WMA International Touring Car Championship Season II

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Which points system should we use?

  • 1: 40 per race, 20 pole position, 0 points second in qualifying

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Well that's fault for overtaking off track limits then.

Track limits that where not mentioned, or told pre race by anyone.

It's explained in WMA Conduct Regulations, which functions as the WMA rulebook. Basically, it says that pit lane lines should never be crossed. You crossed the lines, forcing polar over the lines, forcing him to graze the side of the pit wall and lose 2-3 positions.

Edit: And the ITCC Conduct Guidelines:

Section 2.2;

- Every driver mustn’t cross the painted lines upon entering/exiting the pits..
- The painted lines will be clarified before EVERY race, about two days before each race. (if necessary)
 
It's explained in WMA Conduct Regulations, which functions as the WMA rulebook. Basically, it says that pit lane lines should never be crossed. You crossed the lines, forcing polar over the lines, forcing him to graze the side of the pit wall and lose 2-3 positions.

I look forward to the rest of the field getting penalties as well. WMA my backside. Common sense. And Polar in that case requires further penalty for attempting a multiple overtake by going over pit lines.

Section 2.2;

- Every driver mustn’t cross the painted lines upon entering/exiting the pits..
- The painted lines will be clarified before EVERY race, about two days before each race. (if necessary)

That's ONLY if your entering and exiting the pit lane.
 
I look forward to the rest of the field getting penalties as well. WMA my backside. Common sense. And Polar in that case requires further penalty for attempting a multiple overtake by going over pit lines.

He was within track limits upon commencing the attempt, and was forced off. He had nowhere to go.

The rest of the field? So, Carbonox, Lancer, Sakery, Scassatore, polarbear, Furinkazen, and Batista, who all had their fair share of bumping, they should all be penalized? Does anyone except RACECAR, whiskymaser or I really get an advantage then?

That's ONLY if your entering and exiting the pit lane.

Refuelling etc., is banned. The rule remains in place, because during qualifying, no one wants to be blocked by someone coming out of the pits, and during the race, no one wants to be pushed into the pits. (it almost happened last season, the responsible driver was banned.)
 
Furi's blocking was very little compared to another person who would have deserved disqualification at Race 2...
 
He was within track limits upon commencing the attempt, and was forced off. He had nowhere to go.
So he should have backed out then if he was going to be an off limits part of track.

The rest of the field? So, Lancer (ridiculous rear ending), Sakery (aggressive but was provoked), Scassatore (terrible trying to take people out), polarbear (illegal track limits), , who all had their fair share of bumping, they should all be penalized?

Fixed for ya.

Refuelling etc., is banned. The rule remains in place, because during qualifying, no one wants to be blocked by someone coming out of the pits, and during the race, no one wants to be pushed into the pits. (it almost happened last season, the responsible driver was banned.)

Which was not mentioned pre race by the league host or any of his aides at any time. That thing with Polar was the one time I blocked, as I was sick of being rear ended and dive bombed off the track near enough every corner.
 
Well, I'm just going to casually end this public conversation, temporarily, and wait until we can sort ourselves out beforehand. Stop posting, the thread's going dark for a bit.
 
And we're back, 6 minutes of closed thread for PMs to be sent.
 
ITCC Server had some downtime. Got broken by divebombers. :lol:
 
And also you guys honestly need to calm the hell down and learn some racecraft.

I've not seen such a dirty race in TOCA since the old Season 2 days nearly two years ago. Half of what went on yesterday would be penalised in a much stricter way.

I raced you guys like you guys were racing me/us. I'm perfectly capable of keeping it clean if the people I'm racing keep it clean too. And remember we're actually going for a championship with real prizes, not showing up for :censored:s and giggles.

You must not have been paying attention at TOCA7 round 1, then.
 
I raced you guys like you guys were racing me/us. I'm perfectly capable of keeping it clean if the people I'm racing keep it clean too. And remember we're actually going for a championship with real prizes, not showing up for :censored:s and giggles.

You must not have been paying attention at TOCA7 round 1, then.

Then you hopefully didn't mind that the others treated you the same as you treated them back there...
 
Then you hopefully didn't mind that the others treated you the same as you treated them back there...

Says you! I accidentally bumped you, you "accidentally" bumped me, and then we apologized and were men.
 
Good god. I know it's the ITCC now. I'll have to Skype polar and Mel this afternoon when I'm back in town. I will have unbiased insight on the srewarding because I wasn't there and I will be watching replays.
 
Good god. I know it's the ITCC now. I'll have to Skype polar and Mel this afternoon when I'm back in town. I will have unbiased insight on the srewarding because I wasn't there and I will be watching replays.

I was hoping you would've come yesterday, there were two Meganes for you to complain about instead of just one! :sly:
 
LancerEvo7
I was hoping you would've come yesterday, there were two Meganes for you to complain about instead of just one! :sly:

Well let's just say I've been told the megane isn't the biggest problem anymore.
 
I was hoping you would've come yesterday, there were two Meganes for you to complain about instead of just one! :sly:

Your fastest lap in race 1 was ~.4 faster than anyone else :sly:
 
polarbear345
Your fastest lap in race 1 was ~.4 faster than anyone else :sly:

Hmmmm. Maybe we still have dirty work afoot :p
 
First: Sorry for my aggresiveness and the bumps I handed out. My Golf yould make higher Cornerspeeds than others => I should have adapt to them.

Second:
I was forced of the line, pushed into walls in a clean Series
=> I didn´t want to take part in R2 so I left and called it a day.

