Why so many "standard" cars in GT6?

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I think it's down to the fact of customers/developers patience and the hardware on the PS3.

We all know we had a massive wait for GT5, so long in fact that polyphony released gt "prologue" to keep the fans happy. Detailing over 1000 cars to where they all have the same detail as the rest would have taken a long time. A time so long not all customers would want to wait that long. Polyphony would have ran the risk of losing customers and another game on the PS3 platform (GT6 came out near the end of the PS3's life time obviously) Overall it would have been best to lose a bit of detail on some cars to keep GT fans relatively happy with the series. In GT6 the standard cars are more detailed but they still are lacking in design from the other premium cars. Polyphony didn't spend much of their time working on the detailing of all 1400+ cars that went into GT6 since they didn't have time as they wanted the game to be for the PS3 as they were busy working with businesses on the side (such as those companies with suspension and tires) Also, they've stated that they made GT6 utilize the most of the PS3 as possible. So maybe that played a part in it as well.

Maybe in GT7 we'll see a big leap of design in all cars, however they expect the game to come out sometime next year. This leaves them with little time. And since Kaz has said that standard cars will still be implemented on GT7, this is (hopefully) bitter sweet . Hopefully they're working on improving car sounds, physics, aerodynamics, customization etc in GT7 and it'll be easier to make games for the PS4 so we should see some improvements all around in GT7 They'll also be in GT7 because he doesn't want to take them away from people who actually like them. He said that he's sure some of them are some people's favorite and he doesn't want to take that away from people which is totally understandable and respectful in my opinion

Sorry for the big paragraphs, just wanted to voice my opinion :D
 
Doodle
[Face palming intensifies]

I have expectations too you know. I just want the driving feel to be very similar to what it is now, slightly improved graphics, and maybe clean up some of the jagged edges on a few of these so called 'standard cars'. Like I've said a million times, if you don't like 'em, don't use 'em!!
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Say it 2 million times, it doesn't make it anymore valid or logical or carry any more weight than, "if you like standards, play GT3-6".
 
Johnnypenso
Say it 2 million times, it doesn't make it anymore valid or logical or carry any more weight than, "if you like standards, play GT3-6".
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So are you telling me I'm not allowed to use 'standards' on GT7?
 
Doodle
So are you telling me I'm not allowed to use 'standards' on GT7?
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I'm saying that if you think "if you don't like them, don't use them" is a valid argument for their inclusion in GT7, then, "if you like them, play GT3-6" is just as valid on the other side. In other words, neither one of them is a defensible position.

Put the shoe on the other foot. Say Kaz said there would be no standards in GT7. You claim standards are overwhelmingly popular so the forums would be alight with standard lovers decrying the loss of their favourite cars and rightfully so. On the other side of the argument would be people saying, "If you love standards, go play GT3-6 and leave us alone with our premiums", and of course they'd have the high ground and come across as smug and superior.

If the shoe was on the other foot, would you read that statement and just say, "Oh yeah, you're right, I can always dust off my PS2 or PS3 and play one of the old games, how did I miss that? Gee, thanks fellas for pointing that out"

Somehow I doubt that would be your reaction, nor the general reaction of the community. But magically you and many others, think those that want an all premium next-gen game should accept reasoning you yourself would not accept if standards were gone.
 
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If you like them (standard cars), play GT3-6 is not logical nor valid argument. It is also not related to "if you don't like them, don't use them".

Someone can like standard cars and play other games other than GT3-6. Liking standard cars does not make that person to play ONLY GT3-6.

Anyways, the IDEAL situation is having all cars being premium. However, that is probably not feasible to PD with so many constrains they have in hand such as cost, time, and the focus on something else such as sound, physics and etc.

Do you think it is logical to keep crying about the standard cars? If so, please continue so. I think it is not a wise path though.

Johnnypenso
I'm saying that if you think "if you don't like them, don't use them" is a valid argument for their inclusion in GT7, then, "if you like them, play GT3-6" is just as valid on the other side. In other words, neither one of them is a defensible position.
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FSportIS
If you like them (standard cars), play GT3-6 is not logical nor valid argument. It is also not related to "if you don't like them, don't use them".

Someone can like standard cars and play other games other than GT3-6. Liking standard cars does not make that person to play ONLY GT3-6.
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Yes it does. Don't pretend it isn't.
 
So you mean whoever like standard cars can not play any other games other than GT3-6. Yeah you are right :)

The discussion is getting more and more meaningless as some of you keep crying about standard cars. I think it is not wise to cry about it. It is your final choice to continue crying though because that action itself is an option as well :)

I choose not to cry about standard cars. It doesn't mean i like them, I just simply buy premium cars in the game and call it a day. That is it.
 
People, people, please...just....settle down... Stop arguing. As a person who's taken a logic class I can say there's been some illogical stuff said here but can we get back to what the question is about please?
 
Flamango247
People, people, please...just....settle down... Stop arguing. As a person who's taken a logic class I can say there's been some illogical stuff said here but can we get back to what the question is about please?
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Okay, no problem. Why so many standard cars in GT6? Because quanitity over quality and for sales point.
 
TokoTurismo
Okay, no problem. Why so many standard cars in GT6? Because quanitity over quality and for sales point.
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Read my first comment on this thread :) It's not just quantity over quality
 
FSportIS
So you mean whoever like standard cars can not play any other games other than GT3-6. Yeah you are right :)

The discussion is getting more and more meaningless as some of you keep crying about standard cars. I think it is not wise to cry about it. It is your final choice to continue crying though because that action itself is an option as well :)

I choose not to cry about standard cars. It doesn't mean i like them, I just simply buy premium cars in the game and call it a day. That is it.
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I would suggest that if you can't have a discussion with someone without resorting to labeling them as "crying" because they take a position you don't agree with, it's time to bow out of the discussion.
 
