Windows... 10?!?

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I can't update to Win10 for now due to Nvidia not making the 7300GT compatible with it. Currently waiting on Nvidia.
 
Guess what. Windows problems start all over again :D

Did a clean install (windows 7) a few days ago and the windows 10 icon is back. This time, I filled in my email address and I'm going to wait, very patiently, for windows to send me an email when my upgrade is ready to download.

Nah!
 
Guess what. Windows problems start all over again :D

Did a clean install (windows 7) a few days ago and the windows 10 icon is back. This time, I filled in my email address and I'm going to wait, very patiently, for windows to send me an email when my upgrade is ready to download.

Nah!

Well, I got my email yesterday evening. I did all my upgrading and clean install Thursday early in the morning. :lol:
 
I finally got my invitation that my upgrade is ready but I'm going to wait because of this:

Rolling Back From Windows 10 To Your Older OS Appears Problematic

The only way to know if you like Windows 10 or not, of course, is to upgrade your system and give it a try. (Some 14 million people did just that in the first 24 hours of availability, Microsoft reported.) However, if you want to go back to your old OS, it appears that you're on a timer: Microsoft confirmed to Tom's Hardware that users will have only one month to decide if they want to continue with Windows 10 or not.


A moderator on Tom's Hardware (darkbreeze) first discovered this issue, and when we reached out to Microsoft for more information, the answers we received raised some troubling potential issues.


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Our initial thought was that this "one month" business simply meant you couldn't revert directly back to an old OS from Windows 10, but what about rolling back by simply performing a clean installation of your old OS? When we asked about that specifically, Microsoft dodged the question.

At this point, then, we aren't certain if you can return to your old OS by using a clean install, because it is possible that Microsoft will invalidate old activation codes after that first month. This would seem in some way to align with Microsoft's upgrade deal, as you can only get your free Windows 10 by upgrading from your old OS; you can't use an old activation code.

The Hardware Issue

If you want a clean install of Windows 10, you must first upgrade from your old OS to Windows 10, and then re-install Windows 10 again (from installation media). Even though it formats your hard drive during installation, Windows 10 somehow remembers that you previously upgraded from an older OS, and it will self-activate after installation.

It isn't clear how Windows 10 does this, but it's likely because it saves the activation code somewhere else inside of your hardware. Some sort of online account-based activation would be far more conventional, but there is reason to suspect this other method is being used.

Microsoft informed us that a "meaningful" change to the hardware may require you to contact customer support in order to activate the system. This means that if you upgrade your system with a new motherboard or CPU, you may not be able to install Windows 10 without having to go through Microsoft's customer support, and even then, you may not be able to activate the system.

Microsoft has stated that even with customer support, some hardware changes will invalidate your free copy of Windows 10 and require you to purchase one. (This limitation does not exist in retail copies of Windows 10; those can be re-used by the user regardless of any hardware changes.)

This changes the possibility of deactivating old activation codes from an irritating problem for some users to a major problem for countless users. Tech enthusiasts stand to be hit hardest by this, as they might change the hardware inside of their systems multiple times a year. Now, these users will have to choose between upgrading a PC part or keeping their free copy of Windows 10.

The problem gets worse for users who have a part go bad and need a replacement, as they don't have a choice; they need to fix the part or they can't use their PC, and the cost of that repair, then, would also have to include whatever Microsoft is charging for a new copy of Windows 10 at the time.

You could simply go back to your old OS at that point to save a buck, but -- again, if Microsoft invalidates your old activation code, you may be stuck having to buy a new copy of Windows 10 anyway.

This policy from Microsoft was likely developed to avoid users installing the older OS on a separate system after upgrading to Windows 10, which is a perfectly acceptable thing for a company to do. After all, Microsoft still needs to make money, and if it just lets anyone use those old licenses inappropriately, then it would lose a lot of money from potential OS sales.

From the perspective of the consumer, however, these issues seem to jibe with Mozilla's assertion that Microsoft has reduced user choice in Windows 10, in this case by giving them very limited ability to downgrade the OS, re-install the OS or change hardware. The initial upgrade process itself is needlessly long and complicated, too.
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Maybe something similar has been posted already.

I'm going to wait with the upgrade. The only two reasons I want Windows10 are:

1) Future DX12 for gaming

2) it's free.
 
That's no good. Personally I'm unaffected by this as I use a laptop, but I can see how it will totally wreak havoc for gamers and tech enthusiasts that have to upgrade their hardware pretty frequently. Hope it gets changed in a future update (an online based system would be much more logical). Seriously Microsoft you have enough $$$, no need to resort to underhanded tactics like this...
 
Kind of hillarious.

You know that windows update will force you to download the update. Well, my W10 has its Windows update stuck on 4% forever :D thus nulling the force update.

(I actually try fix it by deleting the SoftwareDistribution folder. It refreshes but stuck on 4% again)
 
So will you need a Microsoft account for windows 10 ?

What does the so called "Getting to know you" thing do ?
 
You can have a local account just like you could in windows 8.
It is recommended since the online account can be annoying IMO
 
I finally got my invitation that my upgrade is ready but I'm going to wait because of this:

Source

Maybe something similar has been posted already.

