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[MonzaDriver1]

Yes, it does fit with the replays. I'm well accustomed to the replays because I'm chasing them all the time.

I clearly explained what separates you from them, you are now deciding not to listen to logic. You are not accepting that they are on the brakes later, on the power earlier and controlling the car better than you, with the same equipment, by a large margin.

The fact that you find it absolutely impossible that these guys are beating you on pure skill alone is just testament to how good they are, so please continue. But if you insist, I will put your mind at ease.

I will race you online in GT5 to prove I am not cheating, your settings, and I will obliterate you. Accept the challenge? Add me.

Sorry if I return only now to the topic,
well dear ShaneUk nothng in the replys fit with smooth driving.
It's strange you have this opinion.
And to reply also to Brianm3 I've read lot of times and from beginning to end
a book called " Going Faster " from the Skip Barber school.
A terrific book. I was so enthusiast about this GT5 that I brought this book to discover differences from the attitude of real racing cars and this simulation. I was afraid that my desire to drive let me " see " to much inside GT5. And like Brianm3 wrote it's amazing how many things you read in those books you can also apply inside GT5.
Aside the fact that I dont know how to join an on line race.
if I have a lot of doubts, dear ShaneUk, why I would join a challenge with you or anyone else. I really dont want to be offensive here, I just didn't get the point. In any case it would be great to try online.
ShaneUk dont think that all the words of all you are wasted.
I am, giving a try to what you said, it's totally against my nature and driving,
but I am trying.
MonzaDriver1

 

[blame110]

I've been in racing simulation for 3 years and I consider myself a fast driver, but not near a alien... I've been racing iracing and rfactor and in the last weeks i bought a ps3 for the gta...

I have won lot of races and even a league, but I'm two seconds from the best time, you should think about this: in this competition are racing the world best online drivers, I don't know what is your experience with racing simulation, but this drivers are called aliens because they are pros.. I think that most of them are better drivers that most of professional drivers but they never had the oportunity or the money...

If you are not a very experienced online driver and race with the best of the best (iracing A f1 or best gt,,rfactor lfs leagues..) you should aim to improve your driving skills and put yourself a goal.. (mi goal is a high 17...)

In the lower category of gt spanish oficial forum competition (class G) allmost all the drivers broke the 2:21, and most of the are using gamepad and have little experience

For racing online inside the gt5 is an option where you can see all the online rooms... but it is best if you look for a gt competition, you will learn faster

Sorry for my english, I'm spanish

 

[magsolid]

I've been in racing simulation for 3 years and I consider myself a fast driver, but not near a alien... I've been racing iracing and rfactor and in the last weeks i bought a ps3 for the gta...

I have won lot of races and even a league, but I'm two seconds from the best time, you should think about this: in this competition are racing the world best online drivers, I don't know what is your experience with racing simulation, but this drivers are called aliens because they are pros.. I think that most of them are better drivers that most of professional drivers but they never had the oportunity or the money...

If you are not a very experienced online driver and race with the best of the best (iracing A f1 or best gt,,rfactor lfs leagues..) you should aim to improve your driving skills and put yourself a goal.. (mi goal is a high 17...)

In the lower category of gt spanish oficial forum competition (class G) allmost all the drivers broke the 2:21, and most of the are using gamepad and have little experience

For racing online inside the gt5 is an option where you can see all the online rooms... but it is best if you look for a gt competition, you will learn faster

Sorry for my english, I'm spanish

To me GT5 online racing is a bumper car mess. Other racing game does better at online racing.

 

[CinnamonOD]

Because there are a lot of people that doesn't take it so serious like many of us do, that's the way for them to have fun
They're called casual gamers

 

[KingBestJr]

I can guarantee you this, if it was a average lap time over 20 laps insgead of just one flyer Im willing to.bet the same guys would be up top on leaderboards.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

I've been in racing simulation for 3 years and I consider myself a fast driver, but not near a alien... I've been racing iracing and rfactor and in the last weeks i bought a ps3 for the gta...

