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ITCC_Andrew
And, yes, I can totally bash your opinion for basically saying that someone who drives in WRC isn't WRC material. It's called hypocrisy, and it's an invalid opinion.
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Isn't it blindingly obvious that he meant the top rung of the WRC, in the full blown cars? It's kind of like calling GP3 Formula One because they race at the same place on the same weekend.
 
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ITCC_Andrew
So, you contradicted yourself.

WRC is WRC.


And, yes, I can totally bash your opinion for basically saying that someone who drives in WRC isn't WRC material. It's called hypocrisy, and it's an invalid opinion.
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adam46
Isn't it blindingly obvious that he meant the top rung of the WRC, in the full blown cars?
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Apparently not :rolleyes:
 
No, I decided to remind him that WRC is WRC. WRC1 is - currently - beyond Leo's price range. He needs sponsors who will notice - as normal - how well he/his personality sells things... And he isn't exactly slow but rather inconsistent.


Trust me, the biggest step is to make it overseas. He's one of only a very, very select few Canadian rally drivers to make it into WRC in a long time. He will make some sort of splash.


Don't forget, though, that he's starting on the lowest rung and working up from there - which is the ideal method, since it will help him adjust to the rules etc.
 
ITCC_Andrew
No, I decided to remind him that WRC is WRC. WRC1 is - currently - beyond Leo's price range. He needs sponsors who will notice - as normal - how well he/his personality sells things... And he isn't exactly slow but rather inconsistent.


Trust me, the biggest step is to make it overseas. He's one of only a very, very select few Canadian rally drivers to make it into WRC in a long time. He will make some sort of splash.


Don't forget, though, that he's starting on the lowest rung and working up from there - which is the ideal method, since it will help him adjust to the rules etc.
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Considering i've followed WRC for 10 years, I know the difference. Taking apart the "blah blah your opinion sux you are full of hypocrisy" trash from the post, the point is if he's so good in Canada why can he not get any sponsorship? A CRC Impreza takes him into what, a little Fiesta? Step backwards much?
 
ITCC_Andrew
No, I decided to remind him that WRC is WRC. WRC1 is - currently - beyond Leo's price range. He needs sponsors who will notice - as normal - how well he/his personality sells things... And he isn't exactly slow but rather inconsistent.
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If he is everything you say he is, then I doubt he will get a WRC-2 car, much less a drive in the premier class. He's not even driving a proper WRC-3 car - he's got an ex-JWRC Fiesta R2.
 
ITCC_Andrew
Trust me, the biggest step is to make it overseas. He's one of only a very, very select few Canadian rally drivers to make it into WRC in a long time. He will make some sort of splash.
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There's seriously so much crap coming out of your mouth that your butt is jealous.

I remember when we said the exact same thing about Patrick Richard. And Frank Sprongl. And Tom McGeer. And Andrew Comrie-Picard. And Antoine L'Estage. And Paul Choiniere. And out of those, only Richard made it to the international scene, with Subaru's backing and a factory Group N car, and didn't do anything worth a damn.

North America is not a market for rallying, it never really has been. First you need the funds, which, even if you have them (I'm looking at you, Mr. Block) doesn't mean you'll be competitive. Leo is neither. He's a crazy guy that attracts the masses, but he's far from being actual WRC material.
 
-Fred-
There's seriously so much crap coming out of your mouth that your butt is jealous.

I remember when we said the exact same thing about Patrick Richard. And Frank Sprongl. And Tom McGeer. And Andrew Comrie-Picard. And Antoine L'Estage. And Paul Choiniere. And out of those, only Richard made it to the international scene, with Subaru's backing and a factory Group N car, and didn't do anything worth a damn.

North America is not a market for rallying, it never really has been. First you need the funds, which, even if you have them (I'm looking at you, Mr. Block) doesn't mean you'll be competitive. Leo is neither. He's a crazy guy that attracts the masses, but he's far from being actual WRC material.
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Block for me was a great stunt racer, but with absolutely no clue how to actually rally.
 
-Fred-
He's a crazy guy that attracts the masses, but he's far from being actual WRC material.
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Exactly! Except, he's in WRC. This all started with me saying that I would be watching WRC to see how he fares.


I don't really care or believe that he'll be WRC1 material, but he's still a Canadian in WRC. Whether it's WRC1 or WRC3 doesn't bother me.


He is just a crazy guy I want to see rallying. Furinkazen is the one who implied that he wasn't WRC material. I simply implied that he's in WRC.


I mean seriously, stop reading more into what I post than what I actually say. :)
 
-Fred-
North America is not a market for rallying, it never really has been.
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There's a domestic scene that is fairly strong given its size and its exposure, but it is still a niche and its appeal is limited. It's actually pretty good for international drivers on a tight budget - Brandon Reeves won the title last year.

Having seen this Leo guy in action, I am fairly confident that he is not WRC material. Not without a major shift in his approach. He lacks discipline, and is short-sighted; he throws the car into the corners as they come without any thought as to how his exit might affect his entry to the next corner. So while it looks spectacular, it's also slow.
 
ITCC_Andrew
Exactly! Except, he's in WRC. This all started with me saying that I would be watching WRC to see how he fares.


I don't really care or believe that he'll be WRC1 material, but he's still a Canadian in WRC. Whether it's WRC1 or WRC3 doesn't bother me.


He is just a crazy guy I want to see rallying. Furinkazen is the one who implied that he wasn't WRC material. I simply implied that he's in WRC.


I mean seriously, stop reading more into what I post than what I actually say. :)
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prisonermonkeys
There's a domestic scene that is fairly strong given its size and its exposure, but it is still a niche and its appeal is limited. It's actually pretty good for international drivers on a tight budget - Brandon Reeves won the title last year.