I'm going to wait with the upgrade. The only two reasons I want Windows10 are:

1) Future DX12 for gaming

2) it's free.

There was a guy in the comment section who had been in contact with MS about the issue. Atleast for within the 1 year period and with retail version, you should be able to change hardware and install + upgrade without issues. Although it might be necessary to do a clean win7/8 install and then upgrade.
 
The whole upgrading issue seems strange. The installer probably saves the activation key temporarily while wiping the hard drive and saves it to the HDD again before installing. That's my best guess, at least, as I can't think of any other way for it to work. In that case, shouldn't one be fine as long as the hard drive with the activated Win10 remains in place, at least during the installation?

Eh, anyway. MS promised me a free upgrade to Win10 and I'll have me free upgrrrade to Win10, me hearrrties. Yarrr. I have me ways.
 
First order of business for me, change default "Computer" view from "Quick Access" back to "This PC".

Quick Access...
🤬 Access.
 
JvM
There was a guy in the comment section who had been in contact with MS about the issue. Atleast for within the 1 year period and with retail version, you should be able to change hardware and install + upgrade without issues. Although it might be necessary to do a clean win7/8 install and then upgrade.
I think I read this comment as well. It seems that the article is not entirely true.
 
Alright so Windows is pissing me off. I've done everything I can think of to change the default photo viewer to Windows Photo Viewer, rather than the Metro app Photos (I just don't like it)...

I've allowed it to open all photo extensions, set it as default, played in regedit, and re-did it all via this site. Yet, I still get Photos to bring open my pictures...

However, this only happens on files not yet imported to the laptop, ie, still on the SD or USB stick.
 
It's still telling me to wait, so I still can't get Windows 10. And I'm hesitant to force it in some fashion. What now?
 
One thing I do like about Windows 10 is how notifications are handled. For one thing, I set the Sports app to let me know when certain games start. I get a little notification that a game started. When the game is over, it lets me know the final score. Sadly since using the Windows 10 Sports app, my Astros have yet to win a baseball game. :(

I still mostly have positive reviews on Windows 10. I really don't have a whole lot to complain about or have any regrets about sticking to Windows 8.1 rather than go to W10. To each his/her own, though...
 
So it will wake up the laptop at 3am to download updates and will keep running until it drains the battery. For several nights in a row. Okey-dokey...
 
So it will wake up the laptop at 3am to download updates and will keep running until it drains the battery. For several nights in a row. Okey-dokey...

Just change the schedule
I do not know why microsoft use 3am.
 
I do not know why microsoft use 3am.

That time was primarily picked for office computers so the updates don't affect the work day. Frankly updates which happen once a week are annoying enough but as W10 is new I can imagine fixes are coming out everyday.
 
That time was primarily picked for office computers so the updates don't affect the work day. Frankly updates which happen once a week are annoying enough but as W10 is new I can imagine fixes are coming out everyday.

That is stupid, so disadvantage home users so benefit work places where they have their own system admins

Office computers are configured by an system admin who would set up windows update to run at a specific time.
The place where I work has windows update disabled.
 
That is stupid, so disadvantage home users so benefit work places where they have their own system admins

Office computers are configured by an system admin who would set up windows update to run at a specific time.
The place where I work has windows update disabled.

Yeah but surely they have to update the computers at some point or they will be vulnerable right?

I hate Windows Update, I only do it all at once maybe every 3 months.
 
Yeah but surely they have to update the computers at some point or they will be vulnerable right?

I hate Windows Update, I only do it all at once maybe every 3 months.

They might update them but since where I work runs programs for retail stock keeping, ordering, tracking, POS and several databases updates.
Windows update can cause problems.
 
I did a clean install of Win10 and so far I kind of hate it. Everything is too online-oriented. Windows is trying to wall my garden.
 
I'm really getting pissed off dealing with this ****. I don't want Metro ANYWHERE on my PC. The start menu is the biggest pain in the ass ever. I can't even set file associations without going through a menu maze. AND IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN I DO. 🤬

Honest to God, it's like they took Windows and noobified it. Next computer is going to be a mac at this rate.
 
Installed Win10 some days ago. The biggest and best surprise is the hugely improved computer boot time.
As for the menus... too many unnecessary stuff. Good thing they can be turned off.
 
I'm really getting pissed off dealing with this ****. I don't want Metro ANYWHERE on my PC. The start menu is the biggest pain in the ass ever. I can't even set file associations without going through a menu maze. AND IT DOESN'T WORK WHEN I DO. 🤬

Honest to God, it's like they took Windows and noobified it. Next computer is going to be a mac at this rate.

If you do not like the start menu.

Install classic shell

Just rename the installer from classicshell.exe to microstupid.exe

Microsoft have blocked the installation of classic shell on windows 10, you just need to rename the installer to by pass the block from what a few sites have said.
 
If you do not like the start menu.

Install classic shell

Just rename the installer from classicshell.exe to microstupid.exe

Microsoft have blocked the installation of classic shell on windows 10, you just need to rename the installer to by pass the block from what a few sites have said.

Thanks. I'm this close to doing just that. :lol: Hate all this gray noob mess.
 
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