I have won lot of races and even a league, but I'm two seconds from the best time, you should think about this: in this competition are racing the world best online drivers, I don't know what is your experience with racing simulation, but this drivers are called aliens because they are pros.. I think that most of them are better drivers that most of professional drivers but they never had the oportunity or the money...

If you are not a very experienced online driver and race with the best of the best (iracing A f1 or best gt,,rfactor lfs leagues..) you should aim to improve your driving skills and put yourself a goal.. (mi goal is a high 17...)

In the lower category of gt spanish oficial forum competition (class G) allmost all the drivers broke the 2:21, and most of the are using gamepad and have little experience

For racing online inside the gt5 is an option where you can see all the online rooms... but it is best if you look for a gt competition, you will learn faster

Sorry for my english, I'm spanish

Thank you for all the indications blame110,
yes I can easily understand that they are very good drivers,
in fact also on my very first post I specified skilled with the software and the steering wheel. Meaning they drive well anyway.
I've tried a lot this " style " of accelerate toward the apex while braking.......
the car slide in the most unnatural manner and at the apex I am slower than before. Plus the car doesn't keep momentum. I am speaking about few bends not that I am able to do it all along Silverstone. And for speed at the apex I always intend at the exit I am on the racing line.
Thank you ciao.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

Because there are a lot of people that doesn't take it so serious like many of us do, that's the way for them to have fun
They're called casual gamers

Casual gamer it's the most gently definition I have had until now,
anyway I am not, I spend all my time in driving endurance races,
with a car that doen't win easily, and find this balance also took time.
I mean my passion is drive the real distance of the race,
and see how this influence my drivng, to resist when you became tired.
the set-up of the car, related to my driving for so long, and dont make mistakes. I mean even if the car doesn't broke, I now that if I end-up on the guard-rail at the Porsche curves at Le Mans your 24 hours is finished.
I dont need GT5 tells me this.
Ciao MonzaDriver1

 

[LeMansAid]

I hadn't tried the lap until yesterday. Even just giving it a casual spin to check out the feel, the sub-2.24 that you are/were aiming for was easily achieved. In addition, the points where I was losing time were very recognisable. If I could stitch my best sectors together, the result would suggest that there is no reason to question the top times.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

I hadn't tried the lap until yesterday. Even just giving it a casual spin to check out the feel, the sub-2.24 that you are/were aiming for was easily achieved. In addition, the points where I was losing time were very recognisable. If I could stitch my best sectors together, the result would suggest that there is no reason to question the top times.

Ciao,
if you put together all your best sectors, that could not means 7 seconds.
Maybe also if the track is brand new for you, you cannot improve by 7 seconds.

MonzaDriver1

 

[Spurgy 777]

Ciao,
if you put together all your best sectors, that could not means 7 seconds.
Maybe also if the track is brand new for you, you cannot improve by 7 seconds.

MonzaDriver1

He might be able to, he said the 2.24 was easy for him. I don't really get what you're saying about the guys up top, there's no reason to doubt their times and there's no reason to doubt they will be able to drive real cars just as quickly.

 

[ASH32]

He might be able to, he said the 2.24 was easy for him. I don't really get what you're saying about the guys up top, there's no reason to doubt their times and there's no reason to doubt they will be able to drive real cars just as quickly.

Yes this and it's been stated many times now, the fast guys are not cheating.

My best lap is only a 2'18.8 and wish I was faster but I just don't have the talent that they have, I'm prepared to accept that, it seems the OP is not.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Snip ... there's no reason to doubt they will be able to drive real cars just as quickly.