In addition those persons didn´t knew they drove badly and didn´t accept that => I even had a bigger reason to leave.

I was infront in those situations and the other drivers didn´t backoff ??
Really ??
That is pure BS !!
Yesterday there was NO respect for Cars, drivingline and OLR//WMA-Rules.
I´m not sinless and I take the warning like a man but above things still discussion-worthy.
 
Warning: This might take a while, to re-review the incidents.
 
Well, I'm only at lap 10 of the second race, and I can say:

MrM - voluntarily giving myself a penalty for ever so slightly bumping furi, since he complained. I thought he knew that I was alongside, and he didn't, so I ran out of track. Sorry.

P.S., don't blame batista anymore, we're both in white BMWs, and he did even better than I did.

Scassatore - penalty remains, took polarbear345 and whiskymaser out. I even got a phone call from whiskymaser telling me about the poor conduct. Strange, since this is the guy who often mentions bringing out the Dodge Ram Laramie to teach people how to drive with respect. :lol:

Batista - anyone with a replay of Race 2, go watch it from batista's perspective. He's a good role model for clean passes. He and Furinkazen did okay in Race 2.

Edit:

LancerEvo7 - 10 point penalty for "guard-railing" on laps 13 & 15 in Turn 1. (Don't ever use another car to turn your own, under any circumstances.)

Edit #2:

As for the incident on the last lap of Race 1, on the final straightaway, if furinkazen hadn't pushed polar's car (albeit gently) into the wall, the bump that occurred wouldn't have resulted in a little bit of a boost in speed to furinkazen; he wouldn't have beat Lancer.

It's a tough call, though, because I don't feel that there's a "most correct" penalty. What furinkazen did was wrong, but, the only options I really have are: give the win to Lancer (who did a fair amount of bumping himself,) polarbear, (who, following speculation, could've won, if he hadn't been blocked,) or Sakery; he drove clean, mainly, but wasn't quite in a position to win, following or before the incident.

So, it's a really tough call.

Furinkazen really shouldn't have moved over that far, to put polar into the pit wall, even slightly. With the draft, furinkazen would've been alongside Lancer for a photo finish, even without getting a glitch-boost of 2-3 km/h from pushing polarbear into the pit wall. It seems that the wise decision Furinkazen could've made, would've been to draft off of Lancer for as long as possible, then swing by Lancer to the left, leaving polarbear out of the draft for too long, which still would've left polarbear in third, Lancer in second, and Furinkazen in the winner's circle.

Why Furinkazen went to the right, almost into pit lane himself, instead of using the track to the left is unknown.

However, two corners earlier, Furinkazen makes a move across the entire track (permissible, however, as it was only one move.) However, this move actually put Furinkazen off of the track on the right side of the course, making him skid across the track towards the left, blocking the traffic. This slowed down the momentum of the field, and bunched the other cars up; admittedly, every driver was working with very little space.

Lancer maintained his line, and remained at full-throttle. When Furinkazen and polarbear made contact, furinkazen got a very large boost of speed that propelled him past Lancer. He used polarbear's momentum by blocking. The final push into the pit wall was enough to ensure an easy victory over Lancer, polarbear, and Sakery.

Final result: LancerEvo7 warned for last lap bumping, furinkazen will receive his one second penalty. Decision is final.

There will be no "sorry" or anything, the appeal was conducted fairly, with no bias. The facts were clear; Furinkazen used contact with his car to gain an advantage, by disadvantaging polarbear. Polarbear was forced out of the acceptable confines of the racetrack in an accidental decision to try to pass Furinkazen. His car is clearly seen trying to pull back in line, behind Furinkazen's Volvo. Though the brakes were not used, every other reasonable effort was made; polarbear was definitely steering his vehicle towards the accepted racing surface, attempting to avoid pit-entry.
 
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I even got a phone call from whiskymaser telling me about the poor conduct. Strange, since this is the guy who often mentions bringing out the Dodge Ram Laramie to teach people how to drive with respect. :lol:

hey its got 4 doors and would be in the correct specs. Dont Tempt ME.
i can do a mean tranny edit on it
 
hey its got 4 doors and would be in the correct specs. Dont Tempt ME.
i can do a mean tranny edit on it

He's got a point. Even if it would be immensely overweight and vastly overpowered compared to the "normal" vehicles.
 
He's got a point. Even if it would be immensely overweight and vastly overpowered compared to the "normal" vehicles.

He does have a point. But, his point is only valid if he wishes to be removed from the series for contact. Everyone, including even my best friend, has to be treated equally. If he pulls out a truck, I let him race; as you mention, the truck fits restrictions. If he uses the truck for mayhem, chaos, and to put holes in GT5's space-time continuum, he'll be removed... Like you were. :dopey:
 
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This fits for Grand Valley East and Nürburgring GP/D the most, really.

Don't do it! Don't guardrail the other drivers. Don't spin them, don't cause chaos, and don't brake on the exit of the corner, after using Carbonox's rear bumper as a brake.

P.S., I'm sorry Carbonox. :lol:
 
Can I have some video example of where I 'guard-railed' other cars when you get a chance, please?

EDIT: And the last lap bumping I got a warning for. You never mentioned it in the paragraph.

EDIT2: Unless it's race 2, I know exactly what you're talking about in that case.
 
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After reading that wall of text, I think I did somewhat nicely back there since I was never mentioned. :p
 
@ Lancer, it was race 2, yes.

@ Carbonox, you didn't do anything wrong, I admit.
 
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