Will General Motors declare bankruptcy?

[Poverty]

But yes I don't know to many guys around mine and my brother's age who wouldn't want a GTO, Corvette, CobaltSS, etc. So yes teenagers want their cars. That's not even mentioning trucks.

Yeah I will give you those 3 but not the trucks. Some gangsta kids might want the escalade wit some 44 rimz naa meen but kids dont want trucks.

But each of those are sports cars. Now if you look at BMWs lineup kids over here lust after even the poverty spec models of their entire range barring the 7 series.

 

[Joey D]

The new Tahoe, Silverado, Yukon, Sierra, Avalanche, Escalade, etc.

 

[Joey D]

Yeah I will give you those 3 but not the trucks. Some gangsta kids might want the escalade wit some 44 rimz naa meen but kids dont want trucks.

But each of those are sports cars. Now if you look at BMWs lineup kids over here lust after even the poverty spec models of their entire range barring the 7 series.

Wrong, several teenage guys want a Silverado or a Colorado. And back when the Xtreme's were out a ton of teenagers wanted on...including me.

But teenagers don't give a damn for the most part about BMW's in America. In fact out of all the guys I know between 16-22 most of them want a Charger SRT-8.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah I will give you those 3 but not the trucks. Some gangsta kids might want the escalade wit some 44 rimz naa meen but kids dont want trucks.

But each of those are sports cars. Now if you look at BMWs lineup kids over here lust after even the poverty spec models of their entire range barring the 7 series.

Eh, not true to much either.

I've seen some young kids around here starting to drive around in SS model trucks.

Then again, this is Texas and kids tend to want American trucks in this state than luxury.

 

[Raghavan]

GM will surpass Ford selling the GMT900's, you want to know why? The first Hybrid full sized trucks. You get great mileage and can still pull your boat and haul the kids around. And I meant billions of dollars worth, not in actualy product, shame on me for not typing clear.

But in wintery states most people won't buy a RWD car because of the weather. My truck is rear wheel drive, with all seaons on it, and its not very powerful and even I have some trouble in the snow. I can only imagine how a 300hp car would do. But most people will not buy RWD because they are worse in the snow.

Plus like I said people don't buy a car based on drivetrain (unless its AWD then people assume it's awesome), but I promise you that the number one selling factor in cars in looks, options, and horsepower numbers.

Great mileage my ass. GM's hybrids are very weak. Car and Driver said that the hybrid Silverado got 1 mpg better than the non hybrid truck. I dobut the new ones wil lbe much better.

And you have trouble in the snow because your truck doesn't have all the new tractio ncontrol stuff, does it? they're so smart now, they know when to cut power to the wheels, when to apply brakes, and all that jazz. Your truck is older, so it doesn't have all that stuff. I even drove an old 80's corolla GTS in the snow on all seasons and didn't have any problems whatsoever, even though it doesn't have tractio ncontrol.

And many people buy cars based on drivetrains. I and many people refuse to buy cars unless theyr'e RWD. It doesn't matter to us enthusiaists, not so much to average people, but make it RWD so the enthusiasts will enjoy it and average people don't care.

RWD cars are bad in snow is just a myth. It's not true anymore.

 

[Joey D]

Eh, not true to much either.

I've seen some young kids around here starting to drive around in SS model trucks.

Then again, this is Texas and kids tend to want American trucks in this state than luxury.

Every red blood American man wants a truck on some level...it's just want society has taught us.

 

[Poverty]

GM will surpass Ford selling the GMT900's, you want to know why? The first Hybrid full sized trucks

Now heres the funny thing about GM's hybrids. A couple gus having been saying that as of yet theyre non existant and that the one GM gave to a magazine for a preview was indeed a fake with just a hybrid engine cover.

 

[Poverty]

Wrong, several teenage guys want a Silverado or a Colorado. And back when the Xtreme's were out a ton of teenagers wanted on...including me.

But teenagers don't give a damn for the most part about BMW's in America. In fact out of all the guys I know between 16-22 most of them want a Charger SRT-8.

