WTF! GT4 is NOT online

[Ruf CTR]

Please tell me what gives you a "trained eye" to see what you consider as tromps des oeuix, but makes someone who doesn't see it - and instead prefers to play the damn game - a "casual gamer".

I was talking about the difference between pre-rendered textures and real-time shadows, and that you must look very closely (not what an casual gamer would do, and a addicted gamer (or graphics whore) would) to see the difference between the 2...

 

[Ruf CTR]

Oh! GT4 is going to suck because it doesn't have real time shadows?

I shouldn't even respond to this, but have i said that??? No, the only thing i said is taht Forza has more detailed graphics, nothing more nothing less...

 

[Famine]

Inane, brain-dead whining? Powerfull words from a fanboy who is personally insulted when someone does not like something about GT.

Fanboy? Bwaaaaaaaa-hahahaha!

What you mean is "I don't agree with you, therefore you are wrong."

There are many aspects of all 5 GT games I have in my possession which I do not like. I won't react as though everyone involved in making the games has just crept into my house and defecated on my pillow.

Now I have a question for you. Do you actually know what you are missing? Have you competed online? Truly online on xbox live or PC? I doubt it.

Way to draw conclusions, Captain Genius.

You are, again, completely wrong and just seeking for a hole to attack another target for you. Guess what? You missed again.

I have played games online. In fact, I've even played racing games online.

Online play is not just a small bonus, its everything.

No, it isn't. It's another recreational way to participate in computer games. Get that? It doesn't actually matter in the grand scheme of things whether or not you can play any given game on the internet.

For the hard of thinking, it's a game. A game, it is. Game, it is a.

I enjoyed my online racing time - mainly with the GTR mod of F1 2002. It was fun. No more, no less. I had no hard time going back to GT3. The online aspect wasn't "everything" at all.

The iLink I particpated in was good fun too - and I will be doing it again next month. It's not like it was the single best thing I've ever done and again, I had no trouble playing GT3 again afterwards.

Playing GT offline is NOT racing not matter what you call posting times on forums. Actually being able to directly compare your driving, being able to apply pressure and crack your opponent... This can not be reproduced offline and once you have tasted it you realise that playing offline really is pointless.

Playing ANYTHING is pointless. Don't you get it?

It is merely recreation. It is fun.

Acting like Sony/PD/Kazunori Yamauchi are virtually guilty of war crimes for deciding that the online aspect of GT4 wasn't good enough for release now is probably the dumbest thing ever - and the fact this topic has got so far mainly on people saying "omg wtf!" and accusing the programmers of being "lazy" is testament to that.

Sure I will still get GT, I will simply be a casual player dusting it off every now and then to take a test drive. But the game that will encapture me will hopefully be Forza.

I'm happy for you. You tell us this why?

Surely you'd be better off not buying it, since "playing offline really is pointless.", or are you particularly into doing pointless things?


But you still seem to have missed the overall point. It isn't that GT is better than anything/everything else, or whether an online mode or lack thereof would make GT4 better/worse, but that demonising - or for that matter lauding - an organisation whose sole aim is to make money, or employees whose sole purpose is to increase profitability, for not including a feature you wanted in a computer game is laughable to the point of pity.

It doesn't matter whose "fault" anything is. Get over it.

 

[ALPHA]

LOL perfectionist? Thats like the esccuse for fools, his team sucks at NetCode, and on making AI


If he was a perfectionist he would not have the AI in it....and it is NOT a simulation game, its a semi one...if it was a simulation and a good proper racing professional AIdo you think many people would be able to win races at all?

Dude, calm down. Infact PD and its netcode does not suck. I'm beginning to think you do though.

Do you actually know why there is no Online Mode in GT4 and that you only have to wait until next year until the online version of GT4 is released? No didn't think so. I suggest you download this, KY says that Sony's online infrastructure is not good enough yet to support GT4 and that the Online mode in fact is finished. It has nothing to do with PD, it isn't their fault, it is Sony for not managing and sustaining its server network.

Don't say we didn't tell you so. Ok?

 

[PjotrStroganov]

Famine, I salute you. The way you are able to dissagree with every argument that is against you is awesome.

 

[Lamboracer]

Instead of read through 17 pages let me say that im am kinda glad that gt4 is not online. Because chances are that i wont go on because i dont have a second comp hooked up yet and its just not time. But it would have been fun. And if this sint true then its good aswell .

