Your opinion on Racing Softs?

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the people who are using racing soft tires are the same ones, who drives the x2010 all the time just to win as fast as possible...
 
You need to chill out! My post was not an attack on you or anyone in for that matter. I agree that tire choice is personal but my point is to make a comparison you need to have something to compare the game with ie real life, and i don't think that many people on here including myself can make statements like "this tire is unrealistic" when they have never driven a car on racing soft tires. Like you said it's just my opinion. You need to relax mate!
 
The X2010 & X2011 aren't "realistic" why don't all the :grumpy: people in this thread go and complain about them?
 
I used to put RS on everything, I used to tune everything to the max or a certain PP value the second I got it and used to think stock SH tyres were way to slippy on supercars but with time I now think SH tyres are perfect or if anything slighty too grippy.

I have much more fun with stock cars and tyres and cannot drive with RS no more as it feels boring and like an arcade game!

RS for F1 cars only probably, don't even mention that Redbull crap!

Even SS are unrealistic I think because Rally cars come with SM and surely they use the grippiest road tyres available so SM is tops for road cars for me!
 
I only use Racing Softs when I want to topple a Fiat Panda or a Mini Cooper 1.3 over :dunce: . And even so I don't do it often.
 
Have you ever USED them in an endurance race? They run out of wear in the space of a lap, less than that if it's even a large track. And besides, you can put the limit to Racing Mediums if you really want to.
 
Have you ever USED them in an endurance race? They run out of wear in the space of a lap, less than that if it's even a large track. And besides, you can put the limit to Racing Mediums if you really want to.

If there ever was to be a Racing Soft only endurance race on Nurburgring 24hr track for 24 hours, then there would be more pitstops performed then there would be laps completed. Especially if the drivers put a lot of strain on the tyres.

I used to put RS on everything, I used to tune everything to the max or a certain PP value the second I got it and used to think stock SH tyres were way to slippy on supercars but with time I now think SH tyres are perfect or if anything slighty too grippy.

I have much more fun with stock cars and tyres and cannot drive with RS no more as it feels boring and like an arcade game!

RS for F1 cars only probably, don't even mention that Redbull crap! <- Replying to this

Even SS are unrealistic I think because Rally cars come with SM and surely they use the grippiest road tyres available so SM is tops for road cars for me!

For F1 cars I always use Racing Hard. And in my opinion, the Redbull X2010 / X2011 generates so much downforce, it doesn't matter which tyres you use. I tried the X2010 on Comfort Hard tyres just for fun and didn't feel any different to its normal Racing Hard tyres.
 
Racing tyres are great, on race cars otherwise they are just another driving aid.

Online I find most people use racing soft so that's only time I do too, I would set up sports tyres only room but my poor internet connection won't allow it. :grumpy:
 
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Racing tyres are great, on race cars otherwise they are just another driving aid.

Online I find most people use racing soft so that's only time I do too, I would set up sports tyres only room but my poor internet connection won't allow it. :grumpy:

You can look for road car events on :gtplanet: if you are a Sports Hard / Comfort Soft racer like me :) .
 
i tried to open lobbies with sport hards tires only, but nobody wanna join my lobby :(


We should make a group for fair online racers who loves driving on comfort and sport tires.
 
Your opinion on Racing Softs?

My opinion is that this isn't a tyre. It's more like rails.

I used to do like phil75 said, put it on every car I had, but just like Phil said, it got boring. I even removed every road car with tyre upgrade from my garage to re buy them and never upgraded the tyres. Then the fun got back into the game.
I have racing soft on my SuperGT 500 car as the online championship I'm in allow them for one stint. I think it's boring to race on, but I also want to stay competitive.

I don't really drive that much anymore in this game so I have no experience in the F1 cars, but for SuperGT500 cars, even racing medium have to much grip. Racing Hard is certainly the most balanced tyre for that car.
 
I've used up to Racing Mediums, but Softs are just too grippy for anything short of the X1.



Check this out: (Done on Comfort Soft tires)



Wow, after watching this I tried a Formula Gran Turismo with comfort soft and amazed by the grip! better than a Ferrari 458 with Racing soft I think!
 
My opinion of racing soft tires?

Same as always...they are an option and people will use them.

I race in lobbies with tire wear and usually long races, so if someone wants to pit more often than me...so be it. Different strategies can make the races more interesting.

On the other hand, I think it's sacrilege to put sport hard tires on a race car, but I see this all the time on Daytona Speedway. But, this is the way the game works and you do what you need to in order to be competitive.
 
Wow, after watching this I tried a Formula Gran Turismo with comfort soft and amazed by the grip! better than a Ferrari 458 with Racing soft I think!

Then again that makes sense, especially in the wet. Normal road tyres have deep threads in them to reduce the aquaplaning effect on the tyres while driving. A lower aquaplaning effect means better grip under wet conditions. And because racing tyres have no threads on them (at least in GT5) then the aquaplaning effect can start from as low as 40 km/h or so.
 
It's a game; do as you will.

I used to use race tyres in GTs 1-4 if I could affford them, but saw light when the seasonals came along in GT5. Driving is much more involving with lower grip and you learn so much more about car control and driving lines. I just find it a much more rewarding experience now.

