Z06 motor NOT covered by warranty, if..

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This isn't a surprise. It's the same case with many other manufacturers. Track use is an easy way to void a drivetrain warranty in their eyes, as well as launching the car at redline. Both are grounds for insta-void with a good portion of autohouses.
 
indeed. but isn't Z06 the track-oriented version of Corvette? in addition, when you buy ZR-1, you get a free performance driving lesson on track.. if you mis-shift during that and fry the engine, according to this the engine is not covered by warranty, and I don't even dare to think how much the ZR1's engine costs.
 
It's not just the Z06, I'm pretty sure with just about every car if you blow something up on a track it isn't covered. Just like if you blow a Jeep up off roading it it's not covered either. I'm actually surprised people didn't know this, I mean your warranty booklet explains all of this to you.
 
It's not just the Z06, I'm pretty sure with just about every car if you blow something up on a track it isn't covered. Just like if you blow a Jeep up off roading it it's not covered either. I'm actually surprised people didn't know this, I mean your warranty booklet explains all of this to you.

1. Chevrolet sponsors track days for Z06 and ZR1 customers.
2. In the commercials, the car is shown going around a track.
3. The car is purpose-built for high-performance use.
4. The warranty specifically is voided under racing but not track use.

TRUTH: a failing automaker cannot afford to pay out warranty claims like it once did and is denying everything they have the chance to.

TRUTH: bankruptcy could negate warranty claims. Ask Daewoo owners.

Buy foreign or buy used, but don't buy their bull ****! :)
 
Buy foreign or buy used, but don't buy their bull ****! :)

The UAW needs to steal a play from the import builders handbook !!!!

Look at the retail value of lets say , a Honda, Nissan , Toyota , they smoke the domestic cars , and I'm not afraid to say this , but the imports are a better made car , and offer better fuel economy , and a better factory warranty , they are not afraid to stand behind their product !!!!
 
To be honest every manufacturer is like this. Those track day things are called "driving schools" and use no timing on the track so the warraty can be kept. Remember when Mitsu made a track event for EVOs and voided everyones warranty that went there? BMW also if they catch you at a track, say good bye 'cause it's gone. No surprise in this at all.

Also being driver error is like parking the car on a tree and going in for a wiggle at speed. It was YOUR fault it happened and not manufacturing problems like warranties are made to take care of.
 
Okay, are people gonna quit bitching about losing your warranty if you drive it exceptionally hard? This same thing came up with the GT-R tranny.

It's a proven fact that raising the revolutions a machine makes in a set of time will make it wear quicker and faster. Say you've got a 6,700 RPM redline on your engine. Typically, you don't drive in that range unless you're a complete hoon. you only drive like that on a race track. To do this reliably and economically, you need to beef things up. Bigger bearings, possibly even Roller-type, bigger con rods, bigger everything. and you probably won't reach 6,700, because you now have a HUGE engine. so you miss your performance objectives.

People, a typical circle-track racing engine is only good for one season. Those have much stronger, more expensive parts than the typical street car engine. and yet, if driven right, a street engine can last more than 100,000 miles, longer than any race engine there is. but, they won't last if raced. You cannot expect a manufacturer to cover a car that's obviously been raced.
 
100,000 miles? Try 238,300 miles, that is how many my car has. To be honest yes with excessive force a engine or any drivetrain cmponent will fail. Depends on what he did, if he went from 4th to 3rd instead of 5th then I don't care what car you have it would have broken.
 
Okay, are people gonna quit bitching about losing your warranty if you drive it exceptionally hard? This same thing came up with the GT-R tranny.

It's a proven fact that raising the revolutions a machine makes in a set of time will make it wear quicker and faster. Say you've got a 6,700 RPM redline on your engine. Typically, you don't drive in that range unless you're a complete hoon. you only drive like that on a race track. To do this reliably and economically, you need to beef things up. Bigger bearings, possibly even Roller-type, bigger con rods, bigger everything. and you probably won't reach 6,700, because you now have a HUGE engine. so you miss your performance objectives.