 

[avenger]

Oh come on, pleeease! Will you people stop whining and *****ing at each other?
Man, it's only a game. Some of you are talking like you're going to slit your wrists because of no online play.

First of all, nobody here - and I mean NOBODY, has any right to take shots at PD like has been done unless you think you can do it better. If you do, I'd like to see you prove it.

Second of all, apart from a few nameless people (and it's always the same few), I hear very little complaint about the GT series, except for a few minor things.

To those few - pull your heads in! I'm sick of seeing your names next to mindless drivel time after time.

Put simply: no online with this release. Dry your eyes, pick up your lip, build a bridge and GET OVER IT!

I have never seen a bunch of (supposedly) mature adults and adolescents degrade into talking utter BS.

This thread is actually pointless. It has no contribution to the game. It's just a ***** session gone wild. Can a mod close this or something, please?

 

[SaintKamus]

Oh come on, pleeease! Will you people stop whining and *****ing at each other?
Man, it's only a game. Some of you are talking like you're going to slit your wrists because of no online play.

First of all, nobody here - and I mean NOBODY, has any right to take shots at PD like has been done unless you think you can do it better. If you do, I'd like to see you prove it.

Second of all, apart from a few nameless people (and it's always the same few), I hear very little complaint about the GT series, except for a few minor things.

To those few - pull your heads in! I'm sick of seeing your names next to mindless drivel time after time.

Put simply: no online with this release. Dry your eyes, pick up your lip, build a bridge and GET OVER IT!

I have never seen a bunch of (supposedly) mature adults and adolescents degrade into talking utter BS.

This thread is actually pointless. It has no contribution to the game. It's just a ***** session gone wild. Can a mod close this or something, please?

Oh please, it's not like the game is free. so put a sock in it.

 

[SaintKamus]

I shouldn't even respond to this, but have i said that??? No, the only thing i said is taht Forza has more detailed graphics, nothing more nothing less...

It does.. but even then, GT4 still looks better, the lighting seems to be far superior than the one in forza (even if it's fake). no shadows on either game, so no point talking about (hell, we might not even see those in GT5, but i hope i'm wrong).
The shaders look VERY realistic in GT4 (quite an improvement from GT4 prologue actually). in Forza they look exagerated, the streets look waaay too shiny.
the cars look better in GT4 from a distance because of the lighting, but up close they are far more detailed in forza (i think evry car has a full dashboard, seats and steering wheel).
The forza guys have done a good job, but the main reason they have more room for detail is not their programming talent, but the extra power the xbox bring, PD on the other hand, really has the PS2 to it's limits, it looks VERY photorealistic, and it's just a ps2 game!

 

[kinigitt]

people misinterpret me, I have never said they are lazy, they just play it safe too often.

"Don't critisize PD unless you think you can do better". Wow. We shouldnt critisize anything unless we are the best at what it is, did I get it right? Movie critics must be amazing directors then?

Alright, then I'll compare it to the competitions games, which used to be miles behind but are now steadily closing in on PD, and are even surpassing it in many respects. These developers are trying new(ish) things like damage, A.I. that is limited by the game's physics engine, thicker grids for races, in car camera views, blah blah.

PD are exceptionally talented, but I THINK (it's in caps because it is simply an opinion of mine, for all of those waiting to pounce on my post) they should be moving on up. It is a full blown sequel that took 3 years to develop, after all. I must be crazy to expect something new (besides photomode) after waiting so long.

I am sorry; I'm a critic. I've played a lot of Gran Turismo and I want it to stay fresh for years to come. If they just expand it like they have shown, then I will just be doing time trials again. Over and over. Which, I'm sad to say, is dissapointing.