I do think if someone who sticks RS on everything regardless actually tried some 500pp ish RWD cars on SH and gave it a chance - stuck with it for a bit - they might find they had more fun and involvement. S2000s, TVR Tuscan/Tamora, M3s - are all great or try a tuned KPGC10 'Hakosaka' GTR or Toyato 2000GT on CS. And definitely try your 60s race cars on SH (start with SS if you are used to the glue-like RS).

Having said that - I'm not averse to putting fully a loaded Honda Z, or Midget on RS to compete against Skylines, M3s and such like. Realistic? Nope. Who cares - it's another facet of GT that makes for a bit of fun.
 
RS tyres ruin all the fun for me. I usually use CS on most cars and SH on the fast supercars.
When playing online, SS is the maximum tyre restriction I search for because else it would be too hard to find any races.
 
most people will still not choose tire restrictions, therefore online play will still be ruined.

On a second thought, the game would be much better if you weren't able to buy and use different tires (besides snow and dirt ofc).

But banning race tyres to be used isn't going to solve that, it probably just means a lot of people aren't gonna play GT5 anymore (which would have the same result basically as filtering online options since only a minority is left) or a lot of people entering rooms aimed for 'pro's' without the expected level of skill.

Just because you prefer to drive roadcars with road tyres, doesn't mean everyone should or is even able to do so (maybe some eventually will but GT-games have a steep learning curve).
And that second thought isn't very consistent with the rest of your reasoning, if it was it would mean dirt tyres being only available for rallycars for example.

Another thing, if you apply full weight saving stages, chassis reinforcement and add all performance parts available to a roadcar in GT5, it already isn't a 'real' roadcar anymore since I doubt most tuning firms in real life can reduce the amount of weight of a roadcar to that level without stripping most of the interior so most fully tuned roadcars in GT5 are basically racecars appearing like roadcars.
Or do you want to stop being able to tune a car too?
 
Most lobbys run rs tyres therefore you have to run them to be competitive, unless its a race over say 10 laps I will then use rh tyres. At the end of the day were racing cars on tracks and in real life they use race tyres so what's wrong with doing so in gt5? It's the daft driver aids that dum the game down not racing tyres.
 
Comforts and sports hard all the way for me, no matter what power the roadcar has.
If i can't keep it between the ditches it's my own fault for being a noob.

No to godmode tyres!
 
Personally, the only time I use Racing Softs on my street cars is when I'm racing online. Otherwise, I'm Comfort Soft on cars under 225hp and Sports Soft on anything over that. Only my race cars run slicks, and those are Mediums. I can never find a room with anything other than RS's because everyone in their mother are so dependant on them When you change the tire type, there's either bitching or moaning to switch back to RS or a complete wreckfest because everyone is spinning out. Same thing even with Racing Hard, lmfao. Everyone has become so dependent on them that they've forgotten how to drive. I hate them because like you guys have said, it's like driving on rails. It's not any fun to me because there's no challenge. The reason I love driving is simply because of the grace and precision needed to drive a car at the limit. On Sports tires, there's much less room for error and you really have to be smooth at the wheel in order to keep from pushing the tires past their breaking point. There's much more of a skill element involved with these compared to Racing slicks. Anyone in their mother can drive on those, but how many people can drive a 700 horse Viper on Sports? Whereas many whine about the wheelspin, there is no better feeling in the world hitting the perfect turn in, coming through the apex and squeezing back onto the power with my 99 GTS . You know you're on the edge when rear end looks like it's gonna scrape the wall but it doesent. That my friends is the thrill of driving. No aids, no ABS (just force myself to make minute brake modulations) I want the car to force me to be precise with my inputs and punish me for overdriving instead of having it glued to the track no matter how forceful or jerky I am. It's not even the high powered stuff either; in fact, one of my favorite cars to drive is a bone stock Focus ST170 on Comfort softs at Grand Valley East. Try it, it's a blast :D
 
I don't really care about tyre variations as long as long as there doesn't seem to be a difference in durability between hard and soft tyres. I just use whatever the cars come with from the dealerships. That way I know that I have the grip that I'm supposed to have and I adapt to it.
 
My .02....

I've got to qualify my answer here I'm not on line and my game is original - never been updated, and yes I need to fix that!

But if everyone is using the same tires then its still a race, if you're smooth and on the gas/brakes and in/out of the corners correctly then you'll be the one to win.

In real life 20 years ago I raced my '66 Mustang in SCCA races - Goodyear relieced a tire called the Eagle GT and quite frankly it changed the world. as the 80's went on goodyear eventually upgraded the tire to the "Gatorback" version of the eagle and that tire dominated until Hoosier came along and gave us a DOT approved racing tire with some squiggles in it to simulate tread. As this was happening I graduated collage and reality set in and I had to put the Mustang away (where it still sits today :( ) and make a living, the point is as a buddy told me that when he finnally got himself a set of the Hoosier tires was that "you could not drive the car fast enough" his times dropped presipitusly. He called it an unfair advantage if you're the only one on them - but if you're raceing against them to be competitive they were a must.