Ok I conceed. Shows just how similair yet different our societies are.

 

[Raghavan]

Blazin', I may be wrong, but the GMT900's...are you referring to the GM SUV's?

Yup the tahoe, suburban and escalade and yukon will be buillt off the GMT900 cahssis.

 

[Joey D]

Here is the Tahoe hybrid, it's going to be at the NAIAS. It's not fake what-so-ever considering it's at the auto show. What a dumb thing to say, and I'd like to know where you got that so I can tell those guys they are a bunch of dumbasses.

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And you have trouble in the snow because your truck doesn't have all the new tractio ncontrol stuff, does it? they're so smart now, they know when to cut power to the wheels, when to apply brakes, and all that jazz. Your truck is older, so it doesn't have all that stuff. I even drove an old 80's corolla GTS in the snow on all seasons and didn't have any problems whatsoever, even though it doesn't have tractio ncontrol.

Beats me what it has, but it's by no means old. It's a 2003, that's pretty new. And you are going to have more trouble in the snow with a RWD then a FWD or AWD...RWD might be better now but they still have problems.

And many people buy cars based on drivetrains. I and many people refuse to buy cars unless theyr'e RWD. It doesn't matter to us enthusiaists, not so much to average people, but make it RWD so the enthusiasts will enjoy it and average people don't care.

Only people I know are the ones who buy trucks. But a majority of the people jsut don't care.

 

[McLaren]

Every red blood American man wants a truck on some level...it's just want society has taught us.

Not me though I probably haven't reached that point yet.

 

[Joey D]

Not me though I probably haven't reached that point yet.

I think every man does at one point in his life.

 

[Raghavan]

Here is the Tahoe hybrid, it's going to be at the NAIAS. It's not fake what-so-ever considering it's at the auto show. What a dumb thing to say, and I'd like to know where you got that so I can tell those guys they are a bunch of dumbasses.

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Beats me what it has, but it's by no means old. It's a 2003, that's pretty new. And you are going to have more trouble in the snow with a RWD then a FWD or AWD...RWD might be better now but they still have problems.



Only people I know are the ones who buy trucks. But a majority of the people jsut don't care.

Well, they are Car and Driver, a bunch of crazy ledfoots, so that could be the reason, but remember that hybrids rarely reach their EPA gas mileage listings.

And I didn't knkow that it was a 2003, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't have all the tractio ncontrol stuff so that's probably why you were having trouble with your truck in the snow.

and a bunch of us currently don't have cars at school because we refuse to drive anything other than RWD and a manual. It's just what people want again these days. People are realizing that RWD is more fun and is easily drivealbe in snow.

 

[Poverty]

Here is the Tahoe hybrid, it's going to be at the NAIAS. It's not fake what-so-ever considering it's at the auto show. What a dumb thing to say, and I'd like to know where you got that so I can tell those guys they are a bunch of dumbasses.

The thing is they are saying that the model on display is a fake aswell. They said for anyone going to the show they should challenge the GM men to open up to hood and he bets they wont. He also said that the hybrid tahoe will only be on display for something like 90 minutes?

 

[Joey D]

Well, they are Car and Driver, a bunch of crazy ledfoots, so that could be the reason, but remember that hybrids rarely reach their EPA gas mileage listings.

Car and Driver has an odd way of testing cars, it's been battled a lot before.

And I didn't knkow that it was a 2003, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't have all the tractio ncontrol stuff so that's probably why you were having trouble with your truck in the snow

Maybe, I sure as hell know it's not the tires or the fact I have to much power.

and a bunch of us currently don't have cars at school because we refuse to drive anything other than RWD and a manual. It's just what people want again these days. People are realizing that RWD is more fun and is easily drivealbe in snow.

It's because you are young, most young people like that....older people (the ones that buy most new cars) don't really care.

The thing is they are saying that the model on display is a fake aswell. They said for anyone going to the show they should challenge the GM men to open up to hood and he bets they wont. He also said that the hybrid tahoe will only be on display for something like 90 minutes?

