Your predictions for the driver line-up, 2010

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  1. prisonermonkeys

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    That's a better quote than the one I read. Well, it's the same quote, but the text of the article it was in painted a different picture.
    The short version is this: Soucek paid to drive for Fisichella Motorsport in the GP2 series in 2008. However, they dropped him very early on. Soucek took legal action against the oners of Fisichella Motorsport in Belgium this year, impounding their cars and preventing them from competing. He was perfectly within his rights to do this, of course, but here's the problem: the team was no longer FMS. They had sold the team completely to Coloni Motorsport. I don't know the exact nature of the deal, but it seems the people Soucek had an issue with had already left, and Soucek had someone else's car impounded.
     
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    Alguersuari has actually been confirmed in the last couple of days.


    Lol... I think Piquet jr returning to F1 is near certain at some point. Due to his financial backing. I don't really like him either, but he is determined to come back, knowing that he would be the most hated person in the paddock.

    Can't say I remember the statement... What did he say?

    While I agree that Alguersuari hasn't really proven himself yet I think we really need to wait until the start of the 2010 season to make a proper judgement.

    I seem to remember hearing Lewis Hamilton saying that if he had taken the race seat at Mclaren after Juan Pablo Montoya left (and he was offered it), he'd have crashed a lot.

    I think he went on to say that the days of testing during the winter did him the world of good. If alguersuari can use the test days to get more comfortable with the car, it could make a world of difference.
     
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    There's a small but well defined difference between confidence and arrogance. Don't mix up confidence with "overestimating" (to not say "lying about") your contract status, or even worse, taking shots at your predecessor before having driven a single F1 mile. Doesn't help your likability. Same goes for claiming to be an expensive driver, if that's what Soucek really said. Not even Kimi gets a free pass on that, and he's a far cry from anything Soucek's done.

    Usually what we do around here is that if we get news, we post the source link, and apparently you're not sharing as such, bro.

    I think Alguersuari himself could've used the same amount of caution before questioning Bourdais' commitment. Here's the thing: even if you had accomplished anything in life, unless you're driving the same car at the same time with this person, you don't get rights to rag on anyone's performance.
     
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    Soucek didn't say he was too expensive to Campos. What he said was that he (and his sponsors) was too poor to get a seat with Campos. :)
     
  5. Ardius

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    I can't remember the exact words but it was something along the lines of "Bourdais was too lazy to try to fix his problems", he was basically critical of Bourdais' efforts and suggested he would be more focused.
    I agree somewhat that we shouldn't expect much without testing but at the same time we haven't seen any flashes of speed whatsoever. Even Grosjean has shown some speed despite all the spins and crashes. Even a driver without testing should be able to display some skill, especially after a couple of races.

    The Bourdais comment I admitted was arrogant. However, the contract stuff is not arrogant - he believes he has a contract already, perhaps he hasn't realised he hasn't signed anything and is going by promises - we don't know. Maybe he's signed but Toro Rosso are having second thoughts, they are well known for being horrible driver managers.
    Soucek you're basing off comments that don't exist, but I think he's an idiot anyway - just not for his PR talk.
     
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    Okay, maybe their recent comment might've been misconstrued somewhat. Still, after the way these 2 have acted before, I wouldn't put it beyond them to say such a thing.
     
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    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80423
     
  10. Ardius

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    Well, I guess he only has to look back 4 or 5 champions to see that taking a year off doesn't mean you can't return to F1.
    However, if Hakkinen is any indication - he may not return at all.

    This also makes Mercedes' other seat further interesting, is Heidfeld really a surprise? Is the Kubica/Renault/Prodrive switch the key?

    I reckon we will see:
    Heidfeld leading Sauber.
    Kubica at Mercedes after agreeing a switch when Renault pull out and Prodrive take over, agreeing for Mercedes engines.
    Anthony Davidson at Prodrive-Mercedes.
    Kobayashi at Sauber.

    I hope for:
    Davidson and Di Resta at Prodrive Mercedes. Not only do we have McLaren with Button and Hamilton, but then an all-Brit Prodrive team! This could feasibly happen too, as Di Resta is backed by Mercedes and has been fairly impressive in young driver testing.

    Being realistic though, this is the zillionth time Richards has been connected with a buyout or something F1. I am somewhat pessimisitic of Prodrive appearing next year, but nothing to say they won't.
     
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    The latest suggestion on the Renault front seems to be this:

    Renault won't actually be going anywhere. They will still maintain ownership of the team, but the responsibility and day-to-day operations of it will fall to Dave Richards, who will run it under the Prodrive banner. This will allow Renault to maintain a presence as engine supplier, whilst Kubica will still be committed to the team, and they will still run the numbers 11 and 12 because the ownership isn't actually changing.

    Richards will invest in the team with the aid of Gerard Lopez of Mangrove Investment and Gravity Sports Management. Lopez will bring sponsorship through his associations in the form of Russian Vitaly Petrov, who comes with MegaFon backing. So we could be seeing a MegaFon Prodrive-Renault in 2010. There's no word on the potential for Gulf sponsorship, but I think that's something of a pipe dream, anyway.
     
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    ^I don't think Gulf is totally out of the question, they appear to have a great relationship with the AMR Le Mans operation.

    I'd be a little surprised if Jan Charouz doesn't play a part either, he's usually mixed up in it.
     
