i didn't do a good job explaining that one.

The fact that SRF is fully controllable from the lobby options nulls this though. Nothing can be unfair if it is allowed. If SRF could not be forced off, and the host asked all players to not use SRF, then and only then would SRF provide an unfair advantage. This is impossible in GT5.

As for the Nurburgring board, the only important question is if SRF is allowed or not.

 

[rosckolove]

Yes it is a forum, but what console GT5 is on doesn't matter. I bought Forza 3 after I bought GT5.

Mario Kart isn't for PS3 though.






The fact that SRF is fully controllable from the lobby options nulls this though. Nothing can be unfair if it is allowed. If SRF could not be forced off, and the host asked all players to not use SRF, then and only then would SRF provide an unfair advantage. This is impossible in GT5.

As for the Nurburgring board, the only important question is if SRF is allowed or not.

We are not on the same wave length at all.

Anyway i give up, i don't really care about this argument. Lets stay on topic

 

[P0UP0N]

Anyone care to get back on topic instead of instigating a flame war?

 

[TJC_69]

Well my point of it was thanks, but maybe you shouldn't single me out and maybe do a better job, of doing a job that isn't yours to do anyway.

You're welcome 👍

Maybe you should stop trying to pick up anything other than what i said. You haven't been doing a good job.

I'll race you no problem. Is tonight good for you?

Debatable ... but considering it's 4.55am here and i'll be getting ready for work soon , then I would say i've not done all that bad

Hmmm , depends on the time difference etc . Your '' Tonight '' would probably be my very early morning . Hit me up with a PSN request , and we'll figure out a time that's convenient 👍

Your literally wasting time now, this wasn't a conversation about my room at all, i was replying to your first attempt of saying i was "dictating the way people play" people that don't know how to go fast aren't a problem (they can and do stay), its people that get in the way. I stated that clearly somewhere already. No where am i dictating how people should play, except in my room. So can you make that your last attempt please?

Probably is the case yes . Really ?? Then what's this all about then ?

When did i tell them how to play? Oh that time when they join MY room?
Please explain why i can't dictate how they play in MY room.

If you are not talking about your room , then why are you talking about your room ? Puzzled at that one ...

You weren't dictating ? So what's this then ?

So basically, every single person should have skid recovery disabled...

And my last attempt ? Just getting warmed up

On topic though : SRF is a great beginners tool if you are new to the GT series . If you are comfortable using it then feel free to set up rooms and join them with this option enabled .

If you are happy enough to not use it then the same in reverse .

EDIT : Agree also to flame war observations , last post from me on the aforementioned subject 👍

 

[berettagt88]

I have noticed after two separate laps at Nurburgring Nordschleife in my 2012 Camaro ZL1 replica with SRF off,TC off and ABS 1 my lap times have went from 8:43.xxx to 7:58.xxx and 3 laps at Grand Valley in a stock Corvette Z06 only aero added that SRF off seams more realistic at least from what I remember when I had a '89 Camaro RS with a 350 V8 auto when I would stomp the gas the back tires broke loose and it slid a little sideways I feel I've been driving wrong this whole time since 4/11/12. Without SRF it's going to take some time for me to learn to control the gas better but I believe I can in time

 

[rosckolove]

You're welcome 👍



Debatable ... but considering it's 4.55am here and i'll be getting ready for work soon , then I would say i've not done all that bad

Hmmm , depends on the time difference etc . Your '' Tonight '' would probably be my very early morning . Hit me up with a PSN request , and we'll figure out a time that's convenient 👍



Probably is the case yes . Really ?? Then what's this all about then ?



If you are not talking about your room , then why are you talking about your room ? Puzzled at that one ...

You weren't dictating ? So what's this then ?


And my last attempt ? Just getting warmed up

On topic though : SRF is a great beginners tool if you are new to the GT series . If you are comfortable using it then feel free to set up rooms and join them with this option enabled .

If you are happy enough to not use it then the same in reverse .

EDIT : Agree also to flame war observations , last post from me on the aforementioned subject 👍

I think there might be a language barrier here, or maybe use a little common sense when quoting me as your not even correctly replying in any way to what i am saying in previous posts. Your taking everything i type out of its original context, then coming in with your way of looking uhh "witty?" and trying to making it look like i'm implying something other then what would be obvious with that context. I am not even going to bother replying to you anymore. As you can't even argue correctly.

That being said please don't get "warmed up" at all, it would probably make a few people heads explode, and it is still off topic.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

I have tried driving with SRF off but my car slides like it's on ice, even on Racing Soft tires.How do I increase rear grip?

Slowly apply brakes before entering a corner and once you reach the apex slowly apply the throttle. The fewer aids you use the better your skills will increase.

 

[rosckolove]

your never going to make up the grip you lost turning skid recovery off, so don't expect that, but a big amount is retainable with the right tune, what car/track/tires are you using?

 

[TJC_69]

I think there might be a language barrier here, as your not even correctly replying in any way to what i am saying in previous posts. Your taking everything i type out of its original context, then coming in with your way of looking uhh "witty?" and trying to making it look like i'm implying something other then what would be obvious with that context. I am not even going to bother replying to you anymore. As you can't even argue correctly.

No i'm not , but i'll let you win the debate on the premise that i'm a fair sport .

Don't forget the PSN add , I wanna see what an ABS 0 pro can do ... please be gentle with me

@berettagt88

Well done and happy motoring 👍