Windows... 10?!?

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Latvija27
So what does everyone think of Windows 10 ?
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Well, I wait to see what happens with the paid version.

It's rumored MS is working on a less NSA-induced W10, which probably is the paid version.

There's no free stuff in this world. You pay your free Win10 with your personal details.

If that version is the same... i won't bother. No OS needs to phone home 5000 different ip adresses to check hour and update, and that with all privacy enabled, snooping disabled.

Even the Entreprise version, which has more options to be turned off still has massive phone home connections.

It's not that I have anything to hide. But I don't feel like sharing my life with every company in the world.

I mean, a keylogger, hard coded into the OS. WTF MS!! It's not like if I loose my password, that you would hand me it out. Or in case of an HDD failure give me a backup of my data they copy. Because that is their excuse for all that transmitted data :lol: Every picture viewed in the photo app tranmits a lot of data to MS... just for statistics naturally

It's very strange for a company to harress so much to give out free stuff. And then bundle it so you kind of force people (dx12, free Forza, no Skylake support,....)

Some stuff with Win10 look great. Some don't. UWP seems to become the next GFWL (Tombraider and GOW having problems)....


The whole Win10 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, I don't get why so many people upgrade without the slightest refection on why MS is doing this....
 
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Ibonibo
Well, I wait to see what happens with the paid version.

It's rumored MS is working on a less NSA-induced W10, which probably is the paid version.

There's no free stuff in this world. You pay your free Win10 with your personal details.

If that version is the same... i won't bother. No OS needs to phone home 5000 different ip adresses to check hour and update, and that with all privacy enabled, snooping disabled.

Even the Entreprise version, which has more options to be turned off still has massive phone home connections.

It's not that I have anything to hide. But I don't feel like sharing my life with every company in the world.

I mean, a keylogger, hard coded into the OS. WTF MS!! It's not like if I loose my password, that you would hand me it out. Or in case of an HDD failure give me a backup of my data they copy. Because that is their excuse for all that transmitted data :lol: Every picture viewed in the photo app tranmits a lot of data to MS... just for statistics naturally

It's very strange for a company to harress so much to give out free stuff. And then bundle it so you kind of force people (dx12, free Forza, no Skylake support,....)

Some stuff with Win10 look great. Some don't. UWP seems to become the next GFWL (Tombraider and GOW having problems)....


The whole Win10 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, I don't get why so many people upgrade without the slightest refection on why MS is doing this....
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I think I will keep my Windows 7 I don't want to mess with my laptop.
 
Omnis
Well, linux is coming to Windows. No reason to use Mac now.
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Actually, no it's not. The bash command line shell and a number of development tools and command line utilities are being ported to Windows but that's it. In particular X is not being ported over. That means no GUIs, no "linux desktop". Of course there's always Cygwin, which has been around now for quite a few years. But it still has Windows running underneath, warts and all.

Me, I'll use my linux boxen for most of my day to day stuff and fire up the windoze box for the occasional game which doesn't work well under wine. Just like I've been doing for the past 15 or 20 years.
 
Ibonibo
The whole Win10 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, I don't get why so many people upgrade without the slightest refection on why MS is doing this....
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I downgraded all the machines in my house the minute I upgraded, security reasons aside it looked and functioned like a broken OS to me.
 
Ibonibo
Well, I wait to see what happens with the paid version.

It's rumored MS is working on a less NSA-induced W10, which probably is the paid version.

There's no free stuff in this world. You pay your free Win10 with your personal details.

If that version is the same... i won't bother. No OS needs to phone home 5000 different ip adresses to check hour and update, and that with all privacy enabled, snooping disabled.

Even the Entreprise version, which has more options to be turned off still has massive phone home connections.

It's not that I have anything to hide. But I don't feel like sharing my life with every company in the world.

I mean, a keylogger, hard coded into the OS. WTF MS!! It's not like if I loose my password, that you would hand me it out. Or in case of an HDD failure give me a backup of my data they copy. Because that is their excuse for all that transmitted data :lol: Every picture viewed in the photo app tranmits a lot of data to MS... just for statistics naturally

It's very strange for a company to harress so much to give out free stuff. And then bundle it so you kind of force people (dx12, free Forza, no Skylake support,....)

