Why the hate against "race cars"?

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I'm not familiar with other tracks but on Nurburgring online, I see a lot more "no race cars" races. Why the hate against "race" cars?
 
Yep. Most people just want to tune -up and race "street cars". Not everyone is a good driver and when you get a bunch of people on line racing the faster you go the worse you race. So in order to have somewhat decent races hosts eliminate race cars from competition.

I personally love 'em!
 
I personally don't like to use production cars. May be it's me but I feel that they handle so awful. They just can't turn the way race cars turn!

By the way, I hate the X1. It's no fun driving the fastest car on the road. :) Where's the competition?
 
Dont get me wrong race cars are my first love; but there are some production cars that are a joy to drive. If you haven't check out the Ferrari 458 and the BMW Z4M. The Shelby 427 Cobra and the Lambo Gallardo are also fun to drive. But when I feel the need for speed; gotta break out a race car and get on La Sarthe!
 
I personally don't like to use production cars. May be it's me but I feel that they handle so awful. They just can't turn the way race cars turn!

By the way, I hate the X1. It's no fun driving the fastest car on the road. :) Where's the competition?

True, which is why people don't like to race production cars against racers. Imagine setting up a room with your friends, then some kid turns up in an X2010 and ruins you fun.
It is not hate, its just a preference.
Also the real life Nurburgring is packed with production cars, it seems to be well suited to them.

Got to agree on the X2010, no fun whatsoever. Its only good for B-spec:tup:
 
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Yep. Most people just want to tune -up and race "street cars". Not everyone is a good driver and when you get a bunch of people on line racing the faster you go the worse you race. So in order to have somewhat decent races hosts eliminate race cars from competition.

I personally love 'em!

Actually I think you have that backwards. Most race cars with their massive amounts of downforce and good handling require less "skill" to drive quickly than a streetcar.
Better drivers or those looking to improve their driving skills use streetcars for this reason.
 
I like to race in anything. I'm in two racing series, one for production cars and the other for Le Mans cars. Both are equally fun. Really haven't been in an open lobby too much lately. A lot of hate going on huh?
 
Get the BMW M3 '07 or the Amuse S2000 GT1 Turbo and you dont want to drive
racecars anymore! Well not really, but these cars are really fun to drive! Roadcars and Racecars arent just the same, i mean the concepts are extremely different, means a road car will never be as fast as the raceversion of itself. In reallife everything is moved so the balance is perfect, which with roadcars isnt possible (in the way they do it with rc)
 
Race cars just blow others away and some people in the game use nothing other than race cars, which I don't have a problem with. Production cars make it a bit more interesting. To make it more fun don't use racing tires. Use only sports, or even better comforts. Very interesting races.
 
Well i guess because people want to have a street car only race, as there are also people that want a race car only race. Races with both street and race cars are still kinda imbalanced imo, because the race cars have a far better cornering speed, so this restriction is just a kind of balancing i guess.
 
I like to race in anything. I'm in two racing series, one for production cars and the other for Le Mans cars. Both are equally fun. Really haven't been in an open lobby too much lately. A lot of hate going on huh?

LM Cars have got to be the most annoying to race online:yuck:
In any race over 3 laps, someone's either:
1. Spun out, crashed, and wandered into the direct line of someone else
2. Worn down their tyres and done what happened in #1
3. pulled a +30 sec lead over the pack because the others are busy complaining on who punted them


LM races are either for careful, clean drivers or for quick witted, smart drivers.
 
I think its not hate but a irritation as I often find in lobby's this:
You and other players are having close races. A new player joins in the next race he comes last. In an attempt to win he pulls out a superior race car. During the next race he crashes into every one making a race less enjoyable
Because of this you see more often road cars only or gt500 or a similar car type
Is not hate we just impose it to make racing more fun and close
 
Because downforce isn't given enough weight by the PP system, so in many tracks a race car would walk a street car driven by two identical drivers.
 
There is a overwhelming advantage between race cars and road/production cars. Weight, the center of gravity, and down force are all greatly improved on race cars. The light weight makes cornering speeds much greater and saves tire wear for endurance type races. The lower the car, the more it is glued to the road due to the center of gravity and air travel (air is over, not under creating suction). Down force is 2 times the amount then production cars making high speed cornering stable when traveling at a high rate of speed. I forgot to mention the dynamics too (engine placement, roll cage, etc). I know its a game (physics are 👍), but it is noticeable.
 
There is a overwhelming advantage between race cars and road/production cars. Weight, the center of gravity, and down force are all greatly improved on race cars. The light weight makes cornering speeds much greater and saves tire wear for endurance type races. The lower the car, the more it is glued to the road due to the center of gravity and air travel (air is over, not under creating suction). Down force is 2 times the amount then production cars making high speed cornering stable when traveling at a high rate of speed. I forgot to mention the dynamics too (engine placement, roll cage, etc). I know its a game (physics are 👍), but it is noticeable.

Well, PP greatly balances this, though some say it's not enough. On Sarthe though, you're better off in a highly tuned road car probably.
 
Well, PP greatly balances this, though some say it's not enough. On Sarthe though, you're better off in a highly tuned road car probably.

Yes, but I wanted to point out that it saves tire wear on endurance races (big help), and that handling is always better then power (Race Car > Production -under same PP).
 
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Race cars are fun. Street cars are fun.

People who try to bring race cars into street car races are annoying.