 

[kinigitt]

When it comes to GT4, they WERE working on online play. But GT4 can still be a success even without online play. Besides, all that glitz and glam that you all been wanting in a GT series game takes more work than getting cars and tracks put together. PD is like its own family. They are a team. They are making a racing game that has never looked better since GT3 (would have been "Gran Turismo 2000"). They are so dedicated in getting GT4 done right. They live by their own principles, and if they aren't satisfied, they'll MAKE it hot. So what would be an analysis of this? Think about when GTPlanet was being upgraded, then when the main server went down for days. Jordan worked his ass off to make sure GTPlanet remains. Did he complain? No, he didn't. Is Kazunori complaining that he can't get the game done? No way in hell. So how can you tell me and others that PD is lazy all because they can't meet the standards of one such person? We are only suggesting. PD knows what it is capable of doing and know they'd like to work with regardless of what someone thinks. Like on G4TechTV show "X-Play" one time. Adam Sessler liked RallySport Challenge 2, giving it a "4 out of 5" rating. After the review, he liked having the car smashed up, and said that maybe Gran Turismo should follow suit. And if we're unworthy peasants, remember. KY and PD didn't make Gran Turismo what it is today. Ohh no. WE made Gran Turismo what it is. But yeah, you're right. Don't want GT4? Don't get it. Don't like GT4 because "something's missing?" Don't get it. PD worked too damn hard for all of this and I feel as a GT fan that I don't seem to belong if people hate GT4 all of a sudden because of wheels, maybe some AI, or a tiny little thing like online play. And PD is working on it. So you have a choice. GT4 online (LAN only), or GT4 (worldwide gameplay). Your choice. Well, I'll say it like this. If you love GT4 but want online play, you're more ungrateful than unworthy. Am I right? You can't have anything you want. Like when you marry soemone or date someone, if you love that other person intimately, you love her/him for who she/he is, and what she/he isn't. A person that can love something even if it isn't what a certain person exactly wants is a person who understands this situation perfectly and isn't whining like a baby who can't play around at a play ground. Love something for what it is and what it isn't. And in this sense, if you don't want to get GT4 with LAN online play, then that's fine. But you'll still be missing out. Oh yeah... Final Fantasy XI. The game was on PC with PS2 versions to follow. People had a choice. Get FFXI for PC, or wait for it on PS2. But at least online issues didn't mean the difference between success and failure.

Alright John, here's what you need to do: pull your head out of your ass.

It was my opinion. Leave it be. And get the **** off your high horse. You aren't god around these parts, no matter how many convoluted essays you can write.

I am being rude because of your rudeness. I shouldn't be so harsh, but everytime somebody voices an opinion that isn't in compliance with yours, you throw a hissy fit in the form of a novel-length post filled with nothing but fluff. I don't want to start a war here, so let's just respect each other and try to get along instead of making veiled attacks whenever we disagree.

 

[GTXLR]

I stopped reading johns posts a while ago.
They are always miles to long without proper paragraphing and do my eyes in.

 

[Cosmic]

I stopped reading johns posts a while ago.
They are always miles to long without proper paragraphing and do my eyes in.

But atleast he isn't complaining

 

[kinigitt]

But atleast he isn't complaining

Actually, he is. He's complaining about other people's criticism.

 

[Cosmic]

Actually, he is. He's complaining about other people's criticism.

Beacuse they are too negative about the online play

 

[GTXLR]

I read everybodys post usually if they are critical or not I dont care, I actually like to know other peoples feelings on issues.
Johns post tend to be far to long winded and contirved before making the point and the lack of appropriate spacing makes them a difficult long read thats all.
We have a right to criticse and complain.

wonder how many reviewers will rate GT4 over 85%?

 

[Cosmic]

wonder how many reviewers will rate GT4 over 85%?

Even more then you could think about.

 

[kinigitt]

I read everybodys post usually if they are critical or not I dont care, I actually like to know other peoples feelings on issues.
Johns post tend to be far to long winded and contirved before making the point and the lack of appropriate spacing makes them a difficult long read thats all.
We have a right to criticse and complain.

wonder how many reviewers will rate GT4 over 85%?

Good, I thought I was the only one that thought so (about the right to criticise).

Almost every one of them probably.

 

[code_kev]

Alright John, here's what you need to do: pull your head out of your ass.

*round of applause*


I love these people who try and pretend online mode doesn't matter, so funny.
"oh but it has so many other modes", well great, I've allways wanted photomode over decent online racing.

Below is my John post guide, I hope you enjoy it.


step 1. Greet followers in smug fashion, comment on "rank" at GTp if needed...
step 2. Make a crap point on the topic at hand, in no less then 500 words (extra points for trying to make it sound beautiful, but in a crude fashion, think suns bouncing off bonnets etc).
step 3. Add 700 words of fluff, comment on local netball scores, congratualte a local hero, just talk general crap, assing GT planet is good too.
step 4. Ass kiss someone/ something, add anti xbox/ forza stuff if needed.
step 5. Smug farewell, possible ass kiss any members who agree with him.