WHO IN F&%^$'s name is they and are they on drugs. I think that who ever said that is a moron. GM has developed a hybrid system for the Tahoe's. could be pre production, but they have a system.

 

[McLaren]

I agree on the young statement. I don't know how old you are or the people around you Raghavan, but I'm presuming your 16-17, and at that age, most teens want something fast to drive. Why? Don't know, maybe the adrenaline...

My school however was raised around luxury and sports car owning parents, so the majority wanted cars so they could show off their cash.

 

[YSSMAN]

Raghavan: The reason why the Silverado hybrid you are so focused on is so different is simply because of that... It isnt a true hybrid truck! The "hybrid" badge they thew on it was mostly because of the small electrical engine that could ineed "help" the truck in some instances, but it was mostly created for use by construction workers who would use the electric engine for the external plugs in the bed... Unlike a Prius for example, the electic batteries would charge under breaking but would not be able to turn the transmisson independantly like the Prius... Hence the reason why the Prius can get nearly 60MPG in the city... The Silverado still has to use the V8 to move the truck around, but the electric engine will take some of the load off...

The Monte Carlo SS is an example of what GM can do without doing anything. It's performance is almost equal to that of the last Camaro Z/28s, and it will outgun the Charger R/T in a heads-up drag, but because its FWD it doesnt get any attention... And it is a shame. All of the "super W-body cars", those being the Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS, and Grand Prix GXP have been shut out of most peoples minds... Car and Driver said the Pontiac was impressive for a FWD car, and is a BMW 550il on a budget... If you want high performance with FWD traction in the winter, this is the car for you...

GM has said in the past they are working on an affordable RWD platform to replace many cars in the lineups, but it still hasent become available. Zeta was the first shot, and although reports had said it was shelved because of high cost and low performance for the US market, the new Camaro seems to revive the idea that the Zeta may be comming to the US anyways... There has always been the rumor about the "sigma lite" platform, baisicly a chaper version of the Cadillac CTS platform, but there hasnt been any news about that... Then there is of course the Kappa structure under the Solstice/Sky, but it is obviously too small for the big cars...

GM doesnt need to go completely RWD to be successful. Ford is still FWD, and the same can be said with the "baisic" Coupes and Sedans at DCX... There has always been the rumor that the Holden Commodore would replace the aincent W-Body cars, and if Zeta does indeed go global, it just might happen...

 

[Raghavan]

I agree on the young statement. I don't know how old you are or the people around you Raghavan, but I'm presuming your 16-17, and at that age, most teens want something fast to drive. Why? Don't know, maybe the adrenaline...

My school however was raised around luxury and sports car owning parents, so the majority wanted cars so they could show off their cash.

Yeah, i'm 17, and no, we don't want something fast to drive. Most of us just want something with 130-150 hp, RWD, manual, good handling, and is cheap. So far, we only have to look at used, something that a lot of parents here don't want, so we're stuck for now.

 

[Raghavan]

Car and Driver has an odd way of testing cars, it's been battled a lot before.



Maybe, I sure as hell know it's not the tires or the fact I have to much power.



It's because you are young, most young people like that....older people (the ones that buy most new cars) don't really care.



WHO IN F&%^$'s name is they and are they on drugs. I think that who ever said that is a moron. GM has developed a hybrid system for the Tahoe's. could be pre production, but they have a system.

So then why are the LX cars doing so well?
GM doens't have to go all RWD like BMW, but making the Impala RWD would be a great idea.

 

[neanderthal]

bmw 550iL?

the monte carlo SS is an example of what GM can do without doing anything.

how painfully true. i looked at the car when it was new and observed "so far you have done nothing." and i think the market gravitating towards the charger/ 300 reflects why "theyve done nothing." it looks pathetic, as though they didnt really try. and is wrong wheel drive.

 

[Joey D]

What's an LX?

