Will General Motors declare bankruptcy?

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gmc is intended to be the upmarket truck brand, while cadillac is the upmarket car brand. cadillac's only foray into the truck market is the escalade, which is a necessity for a premium brand. also the srx, but that vehicle's height is lower than the dodge grand caravan's, so it's a car for all intents and purposes.

gmc displays its upmarket truck skills in several products: envoy, envoy denali, yukon denali, and high-end sierra pickups come to mind, as they are all upmarket versions of chevrolets.

note than gmc has never produced a car.
 
It's not just luxury, and it's not just heavier-duty, it's generally both, though sometimes maybe just one, it could be either depending on model.
Frankly, for all the extra cash, you'll likely need OC to really get the value for all the extra cash you'll spend on a GMC over chevy...but maybe I don't get real caught up in luxury
 
GMC is to Chevrolet as Pontiac is to Chevrolet. Essentially they are exactly the same vehicles, but thow on some minor stylistic changes, new badges on the grille, and change the interior, and youve got yourself a GMC.

My family has been driving Chevrolets and GMCs for years, and with expirience I can confidently say there isnt much of a difference between them. GMC claims that they are "Professional Grade" but the only difference I see is somewhat better standard features and some different options on the Canyon, Envoy, Sierra, and Yukon.

However, the Denali lineup is what makes GMC more like the "Lux Chev" that they are played out to be. Hell, the origional Escalde was baisicly a rebadged Yukon Denali... Caddy was jelous of the big sales, and they must have throught "Why don't we have an SUV yet?" And thus, it was written, the Escalade became the choise vehicle of CEO's and Rappers across this great nation...

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Once again, GMC's typically have better and heavier duty suspensions and brakes. GMC's are...were supposed to be the work horse truck, but it's kinda fizzled away.
 
YSSMAN
GMC claims that they are "Professional Grade" but the only difference I see is somewhat better standard features and some different options on the Canyon, Envoy, Sierra, and Yukon.
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Yeah, that and stuff like "Hemi" is a load of b crap I've ever heard. :lol:

YSSMAN
Hell, the origional Escalde was baisicly a rebadged Yukon Denali... Caddy was jelous of the big sales, and they must have throught "Why don't we have an SUV yet?" And thus, it was written, the Escalade became the choise vehicle of CEO's and Rappers across this great nation...
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:lol: I'd expect nothing else from them. :dopey:
 
Well, atleast with more recent models, the only features GMC has had to sell trucks were the more powerful engine choises, four-wheel stering (thats gone now), and the strange Envoy XUV...

The HEMI thing has gotten out of hand. I'm glad that someone had the balls to build great OHV V8s like GM, but when they said they were going to increase the size of the HEMI badges on all of their cars and trucks for 2006, its just stupid...

There is even a Dodge dealer here in Grand Rapids that had a HEMI sign outside to draw customers in...

I just think it is sad that so many people know the name HEMI, but dont know what a HEMI is...
 
And the new HEMI isn't even a true Hemi anymore, sure they have opposing valves but the new Hemi's combustion chamber isn't fully hemispherical.
 
It's funny though, GM stock is starting to go back up...and on Monday I'm buying $3500 worth of it.
 
I dunno if it is just me, but Rick Wagner has to go... He may not be the worst CEO in the company's history, but at the moment they need people who take risks to be put in control...

Wager needs the loosen the chain on Lutz and let him go crazy with the cars the brands need to build. They need to hire in engineers and stylists who arent afraid of the management and build cars and trucks that people want to buy. Where are the Harveys, Duntovs, and DeLoreans that we need to jumpstart a troubled company?

If GM wants to cut costs, I suggest they start to cut models. They need to trim back the GMT360 (Trailblazer) platform variants, and severely trim the lineups at Pontiac, Buick, and GMC (which they have talked about before).
 
YSSMAN
I dunno if it is just me, but Rick Wagner has to go... He may not be the worst CEO in the company's history, but at the moment they need people who take risks to be put in control...

If GM wants to cut costs, I suggest they start to cut models. They need to trim back the GMT360 (Trailblazer) platform variants, and severely trim the lineups at Pontiac, Buick, and GMC (which they have talked about before).
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Risk no... Revamping yes...

Lutz seems like the only bright spot there to me.. Everyone else is running around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's kinda like the Borg but no collective mind. :dopey:

Cut models duh...
 