I doubt all of them who are lightning fast will be able to drive real cars with the same pace. Take a look at past years race camp videos, they would need proper training to drive real quick in the track. There's a compilation of crashes video on GTA channel, one of them was caused by the 370Z with no ABS - wheel lock up. Experience plays a lot too I am sure some of the top drivers in the GTA TT now have experiences with kart or driving a car. Even with kart experience, sometimes a person can be caught off guard when handling manual high power car with no aids ( TC and ABS ). I thinks it's best for the top drivers now to get onto track days ( club racing ) with moderate power street cars as often as possible, preferably a car without electronics ( TC, EBD, ABS etc ) - even better if they can get someone with more track racing experience to guide them.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

I doubt all of them who are lightning fast will be able to drive real cars with the same pace. Take a look at past years race camp videos, they would need proper training to drive real quick in the track. There's a compilation of crashes video on GTA channel, one of them was caused by the 370Z with no ABS - wheel lock up. Experience plays a lot too I am sure some of the top drivers in the GTA TT now have experiences with kart or driving a car. Even with kart experience, sometimes a person can be caught off guard when handling manual high power car with no aids ( TC and ABS ). I thinks it's best for the top drivers now to get onto track days ( club racing ) with moderate power street cars as often as possible, preferably a car without electronics ( TC, EBD, ABS etc ) - even better if they can get someone with more track racing experience to guide them.

I agree Ridox2JZGTE,
me too I noticed that on YouTube,
too bad they show footages like a reality show,
and you cannot evaluate and appreciate anything.
Surely the way they drive on GTA cannot help them in real life.
Anyway because it's important to be honest,the qualifiyng lap of Spurgy777
it's not bad at all.
Ciao, MonzaDriver1

 

[Jump_Ace]

It´s all about practice and trying different things. Sometimes less is more. Braking more on the loop and also on Maggots, Becketts and Chapel have actually made me faster. Sometimes we´re pushing it too much and ruining the laps without even knowing.

Same thing happened to me buddy. Brake a little more to help position car to get on the gas sooner and gain a higher top speed for the straight 👍


Jerome

 

[LeMansAid]

@Monza - I also doubt that I would gain 7 seconds, but not because it is not humanly possible. Rather, because I am well below the standard required for such feats.

My point is that if my moderate ability coupled with time to gain consistency could achieve a respectable time (maybe 2.20?, don't know), then high level ability coupled with the input of time could surely reach the times at the top.

@Ridox - You are also saying the right thing for the wrong reason. I agree that they will not be as fast in real life, but not because of a lack of talent, or an inability to transfer talent. It's real life.... life..... precious life. Not a game. If these guys tore up the real life track GTA style they would make Grojean look like a timid Sunday driver. They may not be the best in the world, but the best in the world are not the best in the world. They are best of the ones who had the opportunity. Opportunity = connections, wealth, etc.

 

[IjoinedforShane]

Yes, it does fit with the replays. I'm well accustomed to the replays because I'm chasing them all the time.

I clearly explained what separates you from them, you are now deciding not to listen to logic. You are not accepting that they are on the brakes later, on the power earlier and controlling the car better than you, with the same equipment, by a large margin.

The fact that you find it absolutely impossible that these guys are beating you on pure skill alone is just testament to how good they are, so please continue. But if you insist, I will put your mind at ease.

I will race you online in GT5 to prove I am not cheating, your settings, and I will obliterate you. Accept the challenge? Add me.

I too believe you are cheating and i accept your challenge. I'll add you.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I too believe you are cheating and i accept your challenge. I'll add you.

Is this a serious post? if it is, I'll happily come along as well.

Oh and Monza, you would be surprised how similar the driving techniques are on a game compared to real life. Just because drifting is faster, you still have to nail your lines, turn in points, braking points and when to accelerate, which are all skills that come in very useful in real life. Also real life drivers, like Vettel for example, purposely drift their cars, just no where near as obviously as in GTA.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

@Ridox - You are also saying the right thing for the wrong reason. I agree that they will not be as fast in real life, but not because of a lack of talent, or an inability to transfer talent. It's real life.... life..... precious life. Not a game. If these guys tore up the real life track GTA style they would make Grojean look like a timid Sunday driver. They may not be the best in the world, but the best in the world are not the best in the world. They are best of the ones who had the opportunity. Opportunity = connections, wealth, etc.