People, a typical circle-track racing engine is only good for one season. Those have much stronger, more expensive parts than the typical street car engine. and yet, if driven right, a street engine can last more than 100,000 miles, longer than any race engine there is. but, they won't last if raced. You cannot expect a manufacturer to cover a car that's obviously been raced.

But, as mentioned when the GT-R case popped up, it's a bit rich the company building a performance car and then voiding the warranty when the performance is used. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't refuse to pay out if a car is clearly being abused, but the Z06, and the GT-R, have been built to have very high performance. People are going to use that high performance - it's what they buy the cars for. So why punish them if the car can't take a bit of stick?
 
Yeah, and this might have been mentioned here, but the GTR's warranty is voided if you turn the traction control off.... -kevin
 
But, as mentioned when the GT-R case popped up, it's a bit rich the company building a performance car and then voiding the warranty when the performance is used. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't refuse to pay out if a car is clearly being abused, but the Z06, and the GT-R, have been built to have very high performance. People are going to use that high performance - it's what they buy the cars for. So why punish them if the car can't take a bit of stick?

I could not agree more. There is something wrong when a company can get away with such things as that. There is no doubt to any one what the purpose of these cars is,& they even market such. And the premium price the cars cost the buyers. Its like saying getting a boat engine wet voids the warranty.
 
So why punish them if the car can't take a bit of stick?

Because then they would lose tons of money. Imagine if they had to replace every engine that was blown on the track. Everybody would be a lot more careless.

If you go to the track expect things to break.
 
Yeah, and this might have been mentioned here, but the GTR's warranty is voided if you turn the traction control off.... -kevin

We have a very nice, long argument about this in the GT-R thread. One which basically boils down to this: all warranty items are on a case-to-case basis. The guy who broke his GT-R did over 20 launches within the break-in period of the car (during this period, BMW, for example, will not even allow you to rev an M-engine past 4000 rpms), and Nissan didn't say "no" right away. They brought in two techs from Japan to pore over the gearbox and confirm, basically, that the guy was a hoonatic who abused his car.

If you troll through NAGTROC (the GT-R owners forum where this issue came up), you'll note that there are tuners who've got over 50 launches on their cars with nothing breaking... and the Russian dude whose broken gears are pasted all over the internet, did 70-100 Launch-Control Launches.

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I've done quite a bit of track time and I've seen how even untimed track sessions can cause suspension failures, overheats, oil starvation (and blown engines), brake failure and all sorts of nasty stuff. Even if you have a "high performance" car, things will break.

The only difference between an untimed session and a timed session is that more people will shunt their cars in a timed session. :dopey:

Thankfully, the worst I've ever experienced on the racetrack was a burned clutch, scored brakes, busted front ball-joint and boiling brake fluid and coolant... not a big deal at all. :lol:

Anyone who thinks the manufacturers have a responsibility to pay for the stuff they break while driving hard is either a trackday newbie or a selfish arse for asking other people to pay for their mistakes.

Even if it happens on the streets, if the damage is due to hard driving, manufacturers are not obliged to cover it. I know a guy who blew his engine because he was basically pinging off the rev-limiter in top gear on the highway. Not covered. The GT-R guy? Well, sucks to be you, man. I agree that the repair cost is steep, but if I were him, I wouldn't be trying to get it done under warranty!

The argument that if a company builds and advertises a high-performance car they should warranty its use in high-performance driving is weak. You don't get warranties on race cars or race engines, now, do you? The best warranty I've seen for race-engines is that they're guaranteed to run a few dozen hours before blowing up.

Now look at it this way. A high-performance street car needs to meet exacting durability standards... it has to not overheat at idle in traffic (trust me, that's very hard for a race-car to do), it has to survive a few thousand miles between oil changes (racecars, every race-weekend) and it has to go over 100,000 miles before needing a rebuild, if ever (race engines, from every few races to every season). That's a very demanding set of criteria for an engine that produces race-car amounts of power.

