Willow Springs 20 Mile Race

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Did 6 runs today.
Three in an 1997 NSX Type S Zero
and
Three in a Mazda RX7 RS-R (97)

They were about the same sort of pace. Never had a chance of winning unless the AI double pitted (Not all of them did!) and My driving was not consistent enough for me to post times

I ran SH for None stop runs (5/3 brakes) for both cars... And two runs on SS tyres with a mid race stop.
The NSX may have the edge in pure pace, but for me it was chewing the rears a bit too fast when you push so I ran the risk of a last lap trip into the desert... Such a great reward risk final pair of corners... you want to go as fat as you dare... but if something goes wrong you have no room to save it and tend to end up doing a dust devil impression.

Stock No aids
454pp/285bhp/32torques/1270kg - NSX TypeS Zero - Best lap 1m24.4 (12m12 Race 1 stop)
441pp/262bhp/30torques/1230kg - RX-7 RS-R Best lap 1m24.2 (12m07 Race 1 stop)

25.8/24.2/24.9/31.0 (6F7-5R7)
46.5/24.3/25.2/25.7 (6F7-5R7)
12m07 1stop

I guess both could go sub 12 minutes for the race. The RX7 is very pushable. it is so kind to its tyres you can loon about like you are driving at 'Jackrabbits Springs' and have number 53 on the car.

Running 276bhp cars is tough, as the AI cars will swarm you on the straights... Pass/repass stuff. So you have to pick what side of the track you want to be on for the next corner earlier at times - Interesting but not perfect for testing cars!

L Matthews pulled a 11m22 and a 11m23 in his McLaren F1
Roseti in his Huarya was consistent in his 11m41 11m43 lap times.

I guess we all have the same AI names for the same AI fields. Which is kind of nice. Mulder in his Enzo is a bit of a slowpoke in it. 11m41 - Maranello will not be happy with that lack of pace.
 
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This could well be the final post of a race I've run so many times they may have to resurface the track! (Version 1.03 and all that!)

I wanted to test the old classic 1997 era "276" cars. And what better place to test than a Brand new track agains a raft of top quality super cars driven by the likes of L "Bernard" Mathews in his McLaren F1 and G "Lindsay" Davenport in her McLaren Emmpeefourdashtwelvecee.

The excellent 8 were...

  • PerPoi---Power--Torques--Mass------Name
  • 454pp--285bhp---32T---1270kg---Honda NSX Type S Zero
  • 441pp--262bhp---30T---1230kg---Mazda RX-7 RS-R
  • 450pp--313bhp---49T---1710kg---Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Turbo
  • 442pp--273bhp---36T---1350kg---Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV
  • 458pp--319bhp---44T---1540kg---Nissan GT-R V-spec (R33)
  • 440pp--276bhp---40T---1510kg---Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Two Seater
  • 451pp--278bhp---36T---1250kg---Subaru Impreza WRX STI Version 4
  • 471pp--325bhp---54T---1510kg---Toyota Supra RZ

The Mazda only had 261bhp when Advertised, but they cunningly added an extra horse power to skew the results... However Toyota/Nissan and Mitsubishi all added a couple of frozen lasagnes worth of added horsemeat.

I ran them the same - Fitted SS tyres to each corner. Altered the Brake Bias to 5/3. Turned off the TCS and ABS.

Oddities...
The Lancer has a tricksy rear diff & Anti Yaw controller that you can fiddle with... I left as stock.
The Skyline has 30 points of free Rear aero which you can adjust to 80 without you buying a wing.
The Impreza has a slightly adjustable torque split - 35/65 or you can move it to a 50/50 setting - Again I left as stock.
Each car comes with a brand new set of Sports Hard tyres... Except the 3000GT and the Fairlady which get Comfort Softs.

The races were all single stops at the end of lap 4 to both get the most out of both sets of tyres and to avoid pit lane congestion. My driving was clean and smooth as I could manage. No corner cutting, hitting other cars or blocking weaving on track.