Having seen this Leo guy in action, I am fairly confident that he is not WRC material. Not without a major shift in his approach. He lacks discipline, and is short-sighted; he throws the car into the corners as they come without any thought as to how his exit might affect his entry to the next corner. So while it looks spectacular, it's also slow.
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One reason Sebastian Loeb was so devastating... he was controlled and precise. Agreed with PM on final part as well.
 
And M-Sport aren't known for their discriminating tastes - if you can get the budget together, you can have a drive. In all probability, someone has most likely seen this guy drive, not understood what rallying is about, and agreed to fund him.
 
prisonermonkeys
And M-Sport aren't known for their discriminating tastes - if you can get the budget together, you can have a drive. In all probability, someone has most likely seen this guy drive, not understood what rallying is about, and agreed to fund him.
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Before M Sport,.only time Novikov would be shown was via the onboard or spectator footage of having him crashing.
 
He got a little bit of coverage when he was driving a Citroen. He was pretty impressive to start with, but I think he just tried to live up to the early hype.
 
prisonermonkeys
There's a domestic scene that is fairly strong given its size and its exposure, but it is still a niche and its appeal is limited. It's actually pretty good for international drivers on a tight budget - Brandon Reeves won the title last year.

Having seen this Leo guy in action, I am fairly confident that he is not WRC material. Not without a major shift in his approach. He lacks discipline, and is short-sighted; he throws the car into the corners as they come without any thought as to how his exit might affect his entry to the next corner. So while it looks spectacular, it's also slow.
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To be fair, there are usually only 4 or 5 Open Class cars at any Canadian Rally, when the Americans don't come up here to play, most of the other cars are either "production class" (read: Group N) or 2wd. So, basically, keep it on the road and you've got a fair shot at a podium in that class. Consistency brings results, and that's why guys like L'Estage and Richard have had their fair share of success in the past years. That, and the fact their main competitor was too busy leaving neon orange Subaru bits in Canadian forests.
 
prisonermonkeys
He got a little bit of coverage when he was driving a Citroen. He was pretty impressive to start with, but I think he just tried to live up to the early hype.
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Yes, he was impressive alright and you are right about him trying to live up to that early hype, but he also managed to show that he was capable of developing and maturing as a rally driver. That was probably the reason he managed to get the finance necessary - If I remember correctly it takes a bit over 2 million $ per season to cover the cost of participation in WRC. I remember reading this when Ott Tänak explained his missing the 2013 season. Of course I maybe a little mistaken in these numbers. WRC2 is much cheaper - that's why he is doing a bit of mixed season in 2014.

But hey-hey, here goes Novikov - impressive indeed ( although he did crash in the next km). Ahh kids, they grow up sooo quick

 
Looking at the actual entry list for the WRC-3 series-within-a-series (a response to Citroen taking over the JWRC), one name stands out: Max Vatanen, the son of 1981 World Champion Ari Vatanen.
 
prisonermonkeys
Looking at the actual entry list for the WRC-3 series-within-a-series (a response to Citroen taking over the JWRC), one name stands out: Max Vatanen, the son of 1981 World Champion Ari Vatanen.
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Too bad he doesn't have the talent of his father :indiff:.
 
My point (regardless of Leo's actual performance) remains that I'm glad to see him in WRC at all. Given an FF car, I think his driving will be more tame and natural, which is exactly what he needs to keep it on the road.

But, I think he'll still be fascinating to watch, even in a Fiesta with super (not skidding, etc.) control.
 
prisonermonkeys
Looking at the actual entry list for the WRC-3 series-within-a-series (a response to Citroen taking over the JWRC), one name stands out: Max Vatanen, the son of 1981 World Champion Ari Vatanen.
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This is how the Finns get good at rally. If you are interested check out also a kid called Kalle Rovanpera, son of a certain WRC ace.
 
There are plenty of reasons - for one, it was just too expensive. Secondly, I grew up in the city, and the local car clubs only ever sat around and talked about how much they were going to compete. And lastly, as much as I enjoy spectating, I have never really liked competing. Admittedly, my experience is limited to a few outings in karts, but I always found the other competitors to be way too intense. I couldn't relate to them socially - they were only ever interested in how to improve their lap times, and while I appreciate that that is an important part of competition, that was *all* they were interested in, and they shut you out as soon as you showed an interest in anything else. I'm all for a good race, and I could keep up with them, but it just felt like a chore. It stopped being fun.
 
prisonermonkeys
There are plenty of reasons - for one, it was just too expensive. Secondly, I grew up in the city, and the local car clubs only ever sat around and talked about how much they were going to compete. And lastly, as much as I enjoy spectating, I have never really liked competing. Admittedly, my experience is limited to a few outings in karts, but I always found the other competitors to be way too intense. I couldn't relate to them socially - they were only ever interested in how to improve their lap times, and while I appreciate that that is an important part of competition, that was *all* they were interested in, and they shut you out as soon as you showed an interest in anything else. I'm all for a good race, and I could keep up with them, but it just felt like a chore. It stopped being fun.
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Ah fair enough. I haven't done much karting or competitive driving but I can certainly relate to having the fun taken away from what should be fun activities. (Climbing for one.)
 
prisonermonkeys
Yes, I know how the Finns do it. I come from a rallying family. I grew up knowing those names.
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... which reminds me - as a kid I was certain Hannu Mikkola and Michelle Mouton would be getting married. Just didn't see two ways about it.
 
Oleksiy Tamrazov (wealthy rally driver and I believe owner of AT-Rally) posted these pictures on Facebook.

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Whilst almost certainly something which won't happen who doesn't like a good photoshop.
 
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