Will GT4 include the Le Mans Circuit ?

[JohnBM01]

Before I begin... I don't follow baseball, but my congratulations to Ichiro for receiving 258 hits, breaking a new record held for more than 80 years. Congratulations to the Japanese ball player for the Seattle Mariners.

The inclusion of Le Mans would be pretty special because it's near and dear to some of the high-powered LMP and GTP race cars. Think about it. If you love Mazda power, you can give an encore performance from 1991 on Le Circuit de la Sarthe, if my limited French serves me right. I'd surely love to give the Pescarolo Courage a Le Mans win. That's such a cool car. I liked it at Le Mans this year even though I wanted Champ Car regular Sebastien Bourdais to win at home this year, or at least finish.

Here's something to think about. How would this sound: "The 24 Hours of Grand Valley?" If not, what track would have a wonderful day-to-night or day-to-night-to-day race? Or does a night-to-day race be sweet?

 

[cobragt]

Ive looked on the BMW demo again and its not reffering to Le Mans!!
There are also files named.. lemans_205_it and lemans_a110_paris with others so i dont now what lemans means but its not the Track.

That's strange, I wonder why le mans is even mentioned, unless those are cars or something. We might have something, maybe

 

[MasterGT]

If Le Mans goes in, something else goes out

What's your logic behind that statement?
I don't get it...

Cheers,

MasterGT

 

[hellnback]

Do you race... 30 seconds full throttle boring??? Wash your mouth out!!! Having Le Mans in a configuration before 1990 (thus with full straight w/o chicanes) would be the Dux Nuts!!! Nothing better than seeing 300, 325, 350, 355, 356, 357, 35...

Oh god yes, then imagine getting into someones slipstream, oh man!!!

 

[GTXLR]

Do you race... 30 seconds full throttle boring??? Wash your mouth out!!! Having Le Mans in a configuration before 1990 (thus with full straight w/o chicanes) would be the Dux Nuts!!! Nothing better than seeing 300, 325, 350, 355, 356, 357, 35...

Oh god yes, then imagine getting into someones slipstream, oh man!!!

Try that in the Fiat Panda

 

[sheruken]

Wow HellnBack, that sounded so cool..
hmmmm....

 

[Cosmic]

Try that in the Fiat Panda

Try it in the fastest way! Use the Fiat Panda!

 

[Touring Mars]

there are some new, for me at least and I've seen them all, pictures posted on ign today, showing the pescarolo on which track...? could this be..? is it...? could arwin confirm this...? could it be the almighty le mans or am I mistaken..? cos I could not recognise this one... normally I do, but this one really got me...

dear KY, let us have Le Mans as well... 👍

take a look, which track is the pescarolo racing on...?

Hmm, a couple of those Pescarolo pictures are Tsukuba circuit... (the pic with the blue and white flags and the Coca-cola sign is from the start-finish straight on Tsukuba), and the long shot of the the car with a corner in the background is also Tsukuba... the others look like Fuji... both circuits are on Prologue...

... didn't see the pic on the bottom row of the page... but, that's Tsukuba aswell

 

[zonekill]

That's strange, I wonder why le mans is even mentioned, unless those are cars or something. We might have something, maybe

Now i now what that LeMans_config file means, its the configuration of the Demo build from GT4, playable at LeMans!! (There are also files in the config folder called config_E3, _TGS, _priusevent, _subaru) So they use a configuration for every event.

 

[den brakke]

Do you race... 30 seconds full throttle boring??? Wash your mouth out!!! Having Le Mans in a configuration before 1990 (thus with full straight w/o chicanes) would be the Dux Nuts!!! Nothing better than seeing 300, 325, 350, 355, 356, 357, 35...

Oh god yes, then imagine getting into someones slipstream, oh man!!!

In the 90's the speed could go up to 400km/u at mulsane straight.

