your view on drifting

[Gonales]

Whoa Dom...you're starting to sound like you want the drifting community to be run like a dictatorship with a very narrow view on what drifting is, and anyone who has their own view or opinion on drifting should be banished from the community.

Of course the "freedom of people doing what they want" is huge....it's a free country (thank god for that!!), and people can and will do what they want, as they should!

I do agree that there is a lot of very bad info, especially in regards to tuning, spread on this forum. Just like in real life, all you can do is try to present info that you have to share in the best way possible...if people read it, great. If people read someone else's info which happens to be incorrect, and accept it as fact, that's their problem, not yours. Don't lose sleep over people failing due to reading bad info on teh interwebz. If people accept the first bit of info they find as fact, and don't bother to do more in depth research on a topic, that's their problem.

An I think you're forgetting this is a video game! There is no wrong way to play a video game...so as long as people are actually talking about playing the game, no matter how they choose to play it, of course the mods are going to go along with it and encourage it. You honestly think any one of these mods cares whether or not people "drift properly and according to convention"? I certainly don't care what anyone else does, so I don't see why a mod would either.

Because there are 13 year olds that think they know everything, and people that really want to learn basically get told lies. And I know it's just a game, but does that mean people should make the difference between real life and the game as big as possible?

I really don't care what people do offline, but as soon as they put information on the forum, or drift online... They should have a clue what they are talking about.


And no, I don't want it to be run as a dictatorship, where you get that is really vague for me. I just don't want the really good drifters to be called elitists, assholes, and what-not, just because they actually DO know more than others.

 

[DGambino1]

Because there are 13 year olds that think they know everything, and people that really want to learn basically get told lies. And I know it's just a game, but does that mean people should make the difference between real life and the game as big as possible?

I really don't care what people do offline, but as soon as they put information on the forum, or drift online... They should have a clue what they are talking about.


And no, I don't want it to be run as a dictatorship, where you get that is really vague for me. I just don't want the really good drifters to be called elitists, assholes, and what-not, just because they actually DO know more than others.

I have already been called "elitists" and "asshole" many times and it just makes me smile.
Especially by these little teams that are just in-game but not on GTP. It's funny reading their GT5 lobby conversations.

All the good drifters can do is provide the best information possible and hopefully the youngsters can determine the best information by looking at who is presenting the information. Sadly, I am probably being too optimistic. LOL!!!

Opps that me being "elitist" again...

 

[Dan]

I have already been called "elitists" and "asshole" many times and it just makes me smile.
Especially by these little teams that are just in-game but not on GTP. It's funny reading their GT5 lobby conversations.

All the good drifters can do is provide the best information possible and hopefully the youngsters can determine the best information by looking at who is presenting the information. Sadly, I am probably being too optimistic. LOL!!!

Opps that me being "elitist" again...

You know, I don't think it's worth the time and effort to put up with Gonales' crap. She won't change and will still go around telling people about the one and only way of drifting according to her because she is too scared to admit she's wrong or too scared to try new styles of drifting... ESPECIALLY WITH DIFFERENT TIRES.

 

[Gonales]

I have already been called "elitists" and "asshole" many times and it just makes me smile.
Especially by these little teams that are just in-game but not on GTP. It's funny reading their GT5 lobby conversations.

All the good drifters can do is provide the best information possible and hopefully the youngsters can determine the best information by looking at who is presenting the information. Sadly, I am probably being too optimistic. LOL!!!

Opps that me being "elitist" again...

You're such a tease, lol! 👍 You're so much more relaxed than I am lol.

 

[DGambino1]

You're such a tease, lol! 👍 You're so much more relaxed than I am lol.

Well I'm just a kick-back relaxed kind of guy! You know this already.

I just try to help those that ask for help. The people who are putting their opinions out there already have their minds made up and I can't be bothered with trying to change it.

They usually end up in our Night Slide room at one point or another, and usually get their eyes opened! The best part for me is when they realize that their knowledge has flaws and then ask for help.

That is when we can truly make a difference! 👍

 

[twitcher]

Dom, I know you don't actually want a dictatorship lol...I was being facetious.

CallmeDan, there's no need to be rude. Dom was just stating her opinion. Just because you don't necessarily agree with it, that doesn't mean that it's crap. Really not sure why you quoted Gambino's post in your's.