I can understand that Kaz would put the standards in the game as an option but when customers see that some of their favourite cars are left alone with horrible jagged edges it would seem reasonable to complain. In my opinion, some of the greatest cars in the game are standards which shouldve been premiumised or atleast semi-premiumised.
 
SuzukaStar
Are you racing or are you spectating? The amount of pixels or polygons or whatever on a car don't matter to me on the racetrack, and they barely matter to me while watching the replay.
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They matter quite a bit if there's an obvious difference in the quality of the models. It makes the game seem even more of an unfinished job.

Stop defending the indefensible. No matter what justification you can dream up, the fact is that having standard cars makes the game look sloppy and unfinished. It makes PD look half as competent as they used to be.
 
I don't think they look that bad... Over 500 of the best looking cars available on a last gen console which competes with some of the cars on the new consoles today makes up for the standard cars. The standard cars look good, not as good as the other cars but still good. If you don't like them, you don't have to use them. There's 500 different cars you can use almost each of which will do the same thing as a standard.
 
Flamango247
I think it's down to the fact of customers/developers patience and the hardware on the PS3.

We all know we had a massive wait for GT5, so long in fact that polyphony released gt "prologue" to keep the fans happy. Detailing over 1000 cars to where they all have the same detail as the rest would have taken a long time. A time so long not all customers would want to wait that long. Polyphony would have ran the risk of losing customers and another game on the PS3 platform (GT6 came out near the end of the PS3's life time obviously) Overall it would have been best to lose a bit of detail on some cars to keep GT fans relatively happy with the series. In GT6 the standard cars are more detailed but they still are lacking in design from the other premium cars. Polyphony didn't spend much of their time working on the detailing of all 1400+ cars that went into GT6 since they didn't have time as they wanted the game to be for the PS3 as they were busy working with businesses on the side (such as those companies with suspension and tires) Also, they've stated that they made GT6 utilize the most of the PS3 as possible. So maybe that played a part in it as well.

Maybe in GT7 we'll see a big leap of design in all cars, however they expect the game to come out sometime next year. This leaves them with little time. And since Kaz has said that standard cars will still be implemented on GT7, this is (hopefully) bitter sweet . Hopefully they're working on improving car sounds, physics, aerodynamics, customization etc in GT7 and it'll be easier to make games for the PS4 so we should see some improvements all around in GT7 They'll also be in GT7 because he doesn't want to take them away from people who actually like them. He said that he's sure some of them are some people's favorite and he doesn't want to take that away from people which is totally understandable and respectful in my opinion

Sorry for the big paragraphs, just wanted to voice my opinion :D
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Why so many "standard" cars in GT6?

Because too many GT fans have accepted it and not spoken up about not wanting them. Why should PD change then some die hard GT fans have expressed that PD can do nothing wrong?
 
Flamango247
There's 500 different cars you can use almost each of which will do the same thing as a standard.
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Firstly, there's not 500 premiums even if you count all the duplicates.
Secondly, there's all the duplicates (yes, within the premium car count too. Hello, Base Models!)
 
SuzukaStar
Standards handle like premiums, and that should matter to simulation fans a bit more than pixel quality.
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You make it sound like you can't care about both.
 
Flamango247
I don't think they look that bad... Over 500 of the best looking cars available on a last gen console which competes with some of the cars on the new consoles today makes up for the standard cars. The standard cars look good, not as good as the other cars but still good. If you don't like them, you don't have to use them. There's 500 different cars you can use almost each of which will do the same thing as a standard.
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What cars from GT6 compete with the next generation console cars and which next gen game are you referring to? Certainly not FM5.
 
You can't even put the number plates on ANY standard car, not even the semi-premium cars. This should also be used as proof that standard cars shouldn't be brought over to GT7. What's the point of keeping them if they don't get the same treatment?
 
Blkout
What cars from GT6 compete with the next generation console cars and which next gen game are you referring to? Certainly not FM5.
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They look close to the cars from the trailers of the "project cars" in detail. The way they look in the wet or the way they sound compared to cars in Project Cars, GT6 can't compete.
 
Why so many standard cars?

Because:

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Which got them from:

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Which got it's car list from:

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Blame GT4.
 
Well, the great standard vs the premium debate, I use both and will continue to do so. Standard vs premium does not matter to me. I do not study the interiors and I drive in bumper cam as it provides less distractions for me.

PS I have won and lost mostly lost in both style cars
 
To a certain extent, yes.
 
TokoTurismo
Okay, no problem. Why so many standard cars in GT6? Because quanitity over quality and for sales point.
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Quantity over quality? They ported the cars from old GTs. You are a troll, toko. People on other forums know this even and mention you at times when GTP comes up. I kid you not, I have seen it with my own eyes on reddit. 1200 cars is indeed a good selling point, but when you are porting them...it doesn't sacrifice anything. Just extras.
 
332i
Quantity over quality? They ported the cars from old GTs. You are a troll, toko. People on other forums know this even and mention you at times when GTP comes up. I kid you not, I have seen it with my own eyes on reddit. 1200 cars is indeed a good selling point, but when you are porting them...it doesn't sacrifice anything. Just extras.
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*Yawn* Yeah go ahead and call me a troll over the truth. :rolleyes: Let's have over 1200 cars with 800 of them being ports from a last gen game... It's good to have extras in games, but when the game doesn't allow or let you utilize all of them, than what's the point of having those extras in the first place?

Here comes the next excuse. La la la I can't hear you...
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