You read my post the wrong way All I am saying is those finalist may be skilled and fast in game ( TT ), but their driving skills and pace in real life would need a lot improvement to be able to compete in international level events, which is why Nissan will give them intensive training even before they qualified for international racing license. When you see how some of the finalists makes driver error due to inexperience, you'll know because of their lack of real life track driving ( the infamous crash compilation ). Nissan gave strict rules about contestants requirements of past racing experiences, they want fresh new talents to be trained..

If you want to see professional racing drivers tear up the track with aggressive exits and slides, check out Hot Version videos, you'll often see Orido, Tsuchiya and a host of other crazy drivers drive like in GTA, slower but more fun to watch ( Touge Battles FTW - dangerous driving at it's best ). I consider that there's no best in the world in terms of pro racing driver, I always view them from their personality on and off track, their driving style, versatility, finesse in car control at the edge and pace.

 

[USARMYCOMBATVET]

Slip angle. Some of us can control it more than others. Those guys are at the top. Every year, this argument comes up: "Well, I cannot match their times even during my best lap, therefore, they're cheating." Simply not knowing how to race as well as those who can is not proof of cheating. I hit a brick wall at 2:22.271. I'm also honest enough with myself and others to admit its my own skill level, experience, and knowledge of racing which are to blame.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Slip angle. Some of us can control it more than others. Those guys are at the top. Every year, this argument comes up: "Well, I cannot match their times even during my best lap, therefore, they're cheating." Simply not knowing how to race as well as those who can is not proof of cheating. I hit a brick wall at 2:22.271. I'm also honest enough with myself and others to admit its my own skill level, experience, and knowledge of racing which are to blame.

I don't get why some people think that their theoretical best laps are the best laps possible, I don't think even Ti-tech would claim that.

 

[ASH32]

I don't get why some people think that their theoretical best laps are the best laps possible, I don't think even Ti-tech would claim that.

Yes there is always time out there, however good you are. It's just gets harder to find the faster you go.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

Is this a serious post? if it is, I'll happily come along as well.

Oh and Monza, you would be surprised how similar the driving techniques are on a game compared to real life. Just because drifting is faster, you still have to nail your lines, turn in points, braking points and when to accelerate, which are all skills that come in very useful in real life. Also real life drivers, like Vettel for example, purposely drift their cars, just no where near as obviously as in GTA.

Ciao,
in fact another thing I would like to ask you is what helped you most,
in racing that Formula, learned from GT5 or whatever simulation,
and what you find absolutly different from PS3 / PC to real life.
Sorry I cannot stand Vettel in any way in any manner for any reason.

Sorry but we are speaking about what you British call 4 wheel drift.
Meaning the search for a perfect equilibrium between fore and rear wheels.
in real life or a kind of new tecnique possible because GT6 defects?

In your footages it seems to me you oversteer because of rain an a too much stiff suspensions not because you were trying different things in driving.
MonzaDriver1

 

[Spurgy 777]

Ciao,
in fact another thing I would like to ask you is what helped you most,
in racing that Formula, learned from GT5 or whatever simulation,
and what you find absolutly different from PS3 / PC to real life.
Sorry I cannot stand Vettel in any way in any manner for any reason.

Sorry but we are speaking about what you British call 4 wheel drift.
Meaning the search for a perfect equilibrium between fore and rear wheels.
in real life or a kind of new tecnique possible because GT6 defects?

In your footages it seems to me you oversteer because of rain an a too much stiff suspensions not because you were trying different things in driving.
MonzaDriver1

The main thing that I find helps playing on GT5, is it develops the skills I mentioned earlier, finding the correct braking points, getting the right lines, how much turn in you need, correcting oversteer/understeer, and knowing when to apply the throttle.

If you do online races which is what I prefer, it also develops your race craft, how to judge overtaking manoeuvres, and how to deal with traffic. And you tend to drive more realistically, not getting quite so close to the limit and instead going for smoothness and consistency.

There are things that it doesn't help with, mostly that involves dealing with the G forces, but racing sims definitely give you a good starting point to build on.