  • RaceTime--Bestlap--PerPoi---Power--Torques--Mass------Name
  • 12m12.1--1m24.4---454pp--285bhp---32T---1270kg---Honda NSX Type S Zero
  • 12m07.7--1m24.2---441pp--262bhp---30T---1230kg---Mazda RX-7 RS-R
  • 12m43.0--1m28.2---450pp--313bhp---49T---1710kg---Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 Turbo
  • 12m27.7--1m26.1---442pp--273bhp---36T---1350kg---Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IV
  • 12m22.8--1m25.6---458pp--319bhp---44T---1540kg---Nissan Skyline GT-R V-spec (R33)
  • 12m27.3--1m26.1---440pp--276bhp---40T---1510kg---Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Two Seater
  • 12m17.6--1m25.0---451pp--278bhp---36T---1250kg---Subaru Impreza WRX STI Version 4
  • 12m17.7--1m24.9---471pp--325bhp---54T---1510kg---Toyota Supra RZ
Before I ran the tests I thought the NSX would be the car. the Supra and GTR would be good due to raw power and the 3000GT would be too porky to make any time. I didn't really expect the underpowered Mazda to comfortably take the prize. Best 276 car of 1997 or earlier at Jack Rabbit Springs Raceway.

NSX-
The car is great but if you push hard you spend the rear tyres grip. and when it is low The car will not respond well to high G corners and slowing down.

RX-7
Very excellent. The easy controls and gentle use of the tyres means you can push all day and not have to worry about the tyres dropping off suddenly. Consistent and easy to place on track.

3000GT
Big porky Pudding. It felt planted and solid in corners, but it destroys its front tyres.

Lancer
Left front wears but not seriously - After the 3000GT this felt much more nimble and less weight on the nose.

Skyline
Nice car, that extra grip at the rear end makes the fast sweepers easy, but it does chew its front tyres heavily.

Fairlady
Simple meat and potatoes car. Front tyres go off first so last lap last couple of corners can be a battle between speed and understeer. It revs pretty low and the transition from 3rd to 4th was just where I didn't need a gear change. I liked the car though.

Impreza
Dependable high speed grip. Like the Mazda it was easy to place on the track and set up for corners - identical tyre degradation as the Lancer with the weak point being the left front - but plenty of grip for the final sector of the final lap.

Supra
Very low revs - redline at 6800 and it was bit - puddingy into corners- Like the car had the weight on the back wheels and the steering was behind the driver and the front of the car was way, way ahead - you soon get used to its foibles. Left front is a weak point so a smidge of understeer may surface later, but the car was planted for me.
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AI drivers?

Seems only one driver is allowed to drive a certain car - Talking about the Emmpeefourdashtwelvecee? The you are talking about G Davenport - The McLaren F1 then L Mathews is your man.

Any characters on the Usual suspects of AI drivers?
Ortiz in the Prius (Sorry I mean Cadillac) has to be the worst of the worst so very slow
L Mori in the Cizeta V16T is mostly smoke and spins, but once he got 5th place... That's good for a Cizeta!

Best AI time?

L Mathews -McLaren F1 - 11m16
P Rosati -Huarya - 11m24
G Davenport -Emmpeefourdashtwelvecee - 12m04
P Mulder -Enzo - 11m41
Aigner -FXX - 11m26
W Andrews -Viper ACR - 12m06
T Stevens - Aventodor - 11m54
Bradley ZR1 11m57
 
It's an interesting race, I just ran this and finished behind a FXX in the Cerbera Speed 6 which I was quite pleased about as I pitted a bit too early. One minor niggle is that for me the FXX shouldn't be allowed in the starting line up if it is purely for road cars.
 
After checking that version 1.03 did not mess with tire wear or fuel consumption on my R390 GT1 Road Car, I took a newly acquired 548 PP BMW M3 CSL '03 to the lists at Willow and defeated the Enzo. The CSL handles well, is very fast in a straight line, wears the tires evenly, and does not suck fuel.
 
Did you notice if any of the AI still had the lap seven pit-disease?


One of them did on the race I ran, but not the Enzo. More checking is required. I did note the Audi FSI R8 finished higher than it usually does.

I now have run more than 1000 miles at Willow, making it my GT6 home track, I guess. I'm hoping the rumors of a return of the Seattle venue are true. I have driven karts at tracks all up and down the west coast, but only ever took a pickup truck around Willow. They call it the fastest track in the west, but I think Riverside was faster before it gave way to a subdivision.
 
I just ran it again under 1.03 and was noticing a bit a freeze frames while going around the track and especially while in the pits. I had noticed this before but it was much more frequent today. After the race I disabled the custom in race BGM and cleared the cache but haven't tried it again to see if that corrected the issue.