I really enjoy GT500/300 cars on Fuji, Nurburgring GP, and Suzuka.
 
handling is always better then power

How so? Sarthe is a good counter example. Also, if you do have more power you have an easier time passing. It's a lot easier to just breeze by on the straights then it is on the turns. Power and cornering aren't better than one another, it's how much of each you have that matters.

The reason why PP doesn't perfectly iron out performance between cars is because it's not supposed to. There are only two ways to do that: make all cars drive the same or take the track into account for PP. The former is just one make racing, the latter might be difficult to pull off.

I don't really think there is an issue with the PP system. I've beaten the race cars with road cars. Maybe the tracks in GT are a bit more biased toward cornering overall and that's why it seems like the PP system is "off".
 
People who try to bring race cars into street car races are annoying.

Exactly that ^^^

It's not that people hate race cars. It's that people like to race road cars too... and they want to make it clear that's what they're doing in there, and race cars are not welcome.

It's hard for sensible adult newbies to be prepared for the ridiculous things that go on in some of the pub lobbies...
Like jokers who try to bring race cars in to "cheat" against road cars, and get easy wins.

Of course that wouldn't make sense to a rational adult. But just remember you don't know who's in a pub lobby... Kids play this game too. Don't you doubt it.

The player could be 8 years old, and just not understand it doesn't make sense.
They see a race... and hey, to a little kid, why would he bring anything BUT his fastest car to a race? In a little kid's mind, anything else wouldn't make sense.
Kids don't understand nuances. It probably takes a certain level of maturity & chronological age to understand the concept of "making a challenge for oneself". That's why kids games are often far more structured than games for adults. They need guidance and clear objectives, and distinct game provided challenge.

And sometimes the only thing the kids understand is a big fat "NO RACE CARS" sign.
They can't be reasoned with. They just have to be told NO, and then kicked (out of the lobby) if they don't listen up.

Then there's the teen population. Now, I'm not saying all teenagers are the same, or very silly. Because I know that's not true. Many teens enjoy the game in the same way that many adults do. But they do have a scientifically proven tendency toward shorter attention spans and pronounced mood swings. It's completely natural.
Like you could be in a room with them and hear that they're teenagers on the mics, because their voice tone is somewhere between boy-to-man. And one minute you could be in a clean shuffle race room that's actually great fun... I don't mind playing with kids if they're playing the way I like to play.
But one minute it could be a clean shuffle race... And then the hormonal emotional tide swings and BOOM, on goes the boost on HIGH, and the mayhem begins. LOL

Of course there also could be the "gamer" goofball types, or maybe there's also just mentally unbalanced people who think it's fun to win even if they're cheating in an obvious & outlandish fashion.
But I think most of the time, the griefers are simply unsupervised little kids who just don't understand, and just don't know any better.
 
How so? Sarthe is a good counter example. Also, if you do have more power you have an easier time passing. It's a lot easier to just breeze by on the straights then it is on the turns. Power and cornering aren't better than one another, it's how much of each you have that matters.

OK, I was agreeing with you that Sarthe is a track where power is the best bet to win (without chicanes). Another track that would require HP is Special 7, but I think that covers it. That's probably 5% of every track on GT5, give or take.

There is no denying that with moderate (not extreme) differences handling most of the time is better then power with same PP, especially in endurance races. Think about how long your tire wear will last with a heavy car vs a lighter car, not to mention cornering speeds that are greater. Its only logic. That was the point I was trying to make.

I will also agree, that striking the balance between both will have the advantage when properly tuned.
 
Well, if the title is like "streetcars" and a person brings a race car to the cruise/race, then he deserves to get kicked and reported to PSN, because he clearly didnt follow the "rules" of the server. Or if the title is "clean drag", and people bring like race cars and x1, then he deserves to get kicked aswell, because who on earth brings those cars to a street style drag race?

If people dont listen, they get a warning, then they are out.

Yes, i hate race cars and x1.
 
What if the title is misleading?
Most hosts especially the ones in the US, have the typical "cop" attitude which is "might is right". Just because he's the host, he acts like a jerk...handing out rules out of his azs and kicking with no warnings.

The most annoying ones ate the ones who can stop talking.

It's very rare to find a good host and a good game online.

Personally, it's hard to find races that allow race cars with no driving aids. Either a lot of people can't drive fast with no driving aids or there's something fun about production cars that I'm missing. But I hate using production cars though. They just suck.

Those of you who are so good at driving production cars, why are so afraid of racing cars? I'm sure you're faster than the average race car driver?

I say have a requirement that say 'no race cars' in the title if you dont want race cars.
 
You want a race car based room, start one yourself. Seems like the simplest solution. As for the bias towards production cars, that probably has something to do with a primary focus of the entire series being on the ability to drive and tune cars you might actually own.
 
The most annoying ones ate the ones who can stop talking.

It's very rare to find a good host and a good game online.

Personally, it's hard to find races that allow race cars with no driving aids. Either a lot of people can't drive fast with no driving aids or there's something fun about production cars that I'm missing. But I hate using production cars though. They just suck.

Well, I race almost every night with a group of friends, allways with race cars damage and no aids, it can be Nascar, LMP at Le Mans, GT500 at nurbur... everything goes.
We just don't like two things, laggers and cheaters...

Feel free to join....

PS: We talk a lot though.... :p:lol:
 
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