Wagoner is a bastard, I don't like him and every meeting I was in with him he had the lamest ideas ever.

Lutz is a grumpy old man, but knows some stuff I would guess.

GM shouldn't cut Buick, that's a bad idea. But Pontiac they don't really need..the Soltice could be handed to Saturn for the Sky, the G6 could become a Chevy, the Torrent could replace the Equinox, the mini van could disapper, and the GTO could become the Nova or something as a Chevy.

GMC won't disband because they build trucks...like big trucks.

The GMT-360 Platform is good, now that they are losing the SSR. But the Trailblazer/Envoy have dated back a ways. The Rainer should be droped for the Enclave. The Saab 9-7 is just sexy and the Isuzu thing is just crap...like everything else they build.
 
BlazinXtreme
Lutz is a grumpy old man, but knows some stuff I would guess.

GM shouldn't cut Buick, that's a bad idea.

GMC won't disband because they build trucks...like big trucks.
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He brought back Chrysler...

They still have some old people left to sell them too. :dopey: :lol:

there's still some previous GM owners that will continue to waste gas and wanna buy trucks.
 
In the early 80's the K car saved Chrysler. They did it again with the LH platform in '93, and now the LX series in invigorating their whole product line once again.

GM has yet to design one good platform that can underpin a whole slew of cars. There is a bright spot here and there (Epsilon, for example), but nothing stands out.
 
Last time I checked the truck market is still huge....but I'm talk trucks...like these:

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What are you talking about? You know the pickup truck market is huge. If it wasn't the F-150 wouldn't be the best selling vehicle in the WORLD.
 
Pickup trucks are well sold to the consumer market. I think on any given day I see more trucks and SUV's then cars.
 
Fire Wagoner's ass, dump Saab like Enron stock and sell Hummer back to the govenrment. The H3 isn't going to revitalize sales (it just won't. People know that the H3 isn't a real Hummer). GM has been pumping money into Saab with no return for years. And Wagoner isn't fixing anything. While we're at it, kill off Saturn. Pontiac has brand heritage. Saturn does not, and all of their cars are rebadged (now ugly) Chevrolets. The Saturn Sky can't even save the brand now, because
  1. People who buy Saturns do not buy sports cars, as a rule. The Ion Red Line is the exception that proves the rule.
  2. The Sky is stupidly overstyled.
  3. The Solstice Coupe would be a better appropriation of funds than the Sky.
  4. The VUE is a shadow of it's former self, making it totally worthless.
  5. The Chevy versions of the Saturn products are just as good or better in every way (Ie. Equinox vs. VUE. The VUE incredibly cramped inside, which the Equinox is not.).
 
Saturn does not, and all of their cars are rebadged (now ugly) Chevrolets
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They are more of a rebadged Opel...and soon Saturn will be Opel of America.
 
BlazinXtreme
Pickup trucks are well sold to the consumer market. I think on any given day I see more trucks and SUV's then cars.
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referring to the dump truck...

they probably specify if it's for commercial or consumer too.
 
Because it would sell about as well as that MR-S thing from Toyota. Also I would guess it would be around the 30K mark, making it seem more senseable to just spend some more money and get an Elise.

But they might.
 
:odd: Top gear said it was better than an Elise and last time I checked Elise was doing ok over here... :dopey:

Also, if they wanna be gutsy why not bring out something like this then instead of the same boring rebadged crap. :rolleyes: I could easily see this as a Saturn.
 
To make my statement more clear:

When I talked about cutting lineups, I was refering to cutting models... Pontiac rebadges too many Chevrolets, and the same can be said for Buick and GMC.

Pontiac needs to drop the Torrent, Montana SV6, and the possible G8 sedan...
Buick needs to cut the Raineer and Rendezvous (sp?) for the new crossover...
GMC needs to figure out a way to make their trucks different...

Saab and Hummer should both stay in the lineups, but they may need to restructure as well. GM (IMO) should dump Suzuki and Isuzu, but keep Daewoo as they are essential to strong GM sales in Asia.

THIS:
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PLUS THIS:
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EQUALS THIS:
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...The Sky is going to be the same as the new Opel Speedster and Vauxhall VX220 replacements... The same can be said of the new Saturn Aura wich will be the same as the new Vectra...
 
The Saturn Aura is an amazing looking car...I'm glad they got rid of the goofy looking L-series look.
 

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