 

[hellnback]

den brakke... We've been thru this, a specially designed Peugeot achieved 405km/h in 1988, they then told the driver to come in and park it, and the team went out to celebrate achieving their goal of '400km/h'.

1n 1989 it was argued that speeds were getting to high along the Mulsanne Straight, and the Peugeot was used as 'the' example... In 1990 the Mulsanne straight had two chicanes added, on roughly 1/3rd down Mulsanne the other roughly 2/3rds down Mulsanne.

I was just using the 'mere' 350's as an example of what we could expect if Le Mans was in GT4 with a pre-circa 1990 configuration.

 

[cobragt]

Imagine being in a group c car on the Le mans, getting behind a Model T's slipstream

 

[cobragt]

Now i now what that LeMans_config file means, its the configuration of the Demo build from GT4, playable at LeMans!! (There are also files in the config folder called config_E3, _TGS, _priusevent, _subaru) So they use a configuration for every event.

So that could mean 2 things though. The build which was played at Le mans, with out the track, or the build played there with the track. I dont know but lets just hope.

 

[zonekill]

So that could mean 2 things though. The build which was played at Le mans, with out the track, or the build played there with the track. I dont know but lets just hope.

I dont think so, if the build at Le Mans had the track, we had already seen pics of it.
And there isnt a config Nordschleife or with another track, so its not logically that the build is named as a track!

So my conclusion is that there is only a little chance that Le Mans is in. (Remember what tracks were hacked out of Prologue there was also no sign of Le Mans)

 

[cobragt]

Well, you just got my hopes up.

 

[Hombleracer]

imagine my Trans Am on Le Mans, drifting into the chicanes..

Jeeezz, I'm gonna have wet dreams this night, pretty sure now...

 

[cobragt]

imagine a 787b car on there. I really dont care about the no online thing, if pd just brings the great driving experience, I'll be happy as hell

 

[Cosmic]

Or the Pholyphony 001
Zoooom.... =)

 

[GTXLR]

I really dont get the great desire to have LeMans.
Its hardly a great driver circuit or a great car circuit.
Sure it has the prestige and history as an event, but as a track its pretty poor!
And in anything under 400hp would be a long dull slog, nearly as dull as the test track.

Theres plenty more great tracks in the world Id rather see than LeMans.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I really dont get the great desire to have LeMans.
Its hardly a great driver circuit or a great car circuit.
Sure it has the prestige and history as an event, but as a track its pretty poor!
And in anything under 400hp would be a long dull slog, nearly as dull as the test track.

Theres plenty more great tracks in the world Id rather see than LeMans.

Yeah, same here, GTXLR. I still think Le Mans is designed to test cars more than drivers, and it's probably appeared in so many games that it just isn't funny. Besides, isn't the Holy Grail of Motorsport the Nurburgring (shame they got rid of the Southern Loop ...)? I mean with Le Mans you've got a long straight here, a squiggly bit here and then ... nothing much else, whereas the 'Ring is 20+ km of undulating nonsense. If I were KY and had to choose between the 'Ring and Le Mans, I know which I'd take hands down.

Besides, if Le Mans were included something would have to go to make room for it. I'd hate to see PD get rid of a couple of cars or a really great track like Citta di Aria or NYC or the new Photography or B-Spec modes to make way for Le Mans!

 

[hellnback]

Yeah, there are other tracks that probably would be more fun to drive, such as Spa-Francorchamps (Both old 14km track and the new 6.987km one they currently use), Bathurst too is a great track, at 6.213km in length which includes a vertical rise of some 80m (~245ft) ascent and descent of Mount Panorama.

Yes Le Mans is special because of its history, but there also are some good driver challenges, the Dunlop Curve (1st turn) was an awesome corner before they put a chicane in it to reduce speeds, the Porsche Curves still provide the attention of every driver too, and the original Mulsanne Straight at 3.5miles long was considered the fastest piece of real estate in the world at the time.