Some stuff with Win10 look great. Some don't. UWP seems to become the next GFWL (Tombraider and GOW having problems)....


The whole Win10 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, I don't get why so many people upgrade without the slightest refection on why MS is doing this....
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Curious, do you own a smartphone? Because they do just as much "snooping" and phoning home as W10 does. Google is also as much of a "keylogger" as W10 is. ie, it's really not.
 
Samus
Curious, do you own a smartphone? Because they do just as much "snooping" and phoning home as W10 does. Google is also as much of a "keylogger" as W10 is. ie, it's really not.
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Let alone all the individual apps you download.

Imo, its a good os. Many applications are now wanting to supoort it, versus telling you "oh well" and own a broken product.
 
Swagger897
Let alone all the individual apps you download.

Imo, its a good os. Many applications are now wanting to supoort it, versus telling you "oh well" and own a broken product.
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Except for a few niggles here and there I have no issues with W10. It's faster than W7 (I never used 8), has a few useful extra features and the telemetry really doesn't bother me. Not because "I've got nothing to hide" but because I understand what exactly they are tracking and the data they're receiving.
 
I'm getting a bunch of weird program incompatibilities and screwiness that I never got with Windows 7, but every time I snoop around to try to fix them I find out that it is actually something that 8.1 broke. Other than that I generally don't have any issues.
 
The start up is really fast and works quite stable. I had some issues with the start menu and task bar- sometimes it will stop responding. Looks like that problem has gone now. But I still sometimes get an error with the new image/ video viewer when quickly closing and opening photos.
 
Samus
Curious, do you own a smartphone? Because they do just as much "snooping" and phoning home as W10 does. Google is also as much of a "keylogger" as W10 is. ie, it's really not.
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Yes I own a rooted Galaxy S2 with Guardian Rom OS on it. No snooping there and I use my phone mainly as phone. Kid of the 80's.
For the apps, people are to blame if they download a flashlight app that needs access to internet, phone book, calander,....

At least they could give us the choice... if I don´t want to participate in the telemetry program (Norton gives me that choice for exemple), i should be able too. Even by going lenghts and firewall blocking all, doing reg edits, it still passes through.

Now you can say : Hey it´s a company, it can do with it products it wants.


MS gave you Win10 for free. So is it really yours? Is it a product or a service?
All points MS avoids and evades on every occassion.

And why do I get harressed on my legimate bought retail Win7 version with that upgrade. Some even forced upgraded.... (BTW, in EU at least, Windows bought copies (even only Key) are products that are owned by the customer with all the rights that it comes with.)

The whole Win10 is just not very kosher atm :boggled:. And we all know after Snowden how such entities work.... Information is key, as much for the NSA as for MS...
 
Ibonibo
Yes I own a rooted Galaxy S2 with Guardian Rom OS on it. No snooping there and I use my phone mainly as phone. Kid of the 80's.
For the apps, people are to blame if they download a flashlight app that needs access to internet, phone book, calander,....

At least they could give us the choice... if I don´t want to participate in the telemetry program (Norton gives me that choice for exemple), i should be able too. Even by going lenghts and firewall blocking all, doing reg edits, it still passes through.

Now you can say : Hey it´s a company, it can do with it products it wants.


MS gave you Win10 for free. So is it really yours? Is it a product or a service?
All points MS avoids and evades on every occassion.

And why do I get harressed on my legimate bought retail Win7 version with that upgrade. Some even forced upgraded.... (BTW, in EU at least, Windows bought copies (even only Key) are products that are owned by the customer with all the rights that it comes with.)

The whole Win10 is just not very kosher atm :boggled:. And we all know after Snowden how such entities work.... Information is key, as much for the NSA as for MS...
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Which bits of data specifically are you not happy they're collecting?
 
Samus
Which bits of data specifically are you not happy they're collecting?
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the company is not willing to be open about the collection of this data.