Any follow up posts must be ego-heavy, if anyone agrees you must add them to your "followers" list, and thank then for their loyalty.

 

[kinigitt]

*round of applause*


I love these people who try and pretend online mode doesn't matter, so funny.
"oh but it has so many other modes", well great, I've allways wanted photomode over decent online racing.

Below is my John post guide, I hope you enjoy it.


step 1. Greet followers in smug fashion, comment on "rank" at GTp if needed...
step 2. Make a crap point on the topic at hand, in no less then 500 words (extra points for trying to make it sound beautiful, but in a crude fashion, think suns bouncing off bonnets etc).
step 3. Add 700 words of fluff, comment on local netball scores, congratualte a local hero, just talk general crap, assing GT planet is good too.
step 4. Ass kiss someone/ something, add anti xbox/ forza stuff if needed.
step 5. Smug farewell, possible ass kiss any members who agree with him.

Any follow up posts must be ego-heavy, if anyone agrees you must add them to your "followers" list, and thank then for their loyalty.

I said I didnt want a war. Let's just drop this please.

 

[code_kev]

I couldn't help my self.

 

[Thread]

Although it was clear from the start that I was never going to go well, I fear that, now I'm filled with bilious personal attacks from a few mindless malcontents, I have outlived my usefulness and shown to the outside world just why computer games will never be taken as seriously as the film industry, despite outgrossing it.

Please lock me, burn me to the ground and salt the Earth.

Thank you,

Thread.

 

[kinigitt]

Although it was clear from the start that I was never going to go well, I fear that, now I'm filled with bilious personal attacks from a few mindless malcontents, I have outlived my usefulness and shown to the outside world just why computer games will never be taken as seriously as the film industry, despite outgrossing it.

Please lock me, burn me to the ground and salt the Earth.

Thank you,

Thread.

salt it yourself.

 

[The359]

If you want to talk about Forza, go to the XBox Forum. If you think Forza is god's gift from heaven, fine, go buy your crap, but go talk about it in the proper forum.

And Forza does not have as many manufacturers as GT4, so the manufacturers reasoning for not allowing damage is still completely legitimite, and I'd rather have more cars then some damage.

 

[sUn]

Read this today in my newspaper, December 14th is the new release date and there's no online play.

 

[code_kev]

The359...

shut it you tart!

 

[The359]

Are you being sarcastic or stupid?

 

[kinigitt]

If you want to talk about Forza, go to the XBox Forum. If you think Forza is god's gift from heaven, fine, go buy your crap, but go talk about it in the proper forum.

And Forza does not have as many manufacturers as GT4, so the manufacturers reasoning for not allowing damage is still completely legitimite, and I'd rather have more cars then some damage.

when did I mention Forza? Not once. Forza could be the cure for cancer, but I didnt bring it up, so ease off.

Then it all comes down to what you prefer,since having more cars that don't behave as they should isn't my cup of tea. I haven't had the chance to wring out all of the cars in GT3, in different states of tuning. I've had the game since it came out. Why, you may ask? Because I no longer felt compelled to drive all of the cars that did not interest me, and there are a lot of those.

There are about 50 cars that I truly enjoyed in GT3. The ones that I go back to when I want to race friends or just do some quick laps. The rest were driven a couple times, tested out with different parts and setups, then left in the dust. It's a monumental waste.

PS: I would love to see some kind of written statements from manufacturers saying they don't want their cars damaged in games. It always comes up but nobody ever has a good example. Please produce some kind of evidence to shut me up.

 

[code_kev]

the359, well I was gonna do a massive thread, about how your talking crap and stuff, but I decided just to tell you to shut it. Seemed easier.

 

[mashoutposse]

Look, if you're truly looking forward to GT4 and not just in here bashing for the sake of it, why do you keep ignoring the fact that 1) there will be a future online update, and 2) GT4 LAN mode should be compatible with existing XBConnect-style services?

Instead of whining like, frankly, a *****, why don't you just take a look at the solutions staring you right in the face?