Anyone else seeing this after the update?

btw I ran the 67 Cougar at 500pp with SS tires, managed a 3rd place finish behind the FXX and F1 ahead of the Enzo by 14 seconds but behind the FXX by 30 seconds. That FXX is pretty fast. I am starting to think that if I want to run a 500PP muscle car I need to cycle until there is no FXX or F1 in the lineup


I have no idea how many miles I have a Willow but it is a bunch for sure, the most is showing at Bathurst at just over 2,200 miles
 
I just ran it again under 1.03 and was noticing a bit a freeze frames while going around the track and especially while in the pits. I had noticed this before but it was much more frequent today. After the race I disabled the custom in race BGM and cleared the cache but haven't tried it again to see if that corrected the issue.

Anyone else seeing this after the update?

btw I ran the 67 Cougar at 500pp with SS tires, managed a 3rd place finish behind the FXX and F1 ahead of the Enzo by 14 seconds but behind the FXX by 30 seconds. That FXX is pretty fast. I am starting to think that if I want to run a 500PP muscle car I need to cycle until there is no FXX or F1 in the lineup


I have no idea how many miles I have a Willow but it is a bunch for sure, the most is showing at Bathurst at just over 2,200 miles


I found not much difference in the minor frame freezes.

3rd place with a 500 PP '67 Cougar is awesome! But include the Huayra on the avoid list.
 
V1.03b

Ran the... Toyota Hefty One... sorry FT1 easy mistake.

485hp/1320kg. (eSZee Technical Institute acquired these figures, hush hush)
SS tyres - 5/3 Brakes
(Vey13/FXX/Vento/MP4/ZR1) AI Set

I ran after the time trial at Fort Ord Raceway. (I had just fitted my RA menu buttons... and tootled down the pit straight, trying to alter the unalterable Brake Bias.
That was a world of locked brakes!

21.4/20.4/23.0/32.7 (4F5-5R7) (20litres of extra fuel)
39.8/27.7/23.6/22.9 (4F6-4R6)
11m46

The car was fast in places but was a nightmare in the fast sweeps. Just understeering wide. This could be the fact that I'd ran back to back to back to back to back to ... well lots of 276bhp cars of late, so the truth was I was unaware just how fast I was barrelling into some corners then over doing the turns... And the 5/3 brakes didn't help at all (Overheating and locking the fronts before a corner when I would then ask it to turn...)

I repeated but turned the brakes down to 2/2 - Even balance and a more gradual application of the anchors.

19.9/19.2/20.3/30.1 (4F7-4R7) (Took the 13Litres the Chief Mechanic wanted)
39.3/19.9/25.4/23.4 (No tyre info)Ran out of fuel with 200 yards to go... coasted to the win.
11m37

Lap 7 was interesting as I was hunting down the FXX, passed him into Monroe Rise... I then left the track at the sweeper... re-joined after the final turn... but the Ferrari wanted to be in the pits... Impact!
I had a fishtail that Darryl Hannah would have been embarrassed by. One side of the track... to the other... very nearly hit the wall on the inside of the track.

The car isn't that stable at High speeds - But good fun.

AI watch...
The Lamborghini Aventodor of T Stevens was the best of the losers today... 11m54 and 11m50
 
I found not much difference in the minor frame freezes.
After I disabled the BGM and cleared the cache it worked much better so must have been one of those things causing the issue.

3rd place with a 500 PP '67 Cougar is awesome! But include the Huayra on the avoid list.
Thanks. it really is a great little car and I have it dialed in pretty good. I was beating race cars on Nurburgring online with it a few nights ago.

The Huayra doesn't scare me much, it usually pits on lap 7 so it is not that hard to beat or at least not impossible. I think I can do it ;)

I ran the race again in the 500PP BTR where the FXX and F1 were not in the lineup I was close once again but no cigar. This time I had the 458 and the Huayra in the lineup. By lap 5 I had moved up to around 5th place or so and my rear tires were down to a 4 coming around the last corner I had to slow a bit more than normal due to this and a Lambo came inside and tapped me off the track causing me to fall back several spots. My tires were at 3 after that and I went into the pits, by the time I came out I was in 15th place, over the next 3 laps I managed to fight my way through the pack again and as I came around to start the last lap I saw the Huayra coming out of the pits but I could not quite catch him.