Microsoft keeps personally identifiable telemetry entries. It´s in the AUP
In the process of the Win10 Fall update, we learned that Microsoft had in its files historical settings for four security preferences : advertising ID, Background apps, SmartScreen Filter, and Sync with devices. For every single Windows 10 machine.

Microsoft encrypts everything prior to sending it to its servers, and it has yet to give a full accounting.
I also don't buy the idea that Microsoft is throwing away all of its personally identifiable telemetry data.

You can think of Microsoft's collection of information about you as innocent telemetry data. Or you can think of it as privacy-busting surveillance. Tomato/tomahto. The important question is how Microsoft will use the data. And how much you trust Microsoft to do what you feel is right. And my trust for big companies is slim.

Here a quote from Forbes
Microsoft needs to come clean and state everything it tracks, exactly what can and cannot be stopped by users and why. Now let's be clear: Windows 10 is Microsoft's product so it has the right to do whatever it likes with it, but only after a full disclosure to customers of its practices so they can make an informed choice about whether or not they wish to be a part of this data gathering process.
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Samus
Which bits of data specifically are you not happy they're collecting?
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Any data whatsoever, if they're not forthcoming about what they're collecting and why, what they're doing with it, and who they're sharing it with.

In addition, I require the option to opt out of any part of it.
 
Wasn't happy with the forced download, kept having laggy use throughout the system, finally fixed that. Then had an issue with black screen and cursor after log ins and that seems to have gone away after some messing around. Still not very trusting since the latest issue is supposed running out of memory any time I play my games, which is probably due to the fix I did on the first issue.
 
Next Update Notes:

(Source)

- Pen improvements:
App called Windows Ink is expected to be released. The app can pair with Microsoft Office, and create sticky notes, charts and graphs. The app stays active when the device is locked, so you don't need to enter a password to access your notes.

- Cortana Improvements:
Cortana is immediately active, even before you log in. Also, Cortana is active while the device is locked, so you don't need to enter a password to get quick help, or play music.

- Phone Improvements:
Windows 10 can now be accessed by way of your phone. By pairing your Windows phone with the OS, you can log in to your PC without your password.

- Games:
Introduces the "Games for Windows 10" DRM (for lack of a better term.) The DRM can connect with Xbox One players by way of Xbox Live. Also, a full slate of games from Microsoft Studios will be coming to PC, including Forza Motorsport 6: Apex, which will be free to Windows 10 users.
 
So I've never had a problem with Windows 10 till now. If I click the Windows Button the start menu won't open, Cortana doesn't work and neither do any of the other icons on the quick launch, unless it's Chrome or Microsoft Office. C'mon Microsoft.
 
Smurfybug
So I've never had a problem with Windows 10 till now. If I click the Windows Button the start menu won't open, Cortana doesn't work and neither do any of the other icons on the quick launch, unless it's Chrome or Microsoft Office. C'mon Microsoft.
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Had that happen the other day. I tried to restart but i couldnt even bring that up in the start menu. Eventually i came back to my computer and all seemed well.
 
Privoxy has decided to magically appear on my computer.

-> Installed Malwarebytes *sigh*
-> However Malwarebytes is blocking ip's. Which is good.
 
Swagger897
Had that happen the other day. I tried to restart but i couldnt even bring that up in the start menu. Eventually i came back to my computer and all seemed well.
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I'm just thinking about reinstalling through a usb. None of the commands work, I'm tired of playing around with it as well.
 
Smurfybug
Yes, many times. After I did that, it takes a while for it to load my desktop. Just a black screen with my mouse for one or two minutes and then it loads.
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That's strange. I think I had that problem when I had the 10 Preview installed on my computer (this was before 10 was released). Rebooting usually solves these problems.
 
If you end cortana's process, she comes strait back...

Its the beginning of the AI revolt! Everybody panic!
 
I think it's because cortana also incorporates the indexing/search function of explorer. To kill the cortana process permanently you have to disable 'Windows Search' from the services and by doing that you will lose the ability to use the 'Search' boxes in explorer.
 

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