Now for the "drifting", the technique they are using is to basically allow the car to oversteer so they can get better turn in. That technique is just as valid in real life, but due to the tyres in real life giving up their grip a lot quicker, you can't get anywhere near the angles the guys up top in GTA are using. However the principles are the same, slide the back end to the limit of grip to get better turn in. The defect of GT6 is giving a really high limit of grip. The end result is that in real life, if you notice the oversteer, it's too much oversteer, like in my videos.

 

[Captain Roh]

Hello Monza. I've not had chance to read the whole discussion but in your opening post you mention weight transfer quite a lot. The replay for alien drivers does not show all the movements they are making in that split second in order to keep the car under control. Counter steer and throttle management keep all four wheels in traction or as close as is possible. You can hit apex 'x' at 68mph just as they do, but I suspect your DFGT (DS3.. etc, etc) inputs are very very different. The diffenence between my 2:19... and Spurgy's 2:16... is control. Like others have said, it may look like sliding in rain, but the tyres are at the limit of adhesion with such perfect accuracy you can't tell the difference between traction and no traction. I hope you understand. Happy racing and good luck getting into the 2:22's! Aim higher

 

[ShaneUK]

I too believe you are cheating and i accept your challenge. I'll add you.

Pahaha! I look forward to this after the academy. I need all the practice I can get!

 

[MonzaDriver1]

Hello Monza. I've not had chance to read the whole discussion but in your opening post you mention weight transfer quite a lot. The replay for alien drivers does not show all the movements they are making in that split second in order to keep the car under control. Counter steer and throttle management keep all four wheels in traction or as close as is possible. You can hit apex 'x' at 68mph just as they do, but I suspect your DFGT (DS3.. etc, etc) inputs are very very different. The diffenence between my 2:19... and Spurgy's 2:16... is control. Like others have said, it may look like sliding in rain, but the tyres are at the limit of adhesion with such perfect accuracy you can't tell the difference between traction and no traction. I hope you understand. Happy racing and good luck getting into the 2:22's! Aim higher

Thank you Captain,
sorry I didn't understand your phrase
" you can't tell the difference between traction and no traction"
For the other parts of your post yes, in some apex I am even faster, in some dont, and the braking points are really close, and trust me I am speaking about staying on the racing line. For that 7 seconds is too much.
I mentioned weight transfer because in fast bends, where I am 7 miles slower it means much in my opinion.
Anyway tomorrow morning I'll give another try.
Ciao.

 

[iamsupernasty]

You simply are not talented or experienced enough to realize what you're doing wrong. Nobody is cheating, it's just really freaking difficult and has taken years and thousands of hours for the fast guys to figure it out.

I have no idea what you're doing wrong, but if you want proof that you really are that outclassed, do some serious online racing.

P.s. I just missed my stop on the train because I was typing this message. Gosh darnit!

 

[gtpcaine]

.... lol

that's all I can say on this topic!

 

[Spurgy 777]

Thank you Captain,
sorry I didn't understand your phrase
" you can't tell the difference between traction and no traction"
For the other parts of your post yes, in some apex I am even faster, in some dont, and the braking points are really close, and trust me I am speaking about staying on the racing line. For that 7 seconds is too much.
I mentioned weight transfer because in fast bends, where I am 7 miles slower it means much in my opinion.
Anyway tomorrow morning I'll give another try.
Ciao.

You do realise apex speeds aren't that important? You're probably losing a lot of time on the exit if you have a faster apex speed.

 

[MonzaDriver1]

You simply are not talented or experienced enough to realize what you're doing wrong. Nobody is cheating, it's just really freaking difficult and has taken years and thousands of hours for the fast guys to figure it out.

I have no idea what you're doing wrong, but if you want proof that you really are that outclassed, do some serious online racing.

P.s. I just missed my stop on the train because I was typing this message. Gosh darnit!

Coming out from the apex, at the same speed,
I am not talented enough to keep the foot down on the straight,
Only passion and no talent at all it seems.
MonzaDriver1