Why is "Duping" so frowned upon as cheating when rubberband grinding is fine?

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So I don't get it... it's wrong and cheating to dupe cars, but it's fine to rubber band grind ovals for cash?

Why is there any difference? Neither is how the game was "meant" to be played and both solve a problem that is a shortcoming with the game (ie cash payout scale) so why is one so frowned upon and the other just looked at as "oh that's ok"?

I mean rubber band grinding is one step away from a "push button get cash" solution and ultimately no different other than the fact your PS3 has to be on gobbling electricity to make it happen.

And Duping is an extension of the "push button get cash" option so I don't get why the GT crowd seems to feel like one is ok but the other isn't...
 
Is "rubber-band grinding" that trick where you put a rubber-band on the analog sticks?
 
Time versus reward.
 
Toronado
Is "rubber-band grinding" that trick where you put a rubber-band on the analog sticks?
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Yes, and in addition, plug a keyboard with jammed "Enter" key to continuously press "Confirm" during the prize money/XP/restart screen.

I don't have any clue why this isn't consider cheating like duping, as you even get XP from it. It helps people with the huge XP requirements to level 40.
 
Devedander
So I don't get it... it's wrong and cheating to dupe cars, but it's fine to rubber band grind ovals for cash?
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Both seem rather pointless to me. If someone feels the need to do so, well, fine. I don't like or do either, though.
 
Because rubberband grinding still takes time. I don't do either though, I just press X every 10 minutes so Bob can make money for me.
 
Takes time but its not time you have to be there or do anything so essentially its the same as a button you can use once every x hours to get cash... Neither of them involve the gameplayers time so I still don't see the moral difference.

Let's say recovering a save game backup took 3 hours instead of 1 minute, would it then be less "cheating"?

It seems to me any moral difference needs to be based on how much work you put in vs reward and in both cases work is virtually none for the reward.

That said I don't see how rubber band grinding is really much different then giving bob an x2010 and walking away while he gets you money.
 
VTiRoj
Because rubberband grinding still takes time. I don't do either though, I just press X every 10 minutes so Bob can make money for me.
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This, To dupe a 20mil car takes what? 10 minutes? To rubber-band-grind it, it takes...22-25h? I guess that's a difference.
 
Alex p.
This, To dupe a 20mil car takes what? 10 minutes? To rubber-band-grind it, it takes...22-25h? I guess that's a difference.
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I was thinking moral difference since the term "cheater" usually implies immorality... Duping gets you something for virtually no work and so does rubber banding and bspeccing with an x2010
All of which are arguably "not how it was meant to be done."
 
Luminis
Both seem rather pointless to me. If someone feels the need to do so, well, fine. I don't like or do either, though.
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It might be because the thing with the rubber-band isn't anything new.

It was a common trick back in the GT3 days to the extent that it was printed in magazines at the time (in fact, I first read about it in EGM, and I saw it in OPM as well). You couldn't do it in GT4 due to GT4's much more rigid controller configurations, but GT4 has B-Spec so it basically allowed the same thing.
 
Why do you even care? Just play the game the way YOU see fit, ignore everything else.
 
I think the difference is that one uses the actual game mechanics through a shortcut, the other completely bypasses the game.
 
Coxis
Why do you even care? Just play the game the way YOU see fit, ignore everything else.
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Its not about whether I care, but I am curious what the rationale is from those who are vocally adament about it.
 
Toronado
It might be because the thing with the rubber-band isn't anything new.
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But that's doesn't matter really. It's like: "use an old uneffective cheat or use a new effective cheat". Niether of those invloves gameplay.
So it's kinda funny to see those replies, like " because it takes times". Since when uneffective methods became a better methods if the result is the same?

I think it's just the matter of the own beliefs.
 
If you ask me, both is cheating, as both methods give you an advantage in the game (cash and in second case even xp) by bypassing or abusing the actual game mechanics. I don't use either of them, but to each his own.
 
Anyone who's ever done done any real ticket grinding knows it takes plenty of time and patience.
 