But I think it's all abit deeper than that, most, I say most remember, tracks that people want in GT4 are tracks that a little longer than standard.

Le Mans, Nurburgring Nordschleife, Spa (Original 14km) because of their length give the impression that you are 'going' somewhere because you don't see the same part of the track every 70 seconds. They provide a challenge as it is harder to remember the course, so when you come flying at a corner at 200km/h, you sure as hell better KNOW what corner you're approaching.

This could be done by remembering corner combo's before the corner, or there might be just subtle differences at that corner to distinguish it from one 'left-hander' to another 'left-hander'. It's only then can you start to push lap times to the limit.

Le Mans is different to the Nurb in the fact because the Mulsanne was so long you could set the car up to gain time on it, sacrificing speed elsewhere, and vice versa.

All the combination of the above is WHY tracks such as the Nurb' and Le Mans will remain popular for ages to come.

 

[Buzzin Hornet]

Now i now what that LeMans_config file means, its the configuration of the Demo build from GT4, playable at LeMans!! (There are also files in the config folder called config_E3, _TGS, _priusevent, _subaru) So they use a configuration for every event.

I was at lemans and raced nurburgring on gt4 for the first time. (I posted video of it before on here) and was previlaged to race it as i had begged to as they werent moving off Sukuba. I have video of the menus and can confidently say there WAS NO LEMANS PLAYABLE THIS YEAR. However and I cant say why but I know that Lemans is in GT4. Wheher it makes Christmas release or later is up for discussion. BUT IT IS IN!!!!! Im confident.

 

[GTXLR]

Do you race?, i dont think the inclusion of LeMans will in any way effect the content you listed, we already know that we are still short of about 15 tracks yet to be announced for GT4, it could quite easily be one of those, also with the fact they are using dual layer DVD and now the online components are removed dont see there being an issue with disc space, so no need to worry there.


Hellnback, I can see that LeMans will be good for the LMP racers, although i still dont think it is a very good track, its good in real life, to test reliabilty and speed, its just that overall as a GT track I dont think it has much to offer, especially in its current form.
Nurburgring on the other hand, is a superb track for car and driver alike and makes great sense for inclusion in GT4.
Bathurst would be Great as well as SPA, even the latest iteration, not having seen anything other than a map for the old Spa I cant really tell if it would be great.
I have Ideas for lots of other good tracks, although most would be shorter than those above, far to many to list here, So i guess well just have to wait and see just what PD have left in their Track Arsenal to surprise us with, And I conceed for the Pure Bred Top end racers it would be good to have a Showcase track like Lemans for them in the game

 

[wee_man]

Gah I haven't posted here in such a long time and the message board has gone down hill so much since I last posted.

Le Mans is a massive track and be it, it's a very long track like Nurburgring, it's a completly differnt kettle of fish. You lot a resaying Le Mans would be dull and boring.........I half agree and disagree. Le Mans is a real racing circuit. One of the very few left in the world. You lot saying it would be easy to drive....pfftt...the width of the track is tiny compared to most modern day racing circuits, as many have said, most of the track is public roads. Any cars under 400bhp though would be crap to drive round and as much as I'd like to see it in GT4 I think it'd be a waste of time. It'd only really be good for time trials, because unless the AI are very very good, then having only 6 cars on a track that takes 3 and a half minutes to complete is pointless. I remember the very first Le Mans 24 hours on teh PSONE having only 20 cars on track at a time......at it just got boring after the first 10 minutes, and I think that needed more cars!!! The Nordschliffe is great even with 6 cars as it's so twisty, but Le Mans with only 6 cars......hmmm....
I can see Buggatti making it into GT4 but not the Circuit De Sarthe...unless.......you guys remember in GT2 as a bonus feautre you had....I think it was route SS11 in his res as a bonus feature for completion.....maybe they might have the Circuit De Sarthe as a bonus feature to drive or something....
Anywayz my point is.......I'd like to see it, as it's a really phenominal track, and a real drivers circuit.....but not if they're only having 6 cars on the track at a time.