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    Well, a lot of people are going ga-ga over photoshop images of an F1 car dressed up in blue-and-orange Gulf livery. But the thing to remember is that if what I posted is what comes to pass - hell, even if it's only Prodrive and there is no gravity or MegaFon involvement in the deal - then Renault will have the final say, and they already have a working relationship with Total. Prodrive may have to take Total on, as they would be using Renault engines and Total's relationship with Renault is similar to Shell's with Ferrari and Mobil's with McLaren/Mercedes.

    Well, Antonin Charouz reckons there's potenial for a Czech Grand Prix in the near future. He's working on a project to have a DTM race in Prague either in 2010 or 2011, and the success of it could set them up for a date with the Formula One calendar, possibly in 2011 or 2012. If Jan Charouz is associated with a Prodrive/Aston Martin F1 project, that dream could become a reality that much quicker.
     
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    Just some other news on some other news in F1:

    I watched Parante in A1GP, okay they were all the same cars but he was blinding in some races and in others, well, he missed the plot so he may make it, he may not

    And just to show how boring it is:

     
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    This just in: Renault are probably going, and soon. They have two conflicting bids.

    The first, favoured by Carlos Ghosn, comes from Gereard Lopez an Gravity Sports Management. Lopez would buy between 75 and 100% of the team and take control of their finances, while the Renault Young Driver Program would be absorbed into Gravity. The Renault name itself would stay in the sport for two more years. This arrangement apparently has the blessing of Bernie Ecclestone, who wants to see Renault stay in the sport. Then again, Ecclestone tipped Button to stay with Brawn/Mercedes less than forty-eight hours before he was annouced at McLaren.

    The second comes from Dave Richards and is apaprently the favourite of Renault's F1 Team management. Richards and Prodrive would allow Renault to bow out straight away, but stay on as an engine supplier.

    That's funny - Campos said as recently as yesterday that Petrov and Maldonado were looking increasingly likely as the two contenders for the second Campos drive, while Parente has said to be on-again, off-again with Virgin and very hesitant over something that led to the team abandoning talks with him.
     
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    Sorry, new here.

    I read on teletext (can't remember whether it was itv or bbc, but i definately read it.

    I've had a quick look, and can't find any evidence on their websites.

    I found these though

    http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/091126103305.shtml

    http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/11/26/alguersuari-2010-contract-is-signed/

    Not really sure whether these sources are reliable. I think he'll be back anyway, but they might ditch him halfway through the season if he doesn't improve

    Anyone else think Sebastien Bourdais should get the number 2 drive for USF1? I know he didn't exactly shine in F1, but apparently, he was always trying to fix the car's setup (according to a source from toro rosso (in autosport magazine some months ago). And to be fair to him, the car was a right dog at the start of the season.

    I imagine he's a pretty popular guy in america (Due to his 4 consecutive Champcar titles) and the new teams could do a lot worse than Bourdais.

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    At least they're being sensible and allowing someone to take over the team. Hope this works out. Anyone else more excited than usual about next season? I love the fact that it's going back to 26 cars.

    Is it wrong to hope that a few of the teams have terrible reliability (eg., cars breaking down all the time). F1 cars nowadays are very reliable. Imagine how much more exciting it would it be seeing Rosberg (for example) in the lead with a few laps to go, but remembering he's had terrible reliability previously... Will he finish the race? I'm hoping that some of the teams find it tough to get to grips with the refuelling ban as well.

    /Rant
     
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    Well reliability has certainly helped make those heartbreaker races over the years...Hungary 1997, Adelaide 1986, Monaco 1982....

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80434

    Gravity is actually a rival bid.

    Its not inconcievable for a team to run an oil company without actually using their oils for the engine, just the same as rebadged engines. I agree that Total and Renault will have a say, but Renault's engine may not need to run on Total, they had Elf sponsorship before and the Total contract may have clauses on both sides (Total may not want to be connected with Prodrive for whatever reason or the contract specifically stated the team be owned and run by Renault).
     
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    Would one be implying that Sir Isaac Newton is coming back from the dead to take over Renault? :sly::sly::sly:
     
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    Well he would have more gravitas than Flav!
     
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    The downforce on the Renaults would be unparalleled. Forget the double diffusers :sly:
     
  22. Ardius

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    How about this for strange:

     
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    Owkey they launch their cars together.. That's weird but sometimes, it sounds good though as a reason to cut costs. It would also be interesting too to watch all the cars launched together and thus we have a chance to see all of them at one time ;).

    :lol:
     
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    Strange? :confused:
     
  26. Ian Poole

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    From a perspective that this is something you never saw coming, unless you is implying something else Mr. Ardius?
     
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    How did you never see greater co-operation coming from 13 teams who are part of a common association (FOTA) and have been largely together on many issues recently, even threatening to make their own series?
    Having a joint launch is cheaper and more sensible. If they can agree to ban beneficial technologies that some teams have spent a lot of money on already (KERS), then I think they can agree to something so small as this.

    Strange? Maybe if this was 1995.
     
  28. Ian Poole

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    Your implication there sir?

    Also, news on De Grassi:

     
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    You'd be hard pressed to find anywhere where Benetton and Williams co-operated at the time.

    Anyway, sounds increasingly likely Schumacher will return! :eek:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2009/12/schumacher_returning_looking_i.html

     
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    Something must be happeneing because nothing is happening, right?

    Anyway, Virgin will officially be launched as Virgin Racing on the 15th, and it is expected tht they'll announce Lucas di Grassi as Timo Gock's partner.

    Elsewhere, sources - that I don't actually have, sorry - claim Kamui Kobayashi has joined Sauber.
     
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