The 458 finished 1st the Huayra 2nd and me 3rd. I was 7 seconds behind the 458 and I think had it not been for the Lambo taking me out on lap 5 I would have won that race or at least a close 2nd so I will have to try again.

I must say that while it is frustrating trying to get a win in the BTR it has been quite a bit of fun and quite challenging, definitely improving my driving especially on that track. The BMW event this morning was cake after all those laps in the BTR
 
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Took up my old BTR.
369bhp/1180kg/493pp
3/1 on the Brake Bias.
Pretty much stock. SM/SS tyres with a planned stop at the end of lap 4.

24.2/24.2/25.0/31.9 (8F8-3R6)
42.2/23.5/24.0/26.3
12m01

And the win!
The lead AI was the enzo, but I was reeling him in - Maybe if I pushed I could have made a pas son the last lap (On worn out rears?!?) But he (gave up knowing that the superior driver was upon him and pulled the "The mechanic didn't put in enough fuel excuse.) Pulled into the pit lane. I then went from hunter to hunted. Davenport in the Emmpeefourdashtwelvecee was behind and I had past him on lap6 and pulled a bit of a gap... I maintained it to the flag, no need to scupper it pushing too hard.

G.Davenport (12m05), H.McClain (12m15), R.Piccolo (12m16) P.Mulder (12m18)

Repeated the race. This time Mulder was a bit more careful on his fuel stop. I was reelinghim in and From a driving point of view I was much better in this race. But alas only second. I did get into a tangle with a couple of cars when I was on my in lap. The replay made my 911 look nicely bashed up.
Recently re-sprayed the car in a new Colourshift - but it is a golden darkgreen hue. Sort of looks like freshly Galvanised steel.

24.3/23.5/23.8/31.3 (8F8-3R6)
42.0/23.4/23.7/26.3
11m58.2 (2nd place)

P.Mulder (11m56), G.Davenport (12m08), H.McClain (12m23), R.Piccolo (12m24)

McClain in the One 77 was consistent but not sure how he finished so high as he seemed ot be coating the track in a layer of rubber and a cloud of tyre smoke. Piccolo was very impressive... he started in 15th place and consistently worked his way up the order.

This prompted me to buy a... Stick on Moustache and a Hawaiian shirt.
If Magnum had been set a few years later and Robin Masters had traded in the old Ferrari for a new one maybe this would have been the car with Robin 1 for the number plate.

394bhp/51 torques/1160kg -- 520pp
Ferrari GTO 1984
SS tyres 5/3 brakes

23.0/20.7/21.9/36.0 (4F8-4R6)
44.1/19.6/20.6/22.2 (5F7-3R6)
11m48 - Easy win
Did the race again...
21.1/20.2/24.6/32.0 (6F7-3R5)
40.6/19.6/19.7/21.2 (6F7-3R6)
11m39

This car is super good fun. A lot of natural grip, the Big long second turn (Rabbits Ear) I noticed the car was quite a lot faster that previous cars. (You ran Japanese Road cars from the 90's, remember!)
It is just fun. if you brake, and put in a bit of steering it will get squirrelly on you. It can't quite manage to hold a sweet line in the fast Sweeper of Turn 8. But when it does get out of shape it has a natural balance that let me control the car in a confident drift. (Rather than my usual wild steering attempts to keep a car pointing in the right direction and still on the grey bit of track.)
Downside - Slow from a standing start. The Dials in the car are - Italian... so they don't quite work how you would expect them to work...
It sounds neat and has a horn... not a cute high pitched "Ciao baby!" style beep, which is a shame.

24.9? You spotted it. I had a bit of a squabble in traffic into turn 1. I had to pass up the inside at Turn 1... made the pass... then drifted wide... wider - more sideways... that got it... THUMP. A nice new McLaren logo T Boned into my door! Which sent me into another slide... off track but still going but when I skittered back on the asphalt the McLaren and Aston had snook past me.

Best AI?
Mulder in the Enzo posted a 11m56 and 11m55. No one else was under 12 minutes.
 
Good job with the BTR, I've still not gotten first in that car. I have beaten the Enzo a few times but there was always an FXX and/or an F1 out there with him and those I could not catch.