To ensure that you can give your customers this kind of coverage and reassurance that their cars will last this long, you make rules about what they can and can't do with their cars to expect this kind of coverage. They use markers to sort the wheat from the chaff... the legitimate warranty coverage issues from "it broke because he broke it". For Nissan, the ESC is just such a marker (but at least they investigated, first, before denying), for BMW, Launch Control use is also a marker. For most other automakers, off-road use is the biggest marker of all.

If you're driving the car on-road hard enough to break it, you're doing something illegal (burnouts, drag-racing and speeding are all illegal, right? Right? :D ), thus you have no case in court. If you're driving on the race track, that's automatically "off-road" and every manufacturer is within its rights to deny warranty on anything that happens there. It's harsh, but it keeps them from having to pay out to guys who abuse their cars wantonly, and this cost-saving is passed on to other owners of the same car, whose more mundane problems are actually covered by warranty.
 
That was a huge version of what I tried to say but maybe it coming from someone other than me will make people listen.
 
Hey now - I didn't see Audi running to the German government demanding a multi-billion-dollar handout!!

LOL, WUT?

VW already asked the Germans for money, I believe the EU shoveled out cash to just about everyone as well. No one is immune my friend, the Swedes are asking for protection in case their domestic owners fall flat, the Japanese are always over-protective of their brands... This is a global thing.

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Not much of a surprise, really. Who remembers the hoopla from a few years ago when Mitsubishi started looking for Evo owners out on trackdays to void their warranties?
 
LOL, WUT?

VW already asked the Germans for money, I believe the EU shoveled out cash to just about everyone as well. No one is immune my friend, the Swedes are asking for protection in case their domestic owners fall flat, the Japanese are always over-protective of their brands... This is a global thing.

VW asked for money for their credit arm NOT the auto manufacturing arm. GM needs money to run the biz. VW asking for money was like a bank asking for money because that's the bit of VW that needs the money due to so many defaults. It's a whole different thing. Got it??
 
Wait - what the crap are you noobs saying about "imports standing behind their stuff?" Are you all forgetting the whole thing about the Nissan GTR launch control? A BUTTON right on the dash that's used to get the advertised 0-60 time? Oh that's right, it only counts if an American company does it since everyone is so import biased these days.

Also, the big 3 bailout isn't really necessary: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122939117718809261.html

Moral of the story: Get an older, used car. Be your own warranty. Things tend to break less too if you build it right. :)
 
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quote from NAGTROC:

The LS7 engine has had it's share of engine problems.

The early 06 Z06's had an issue with the... then new dry slump oil pump...

Actually saw one toasted @ Sebring with Viper Days, March 2006.

LS7's with oil pump problems were all replaced under warranty.


Late 06/early 07 GM ran into a bad batch of rocker assemblies... all repaired or engines replaced under warranty.

Earlier this year GM took a hard stand on ECU calibrations... denying warranty if engine had a non-factory tune.

For indestructible reputation it sure has had it's fair share of issues.
 
Because then they would lose tons of money. Imagine if they had to replace every engine that was blown on the track. Everybody would be a lot more careless.

If you go to the track expect things to break.

No. Just no. As I already said, I wouldn't expect a company to pay out if the car was being abused. The case of the GT-R driver doing static launches over, and over was a case of abuse and I'm not surprised he ruined the gearbox.

Taking a car on track on the other hand is not abusive behaviour, certainly not for a Corvette which is designed to have high performance. It's more than capable of being taken on track and as long as the driver isn't drifting it all day or doing flat-shifts, then I don't see how track driving could be considered abusive enough to void the car's warranty.

They may as well fit the car with a 4-cyl 1.6 engine if the performance isn't designed to be used.
 
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