 

[Adam_b24]

it would be great if they put the track in the game, especially both versions (pre and post 1990), and does anyone know how long the track is in miles?

 

[hellnback]

Le Mans Full (La Sarthe) : 8.625 miles/13.880 km, 21 turns
Le Mans Bugatti : 2.655 miles/4.273 km, 9 turns

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Do you race?, i dont think the inclusion of LeMans will in any way effect the content you listed, we already know that we are still short of about 15 tracks yet to be announced for GT4, it could quite easily be one of those, also with the fact they are using dual layer DVD and now the online components are removed dont see there being an issue with disc space, so no need to worry there.


Hellnback, I can see that LeMans will be good for the LMP racers, although i still dont think it is a very good track, its good in real life, to test reliabilty and speed, its just that overall as a GT track I dont think it has much to offer, especially in its current form.
Nurburgring on the other hand, is a superb track for car and driver alike and makes great sense for inclusion in GT4.
Bathurst would be Great as well as SPA, even the latest iteration, not having seen anything other than a map for the old Spa I cant really tell if it would be great.
I have Ideas for lots of other good tracks, although most would be shorter than those above, far to many to list here, So i guess well just have to wait and see just what PD have left in their Track Arsenal to surprise us with, And I conceed for the Pure Bred Top end racers it would be good to have a Showcase track like Lemans for them in the game

Go to www.racingcircuits.net it has all the various incarnation of just about every circuit man has built (and intended to build ... check out the original proposal for Suzuka!) The old Spa was just La Source (that nasty hairpin) and some very long straights and fast corners, though sadly no Eau Rouge, as it wasn't included until the track was shortened to its current length.

But I still say:
Le Mans, no.
Le Mans Bugatti, maybe.

Besides who so great about Le Mans that would make it perfect for GT4? Sure it's steeped in history but other than that?

 

[McLaren]

I wouldn't mind Le Mans in, but I bet you guys anything that if it is in, it'll be available for an endurance race. I mean the track literally is an endurance track.

I also bet Nurburgring will be an endurance too.

I mean, c'mon, Pd loves putting the most challenging and hardest courses for endurance races.

Look at GT3. Grand Vally would have been a cooler endurance if it wasn't just Miatas, and then they have Cote D' Azur with was one hell of a long time endurance. Hopefully though, the REAL Monaco course will be in, with the name. 👍

 

[hellnback]

Do you race: Nice site you linked to.

In regards to 'Eau Rouge' I think it has been a feature of both versions of the track since the late 30's or so, plus it HAD to have been there before the forced change in 1978 or thereabouts, as it's a corner written in early F1 folklore and that started in 1950.

The corner while still a challenge has become easier as car and aerodynamics have improved, but it was there before 'Spa' changed.

McLarenF1GTR: I'm with you on that one, hopefully it's an unannounced suprise. Maybe along with three unnamed manufacturers.

p.s. If Le Mans makes it betcha it won't take long before there are "427km/h down Mulsanne!!!" threads are around, that is if there's an old configurature of the circuit available...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Do you race: Nice site you linked to.

In regards to 'Eau Rouge' I think it has been a feature of both versions of the track since the late 30's or so, plus it HAD to have been there before the forced change in 1978 or thereabouts, as it's a corner written in early F1 folklore and that started in 1950.

The corner while still a challenge has become easier as car and aerodynamics have improved, but it was there before 'Spa' changed.

McLarenF1GTR: I'm with you on that one, hopefully it's an unannounced suprise. Maybe along with three unnamed manufacturers.

p.s. If Le Mans makes it betcha it won't take long before there are "427km/h down Mulsanne!!!" threads are around, that is if there's an old configurature of the circuit available...

Thank you, I quite like it too. Maybe PD and KY could use it for new tracks ...