I also tried it in the GTO at 500pp, can't remember the lineup in that one but I was able to cruise to a easy win. That GTO runs nice
 
I just ran it again under 1.03 and was noticing a bit a freeze frames while going around the track and especially while in the pits. I had noticed this before but it was much more frequent today. After the race I disabled the custom in race BGM and cleared the cache but haven't tried it again to see if that corrected the issue.
Apparently this is tied to AI pitting.
Whenever they pit, there's a milli-freeze.
 
I won this race recently in a fully tuned Honda Fit using sports soft tyres, which turned out to be a really stupid idea. The car is fast enough to win without pitting, since the leading AI in this race pitted twice. However, my front tyres were destroyed starting the last lap... I lost half of my 20 second lead.

I redid the event with sports hard tyres on the front which was much more comfortable! :sly:
 
Apparently this is tied to AI pitting.
Whenever they pit, there's a milli-freeze.
After I cleared the cache and disabled the custom BGM the issue I was seeing went away. still get the occasional milli-freeze as you call it but this am I was getting a lot of them especially while I was in the pits
 
Custom BGM causes the freeze right at the start of the race as well, from what I read.
 
Just did this race with a Rocket, and it felt like cheating, because I didn't have to pit.

Tuning:
595PP 230hp 415kg
Transmission at 310km/h

I almost caught up with the leading AI (McLaren F1) at the end of 5th lap, and he pitted. This is totally doable with stock power (but probably not stock gearbox).

Problems? Because the car is so light, any AI looking at you in the wrong way = you in next town. Any off-track excursions will take a long time to recover.
 
Well I just tried it yet again in that BTR, was doing well and then got screwed on my pit stop. I'm not sure what happened but I went into the pits in 6th place, took on tires only and it made me sit there until all the other cars had left the pit putting me in 16th place :(
I've had it hold me in the pits longer than it should have here before but never that long. Probably held me at least 20-30 seconds longer than it should have it seemed.

Anyone else experience this? Anyone know how to avoid it other than using a car that does not have to pit?
 
Well I just tried it yet again in that BTR, was doing well and then got screwed on my pit stop. I'm not sure what happened but I went into the pits in 6th place, took on tires only and it made me sit there until all the other cars had left the pit putting me in 16th place :(
I've had it hold me in the pits longer than it should have here before but never that long. Probably held me at least 20-30 seconds longer than it should have it seemed.

Anyone else experience this? Anyone know how to avoid it other than using a car that does not have to pit?
Somewhere I know someone has described penalties at Willow for entering the pit lane too fast.

To avoid this, lift as you leave the track and enter pit lane, just as you would in real life.
 
Somewhere I know someone has described penalties at Willow for entering the pit lane too fast.

To avoid this, lift as you leave the track and enter pit lane, just as you would in real life.

I did in this case and also applied some brake, but something must have happened because my car came up on the Lambo in front of me and actually drive through it then applied throttle to get to my pit area all while under the AI control.

I ran the race again went into the pits in 6th place, one car went by while I was in the pits and the 2 that were in the pits when I rolled in exited so I left in 7th this time. I finished 2nd behind the Huayra

One more time this time I went in in 4th place made sure to lift and apply some brake to slow down as I entered the pits and once again it let the cars that came in behind me exit before me and I came out in 9th place. The next lap everything in front of me pitted accept the leader. Another 2nd place finish.

I just can't figure out this pit thing on that track, most times it seems to work ok and then others it seems to hold me in there longer than it should allowing cars which entered behind me and are taking on fuel to get out in front of me even though I am not taking any fuel and the car is off the jack already.
 
I just can't figure out this pit thing on that track, most times it seems to work ok and then others it seems to hold me in there longer than it should allowing cars which entered behind me and are taking on fuel to get out in front of me even though I am not taking any fuel and the car is off the jack already.

Fire that pit crew.
 
I did in this case and also applied some brake, but something must have happened because my car came up on the Lambo in front of me and actually drive through it then applied throttle to get to my pit area all while under the AI control.

I ran the race again went into the pits in 6th place, one car went by while I was in the pits and the 2 that were in the pits when I rolled in exited so I left in 7th this time. I finished 2nd behind the Huayra

One more time this time I went in in 4th place made sure to lift and apply some brake to slow down as I entered the pits and once again it let the cars that came in behind me exit before me and I came out in 9th place. The next lap everything in front of me pitted accept the leader. Another 2nd place finish.