 

[Aquarelle]

You know, I don't think it's worth the time and effort to put up with Gonales' crap. She won't change and will still go around telling people about the one and only way of drifting according to her because she is too scared to admit she's wrong or too scared to try new styles of drifting... ESPECIALLY WITH DIFFERENT TIRES.

Maybe if you actually stopped, calmed down and got to know Dom, you'd realise how wrong you are =/

 

[twitcher]

maybe if you actually stopped, calmed down and got to know dom, you'd realise how wrong you are =/

+1

 

[Gonales]

Maybe if you actually stopped, calmed down and got to know Dom, you'd realise how wrong you are =/

+1

Don't worry, it happens quite often, (even on here), that people think they know who I am without even getting to know me I stopped caring frankly, which may have resulted in caring less for my attitude towards others... Kinda see the spiral?

 

[fitftw]

I don't really don't mind people drifting 4wd, I have drifted a 4wd once or twice on my wheel and one thing that I can tell you is that they like to go wide (understeer) !

If you get proficient at pulling the e-brake to initiate a drift rather than just inertia drifting, 4wd can drift just as easy and good as rwd. Don't believe me? I'll drift with anyone here using a 4wd and I guarantee none of you will have any complaints about my use of it.

 

[twitcher]

If you get proficient at pulling the e-brake to initiate a drift rather than just inertia drifting, 4wd can drift just as easy and good as rwd. Don't believe me? I'll drift with anyone here using a 4wd and I guarantee none of you will have any complaints about my use of it.

That's a very bold statement...you sure you can back up those claims?

 

[DarkAvengerZR1]

Quit the off-topic.

My point on drifting? Have fun and learn how to control a car. Simple and easy. Obviously, rwd, awd or fwd are different, some are better, some are worse, but it is possible, maybe not in same room, or in tandem, but still possible.

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[alpacaflip]

I personally don't mind what people do. The only thing that I do mind, is if a lobby is set up a certain way, and a certain person demands you set it up another way. I respect if you ask even though it may not change, but demanding is never ok in my book.



Probably my favorite drift video of GT5. This has a bunch of different styles in it which are negatively viewed by some on this forum.

 

[Dan]

I personally don't mind what people do. The only thing that I do mind, is if a lobby is set up a certain way, and a certain person demands you set it up another way. I respect if you ask even though it may not change, but demanding is never ok in my book.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSVMiNnD2YA">YouTube Link</a>

Probably my favorite drift video of GT5. This has a bunch of different styles in it which are negatively viewed by some on this forum.

Oh my goddddd!!!!!!! The drifting in there was rediculously awesome!!! SuperGT drift train, a sideways Formula GT, a Honda Civic with supercars, just.... wow.

Do I have to be Japanese to drift that well? If so, I'm outta luck.

 

[CJDA9]

That video is awesome pac!

I really don't have much to add to the OP's question except that I have recently drifted with one 4wd car/driver that actually could stay behind me, not run away from me, or bash into me, but they are few and far between. I will say I really don't mind if someone is using 4wd to drift but I do if they are getting in my way and or screwing me up, and that is most of the time. That's why I try to stay away from lobby's without restrictions. 👍👍

 

[TwistyDrift]

I personally don't mind what people do. The only thing that I do mind, is if a lobby is set up a certain way, and a certain person demands you set it up another way. I respect if you ask even though it may not change, but demanding is never ok in my book.



Probably my favorite drift video of GT5. This has a bunch of different styles in it which are negatively viewed by some on this forum.

That's amazing bro must have taken you a long time to setup and create. Hats down to ya.

 

[Reddee]

That video is awesome pac!

I really don't have much to add to the OP's question except that I have recently drifted with one 4wd car/driver that actually could stay behind me, not run away from me, or bash into me, but they are few and far between. I will say I really don't mind if someone is using 4wd to drift but I do if they are getting in my way and or screwing me up, and that is most of the time. That's why I try to stay away from lobby's without restrictions. 👍👍

Funny you should say this I was drifting door to door with an Evo the other day too, maybe it was the same person. Usually the 4x4 drivers just ram me off track but this guy was good.

 

[miko1337]

Funny you should say this I was drifting door to door with an Evo the other day too, maybe it was the same person. Usually the 4x4 drivers just ram me off track but this guy was good.