I guess some people get irritated when you dont play the game like they do.

Personally I like having a rainbow of McLarens and am more concerned with how good you drive a car rather than how you go about getting said car.

GT5's catch phrase is "The Real Driving Simulator", not "The Real Car Dealership".
 
Or 'The real life simulator' where you have to work your ass off until middle age before you get to buy a nice car :lol:
 
If you're asking me, if you have to go out of your way to do it, I'd call it cheating.

Creating multiple PSN accounts and restoring your game save every five minutes? Yep, going out of your way to do so. In my opinion, that's cheating.

Using rubber bands and a keyboard and whatever else is needed to auto-grind? Again, yep, going out of your way and, thus, is in my opinion cheating as well.

The only legit way to gain something without doing anything for it is running B-Spec, in my opinion, as you're not going out of your way to do so. Basically, the game allows you to do it without doing something that you wouldn't normally do.

I, personally, frown upon all of those methods equally :lol:
But, as I said, if someone feels tthe need to do so, well, whatever floats their boat.

As long as people don't start to claim that you can't have a life if you're playing GT5 without duping/glitching/rubber banding/cheating/whatever, I don't care.
Happens quite often, though :lol:
 
I've done 10 times the trick that allow you to buy a car and mantain the same amount of credits by restoring the old save game, basically because I don't have the time to grind all the day and when I play GT5, I only want to enjoy the cars that I like. To me the most important thing is how do you drive a car, and not how you obtained it. Considering that I don't play online so much, I use them just for my pleasure in practice, so I don't feel "bad" for doing that, and I don't mind how other people obtain their cars. So, rubber band grinding and duping is ok IMHO.
 
No one said "rubber band" grinding is fine. Where did you get your info? It's clever, yes. Duping, not clever- it's pretty obvious.

I never did it because it's a waste of time (like B-spec), but found it entertaining that it works (saw video), simply because GT5 is supposed to be realistic, so this should never ever work, but yet it does.
 
Devedander
So I don't get it... it's wrong and cheating to dupe cars, but it's fine to rubber band grind ovals for cash?

Why is there any difference? Neither is how the game was "meant" to be played and both solve a problem that is a shortcoming with the game (ie cash payout scale) so why is one so frowned upon and the other just looked at as "oh that's ok"?


I mean rubber band grinding is one step away from a "push button get cash" solution and ultimately no different other than the fact your PS3 has to be on gobbling electricity to make it happen.

And Duping is an extension of the "push button get cash" option so I don't get why the GT crowd seems to feel like one is ok but the other isn't...
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Because people dupe to get free cars. While people need to do boring grinding to buy cars they want, thus the rubber band trick was made.
 
PD made it so ridiculously time consuming, difficult to get XP and money, im ok with "cheating" if there is no real change in the stupid grind.
 
Devedander
I was thinking moral difference since the term "cheater" usually implies immorality... Duping gets you something for virtually no work and so does rubber banding and bspeccing with an x2010
All of which are arguably "not how it was meant to be done."
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Bspeccing with an X2010 is consider cheating even though you earn the x2010 yourself? LOL.
 
I left my PS3 Running all last night rubber band grinding Like the Wind Indy with 3:30 second races making 84k each time. X that by 6 hours or so?

Im at over 10 million credits and was under a million before.
 
VTiRoj
Because rubberband grinding still takes time. I don't do either though, I just press X every 10 minutes so Bob can make money for me.
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Technically, duping takes time, as well. To the best of my knowledge, nobody has yet created an auto-dupe hack by which we simply press a button and instantly have another of the same car. Instead, to dupe you must register another account, bounce back and forth between accounts, swap cars (or whatever else) back and forth, backup saves, and restore saves, all of which takes at least a little time.
 
It probably has to do with the rarity factor or something. I don't dupe myself but grinding is different in the sense you're racing to build up money for [insert car]
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Duping is frowned upon because its "un-natural". Grinding is something you can actually do in the game, whereas duping is not something you can do in the game.
 
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