I just can't figure out this pit thing on that track, most times it seems to work ok and then others it seems to hold me in there longer than it should allowing cars which entered behind me and are taking on fuel to get out in front of me even though I am not taking any fuel and the car is off the jack already.
On what lap are you pitting? Lap five?

I always pit on lap 4, and never seem to have bothers.
 
Yep lap 5, I have considered trying it on lap 4 but not sure if the tires will hold up for the rest of the race as they seem to wear quicker after pitting.
 
Yep lap 5, I have considered trying it on lap 4 but not sure if the tires will hold up for the rest of the race as they seem to wear quicker after pitting.

I've been generally pitting on lap five for the same reason that you mention. The tires seem to go off a little quicker after the pit-stop so I've been intentionally making the 2nd half of the race shorter.

I haven't re-run this race since the V1.03 update, so I don't know if the speeding penalty while entering the pits has changed, but previously, I got about a 2 second penalty if I entered the pits too fast. If you've seen a 10-20 second hold, then perhaps PD has changed this speeding penalty. It would be nice if they would flash a yellow warning message telling us of this penalty so we would have something to read while we are sitting in our pit-boxes fuming!:banghead:

Previously, the AI would go full-throttle until they got to the beginning of the pit-wall entrance on the right side of pit-in, and then they would slow down so they would be going a reasonably slow speed (maybe 60-70 mph) by the time they reached the timing light-pole that is on the right side of the pit-entrance.

I normally would ease off the throttle at about the same place (the very beginning of the pit-wall), but I wasn't often really braking hard, so I was getting the speeding penalties.:guilty:

See you on the track!
GTsail
 
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I think I will run this again. Running the Rocket car enabled me not to pit but I love Willow Springs so....
 
Used the stock Anniversary Corvette C7 first time and won it by a whisker. Ran out of fuel midway through the second last righthander and barely limped across the finish line with a 2 second margin. :D

Have used the BTR since then and still haven't got a win, but I'm slowly getting there. My new 500 PP setup gives me sub 1.22 lap times un-aided and should be enough for a win if and when I manage to stay on track for the entire eight laps.
 
What tyres do you run your BTR with? Or do you work some dark magic on the differential or suspension?

No Willow springs for me today - You wait all year for a seasonal event then five pop up in 2 days! (Looking at the dates, some of them started January last year... glad I did them now!)

I had a run from yesterday I didn't write up...

Stock Lancia Stratos

Bolted on some SS tyres. Not sure if I ran none stop or had to pit for tyres.
1m29.551 Bestestever lap ever.
12m57.4 Race time (I was fending off that medical car on lap 1)

If you can win this event in a stock Stratos then you deserve a badge!

The car was very responsive... turns on a sixpence, dime, zlotti. So you need to tone your steering inputs down - the car will respond...

The car however is very low on raw grunt.
 
Ryk
The car however is very low on raw grunt.

In GT4 the Stratos was probably my favorite car, firstly because it was perfect for the lucrative Italian Festival, and secondly because of the lovely, raucous exhaust note (from one of its optional exhaust systems). If I am correct, its V-6 engine derives directly from the 1959/60 Ferrari Dino 2.5 liter Formula One engine.

Since I was able to tame its wayward handling in GT4 with LSD and shocks, I will take the Stratos on for a GT6 project!:gtpflag:
 
Ryk
V1.03b

Ran the... Toyota Hefty One... sorry FT1 easy mistake.

485hp/1320kg. (eSZee Technical Institute acquired these figures, hush hush)
SS tyres - 5/3 Brakes
(Vey13/FXX/Vento/MP4/ZR1) AI Set

I ran after the time trial at Fort Ord Raceway. (I had just fitted my RA menu buttons... and tootled down the pit straight, trying to alter the unalterable Brake Bias.
That was a world of locked brakes!

21.4/20.4/23.0/32.7 (4F5-5R7) (20litres of extra fuel)
39.8/27.7/23.6/22.9 (4F6-4R6)
11m46...
I'm guessing you pitted by what you said. Odd thing I found was, I didn't need to...I would have come in second too, if it hadn't been for a slight excursion coming into the home straight - though quite a few of the AI appeared to pit twice.

I am finding that I am enjoying this race, trying different cars out - some good race reports you have there - thanks.
 
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