And GM will start making RWD cars soon enough, but they aren't going to go ahead a put more money into a new platform at the current time.

 

[Joey D]

how painfully true. i looked at the car when it was new and observed "so far you have done nothing." and i think the market gravitating towards the charger/ 300 reflects why "theyve done nothing." it looks pathetic, as though they didnt really try. and is wrong wheel drive.

Jesus Christ it isn't the wrong wheel drive, quit being an idiot and listen to what I'm saying.

 

[YSSMAN]

see below

 

[YSSMAN]

LX cars are selling well because they are destinctly American in their look and overall design. Instead of chasing after Honda Accords as the Intrepid did, the 300C looks to be different and goes more more of the look and idea of the origional 300C from 1957...

Thats why people are buying the LX cars, theyre different... Driving a 300C and laying a 20ft patch from the green light is baisicly giving the jerkass next to you in his Prius the middle finger...

Although to me it is funny that so many Americans think the 300C/Charger are 100% American when indeed a good part of the car is of German origin. The chassis is off the previous-gen E-Class, and the same can be said of the transmission and axles... Only the styling and engine design can be traced to Detroit...

 

[neanderthal]

Jesus Christ it isn't the wrong wheel drive, quit being an idiot and listen to what I'm saying.

ive heard what you've said and i differ in opinion. that makes me an idiot? who decided that? coz i wasnt consulted.

some of us dont care for front wheel drive, snowy clime or not. rear or all wheel drive only. and with todays technology; ABS, anti skid systems, brake force distribution, traction control etc; the advantage of FWD is slight if any in inclement weather. the only advantage an FWD would have really is packaging; more interior space with less intrusion into that by the transmission tunnel.

i personally think the charger is an ugly car, yet people are loving it and buying it.
is it the HEMI engine? they dont all come with HEMI
is it the styling? could be, we dont know.
is it the rear wheel drive? could be we dont know.

so eff off with your supercilious attitude. just because you've said something many many times doesnt mean its gospel. keep repeating yourself and maybe some of the sheep here will eventually believe you. not me.

i'll say it again, the monte carlo SS is homely. and FWD. and people arent buying it for, among other things, those reasons.

 

[YSSMAN]

Yes, it is completely true that with the advancements in tire technology, traction control, anti-spin control, ABS, etc... It does save your ass when driving a RWD car in the snow...

Anyone growing up in Michigan will repeat the same senseless rant: Front Wheel Drive is better in the snow... FRONT WHEEL DRIVE IS BETTER IN THE SNOW!!!

They only know that because it is what you are now tought in drivers education, passed down to you by your parents, and even the dealer will shovel out information like that.

Of course, anyone who knows anything about automobiles will be able to argue against it, but it doesnt matter.

 

[Zardoz]

... FRONT WHEEL DRIVE IS BETTER IN THE SNOW!!!...Of course, anyone who knows anything about automobiles will be able to argue against it...

Please argue against the many times I've been in snow in the mountains and seen RWD cars helplessly lighting their tires and going nowhere while the FWD cars trundled smugly away.

Please argue against the time years ago when I was out in an oilfield on bare clay in the rain, and watched a RWD Caprice that was unable to move as its driver tried everything to get some traction, while I motored off with no problem at all in my FWD Buick Special.

Please explain how RWD is as good as FWD in very slick conditions.

 

[Zardoz]

... Driving a 300C and laying a 20ft patch from the green light is baisicly giving the jerkass next to you in his Prius the middle finger...

Uh, you might want to check again and confirm which car is being driven by a jackass...

 

[mwoodski]

Have chevrolet rebagde the Holden commodore as a Caprice, and sell it here, cop versions could be redon SS's simple as pie.

 

[McLaren]

Yeah, i'm 17, and no, we don't want something fast to drive. Most of us just want something with 130-150 hp, RWD, manual, good handling, and is cheap. So far, we only have to look at used, something that a lot of parents here don't want, so we're stuck for now.

150 bhp is actually pretty fast when the car is RWD and manual.