Your predictions for the driver line-up, 2010

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  1. mipuumal

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    Pat & Flav were there when they designed this year's horrible car, how would their presence guarantee any improvement?
     
  2. Prince.M5

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    Really?? But they are the key to the team. Especially Flav. He's very experience in F1 so he's good in strategy etc. But not what happened like last year in Singapore.

    I didn't said that I can gurantee their comeback would turnaroud the team but at least, give the team some ideas on how the car should be and some very good strategies... The designer of the R26 was Bob Bell.

    ^ Errr...
     
  3. Ardius

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    From what I saw of the radio transcripts, Flav has no input at all on strategies or in fact anything on the pit wall beyond some very amusing comments on other drivers.

    Pat will be missed but I'm not really sure what Flav brought to the team beyond his expertise in management and business. Flav hardly made cars brilliant did he, otherwise he wouldn't have hired Ross Brawn and Tom Walkinshaw to help make Benetton what it was in the mid-90s.
    Also, I don't know if you've noticed but the Renault strategies this year for Alonso were terrible.

    Bob Bell has seemingly done a decent job so far, why not just promote witihn the organisation or poach some Toyota staff?
    In fact, if the Kobayashi + Panasonic rumours are true, it might be handy to hire some Japanese/German staff.

    Just as long as they don't get Prost, unless they really want to pull out :lol:
     
  4. Ian Poole

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    Interesting theory
     
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    Rumour says F3 Euroseries and Superleague Formula outfit Ultimate Motorsport is looking to buy 50% of Force India.

    Don't have a link, sorry.
     
  6. Ian Poole

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    Hmm, never heard of them so cannot possibly comment on it
     
  7. Peter

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    Has VJ Malla payed back Ferrari and Mercedes yet? And wht do you guys think about Schumacher in the first driver seat at Mercedes? Anyone think the 41 year old legend has what it takes?
     
  8. SUPER NUMBBER

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    Nope. He knows it. He's old and injured, if he gets into a car, it'll only bring his legend back to ground.
     
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    Reports suggesting US backers may be interested in remains of Sauber team if QADBAK is indeed a scam. The same report claims that "a Serbian man" (Zoran Stefanovic has been seen at Toyota Motorsports GmbH - their base of operations in Cologne, Germany - at odd hours, and may be up for buying the team with a major support package from Toyota (basicaly supplying the chassis and engine and gearbox, and gifting him staff and drivers if needed). If this doesn't happen and Toyota are feelin particualrly dastardly, they could postpose their official withdrawal until March 11th, 2010 (despite having announced it, they aparently haven't lodged the paperwork - or it hasing been accepted - owing to the situation regarding Toyota's legal status), by which time all the cars will have been through scruitineering, and Sauber cannot be accepted.

    Unfortunately, you need access to Autosport's premium service - which I don't have - if you want to see the article in full.
     
  10. waggles

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    http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5724180,00.html

    Sold to Mr. Sauber.

     
  11. Ardius

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    Why couldn't BMW have made this decision months ago!? :dunce: Sauber wouldn't be in this mess then!
     
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    Well BMW wants to sell the team to Peter worth 100 million euro I guess. But Peter couldn't afford it. So BMW won't sign the Concord Agreement because when you signed it, you will have to stick with F1 until the end of 2012. So BMW and Peter decided to wait for some investors to buy the team. But now what happened to the QADBAK, I think BMW decided just to let the team go to Peter Sauber himself...
     
  14. Ardius

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    Which is my point - why did BMW think they could find investors? Honda didn't last year, what makes this year any better?
    Surely it would have been better to sell the team to Peter and let him find investors with a confirmed grid place thanks to the Concord Agreement? Thats probably been the sticking point with investors - they don't want to commit to a team who has no confirmation of grid slots next year.
     
  15. Prince.M5

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    Well how should I know. Because it's BMW and it's expensive. BMW wants to sell the team to Peter but it's expensive and Peter couldn't afford it instead, they wait for the investors. Like I said, BMW wants to sell the team for 100M but Peter wants to buy the team for 50M which is half the price but BMW didn't agree that time. If they could find an investor, they could have secured 100M!! Furthermore, FIA said that there are possibilities that there could be a slot for the 14th team...

    What if they signed the Concorde Agreement and they couldn't find any investors and yet worst to come, Peter is pulling out of F1?? Now that could've been more serious trouble.
     
  16. Ardius

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    Sure, it makes sense from BMW's business perspective, but from the team's perspective its a complete mess and it will be a sad way to end the team if it doesn't make it.
    A contrast compared to Honda's handling of their team, though in that case they were already committed to 2009.
     
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    Because unlike Honda, BMW had months to find investors. Honda had just a handful of weeks, if not days
     
  18. Ian Poole

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    Could have handled it a little better though
     
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    BMW intentionally did nothing, surrendering their grid place. The darker sugestion is that this was because they didn't want a repeat of the Honda-Brawn situation an embarrass themselves.
     
  20. Ian Poole

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    Very true sir, very true

    In other news:

     
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    Virgin.
     
  22. Ardius

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    Ironically, Manor have gone from most unknown team to most well known in the space of a few months.
    While USF1 has gone the opposite way.

    Its almost certain that Manor have signed Di Grassi too now, Booth has been pretty obvious about it.

    The only thing left unknown is how good that CFD-only designed car will be.
     
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    Final entry list expected to be published at some point today. Sauber are expecting an entry, and will be awarded the 26 and 27 numbering. Jarno Trulli, Nick Heidfeld, Heikki Kovalainen, Kamui Kobayashi, Christian Klien and Pedro de la Rosa are all said to be in the frame for the drives, as is GP2 starlet Vitaly Petrov, who would open up the Russian markets in 2011, something it seems Peter Sauber reckons is worth thinking about. Given his reputation as a finder of new talent, the likes of Petrov and Kobayashi could do worse than Sauber.
     
  24. Ardius

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    He also confirmed a new Ferrari deal. So at least some form of Ferrari has number 27 again. :tup:
     
  25. Prince.M5

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    I have a feeling. I reckon that Sauber could have Heidfeld as their first driver and Christian Klien as the seond driver. Hmmm...
     
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    It might be Stefanovic after all.

    Is it just me, or does the name "Stefan GP" sound a little - dare I say it - camp? Surely something like Stefanovic Sport or AMCO Serbia would be better-sounding. If he's buying out the Toyota operation (with engines and chassis) and Toyota want no part in Formula One, I could see the team appearing as AMCO Serbia with the Toyota engines rebadged as a "Stefanovic".
     
  27. maximumattack

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    I've been out of the loop for about a week and wow is there alot for me to catch up on, I'll read through all the to-ing & fro-ing and get back to you all shortly :tup:
     
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    I have to say that I've lost the tiny shred of respect I had left for BMW as a company (especially Dr. Mario Theissen) and gained quite a bit for Peter Sauber over the past week or so.

    Talk about one stand-up guy (i.e. Mr. Sauber)...
     
  29. Ian Poole

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    I read that on teletext yesterday, don't let it be so!

    But how about this one:

     
  30. Only_in_f1

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    I think the 'return' of Flav opens up maybe a Panasonic/Renault link up reportedly worth $48million.

    Which In turn could see Koba and Nick and Renault(?) With Sato teaming up with his old Sponsors Virgin at Manor/Virgin F1 with Glock.

    Sefan GP have 'denied' wanting to buy the Toyota entry however It would throw a massive spanner in the works.
     
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