The thing is, if you're a good drifter in an FR, you're a good drifter in any drivetrain with the right tune. And I can back that statement up too. 👍

 

[Gonales]

The thing is, if you're a good drifter in an FR, you're a good drifter in any drivetrain with the right tune. And I can back that statement up too. 👍

Hmm, this is mostly true. But I can't drift FF cars for the life of me. 4WD is no problem though. (Not saying I appreciate 4wd drifting though )

 

[Aquarelle]

Hmm, this is mostly true. But I can't drift FF cars for the life of me. 4WD is no problem though. (Not saying I appreciate 4wd drifting though )

It's relatively easy to 'drift' FF.. In a sense of getting the rears loose and causing some nice smoke at least.
However getting any decent angle is beyond my ability, not saying it's impossible since I haven't put much effort into trying but I have gotten an FF to get its tail out with some encouragement

 

[fitftw]

How do you even break traction while turning in an FF? The only thing I can do is yank the e-brake and basically KEEP it yanked. I see no point in trying to drift FF.

 

[Aquarelle]

Didn't say there was a point just saying it can be done and it looks mildly impressive.

It's not fun though, so what's the point.

 

[MSTER232]

I am learning to drift with wheel and pedals an I wanted to see peoples views on using a 4wd car for drifting. Would you class these as drifts or do you prefere the rwd cars ?

From Wikipedia:

Drifting is a driving technique where the driver intentionally oversteers, causing loss of traction in the rear wheels, while maintaining control from entry to exit of a corner. A car is drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that often the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa).

So if you're causing oversteer deliberately and you're doing it to slide the car around the corner, then you're drifting, regardless of the cars transmission type. I suggest RWD as this is what a lot of drifters use and it will produce a better feel in the steering wheel as when drifting 4WD cars the wheel tends to go light suggesting the front wheels are starting to lift off. This doesn't happen in a RWD car so try one and see if you like it. If you don't like it then try other transmission types and see what ones will suit you best.

 

[twitcher]

You can drift FF without using the e-brake. I do it all the time in my '90 Golf IRL in the snow....used to do it in my Old's Cutlass Sierra Classic as well I use momentum and weight transfer, along with a "flick" to initiate. It's not very elegant, but it's fun to do on the way home from work lol. And it's also very difficult to maintain longer, extended drifts....that's where the e-brake and ass-dragging comes in haha.

I'm not sure if it would work on dry pavement (can't afford to risk my car right now lol), but I think if you had some pinner tires on the rear (2 donuts FTW), and made the rear as light as possible, it could be done.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't come anywhere close to drifting RWD, or AWD in the snow (very fun if you haven't tried it btw), but it's still brings a smile to my face, and until I can afford a second vehicle, will be as much drifting fun I can have IRL. Thank god for GT5 haha

 

[fitftw]

Drifting FF in GT5 on dry pavement does not work with any car I have tried to oversteer with, without using the e-brake. All you'll get is understeer. Sometimes a little bit of lift-throttle oversteer but only very momentarily and I certainly wouldn't call that drifting.

 

[Stavingo]

As long as people don't bump me while tandeming with any drivetrain then I'm good, I just dislike all the catfights regarding simplistic complexes on the forum. Learn to research with legit resources before arguing kiddies.

How do you even break traction while turning in an FF? The only thing I can do is yank the e-brake and basically KEEP it yanked. I see no point in trying to drift FF.

Gripper tires on the front and CH's on the rear helps it get a little loose around corners.

 

[Dan]

Gripper tires on the front and CH's on the rear helps it get a little loose around corners.

So, would Sports Hards work on the front or something with even more grip?

 

[driftmonkey1971]

Dont any of you guys join japanese rooms.... They drift fwd like a boss... they were that good I just watched them!!

After 2 yrs and yall still debating about drive trains and tyres.....
Broaden your Horizons...

 

[alpacaflip]

That's amazing bro must have taken you a long time to setup and create. Hats down to ya.

I wish it was my video, but it isn't haha. It's Team PP; the guys you see at the top of the drift trial seasonal events a lot.

I think one of the funniest things I've actually witnessed in GT5 lobby, was a Japanese guy in an AWD car with the power to the front wheels. He was sliding in reverse, and somehow holding tandems with slower cars. I was hysterical.

Also anyone trying to slide in FF. Try the Honda City Turbo with grippy tires in front and less grippy in rear. Add a bit of camber to rear by the way.

 

[Stavingo]

So, would Sports Hards work on the front or something with even more grip?

Yeah that compound or maybe mediums.