The idea here is as a driver I want the stickiest tread I can get period, I want the tire to be predictable - so when I push past its limits I still have options to save the car, the thing I've found with the lower grade tires is that lack of predictability - once gone there is no recovering, and they give way with little or no warning. In real life the tire lets you know - literally you can feel it - in the game thats a hard thing to simulate. I find that the RS's give you that predictability and in most cases you can recover - that is as long as you are not driving the GT350R and that's a rant for another thread!!!!

Cya,
Hankster
 
I use Sports Soft on all my modified road cars.

Right up until the point where I'm involved in a race; in that circumstance I usually always change to Racing Soft. I need as much advantage in grip as I can get because it is a race after all.
 
When ever I drive a 1000bhp rwd car if I don't use racing soft tires it will just sit there spinning it's wheels not moving but I agree why would you use racing soft on underpowered cars
 
Today I done some extensive testing for an event with tyres

Over 25 laps I was quicker 15 laps medium 10 hard
Than using multiple soft strategies
 
I don't agree with banning them, but they also take away from the driving experience I feel. It is so much more fun on SH, my tire of choice for just about everything.
 
I've been using them since day one but am very adaptable.

If it's allowed in the game then it's ok by me. Until PD make changes to stop roadcars being allowed to use them, then there's no real problem. It's up to the individual to choose according to their preferrence of race challenge.

If I wanted to take my road car on a track day and use slicks, I would do. Unless the track owners said I couldn't.

I hate to be off topic but this thought needs to be expanded to other aspects of the game, namely, driving aids.
 
Pirelli has a "super soft" compound slick tyre which is sometimes used in Formula 1 races (not just qualifying), depending on the circuit. So why are people saying the RS tyres are "unrealistic" :confused:

look at the speed they take corners. Check R1600Turbo's video for example, in which he used Comfort Softs. Not sports softs, not racing hards, Comfort softs.
I know it's been said lots of times, but the tires that were made having proper simulation in mind are comfort softs (or meds can't remember).

In the end people who defend RS tires to death are the ones that prefer the arcade style physics those provide for every car instead of trying the game the way it should be played. I understand that's a personal choice to make, but add RS, ABS (with its hidden stability assist) and people using a DS3 (more assists) and it ends up in 99.9% of players not playing the game.

Racing tires as a whole literally killed GT5's simulation. GT6 should simply be like proper sims and have simply one tire for each car, 2 or 3 at most and even then those are on the same "category" (so if it comes with sports hards then you can buy up to sports softs and not more). It's either that or drop the driving simulator catch phrase.


But banning race tyres to be used isn't going to solve that, it probably just means a lot of people aren't gonna play GT5 anymore (which would have the same result basically as filtering online options since only a minority is left) or a lot of people entering rooms aimed for 'pro's' without the expected level of skill.

Just because you prefer to drive roadcars with road tyres, doesn't mean everyone should or is even able to do so (maybe some eventually will but GT-games have a steep learning curve).
And that second thought isn't very consistent with the rest of your reasoning, if it was it would mean dirt tyres being only available for rallycars for example.

Another thing, if you apply full weight saving stages, chassis reinforcement and add all performance parts available to a roadcar in GT5, it already isn't a 'real' roadcar anymore since I doubt most tuning firms in real life can reduce the amount of weight of a roadcar to that level without stripping most of the interior so most fully tuned roadcars in GT5 are basically racecars appearing like roadcars.
Or do you want to stop being able to tune a car too?

I wrote that those changes should be made for GT6, not GT5. A 1 and a half years old game simply shouldn't receive substantial modifications.

It's true you can do all that tuning, but that's true for real life as well. Thing is as far as I know no one fits $36,000 tires to a $5,000 car, for several reasons.


In the end there are 3 different topics to discuss: Removing RS tires, which tire types are allowed for each car (to stop having 350pp cars fitted with racing tires), and if driving aids should be allowed in every car or not, as someone suggested.

About the last one, and this will be the last edit to this post lol, I think they shouldn't. It's unrealistic to drive a 60s car with ABS, traction control and what not, to the point those assists kill the whole purpose of driving one of them: the feel of not having total control over the car, lack of traction, etc.
 
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The X2010 & X2011 aren't "realistic" why don't all the :grumpy: people in this thread go and complain about them?
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Exactly, how can people seriously debate the realism of a set of super-sticky tyres when there's many more less realistic aspects within the game. Another example would be traction control, ABS and stability management systems, all of which are completely different between vehicle marques and each have their own characteristics - none of which are accounted for in GT. (Not forgetting the fictitious SRF system, which I've taken to calling the "Magic Paddle")

Back on tyres, RS tyres only give you unrealistic levels of grip if you're comparing them to your regular, real-life long-lifespan, road tyres. A decent set of soft compound racing slicks are only designed to last for a few decent laps of a circuit at maximum attack, and this seems to be the same with racing softs in GT5.

I've never had any issues with using all the best toys I can slap onto my cars in this game, and that includes the tyres, especially when I have an unrealistic amount of money in my bank account!
 
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