Online dealerships ruin cars rareity

I think we should all just think we're right and walk away. (Even though that's not the usual answer) Lock this thread and be over with it.

Both sides don't seem to be getting the others point.

I get your point, I just dont agree with it

Oh ok. That's good at least. 👍

At the end of the day, we're 10 months down the line and I don't see how anyone can expect to be the only guy with any given car.

The 'special' period passed a long time ago.

Here I made it simple for everyone GO HERE.

Oh... then nevermind about that part of my post.

GODfreyGT5

Yes, this one of the main points.
The problem is that people in random lobbies and team lounges are not going to recognise and/or fully understand your achievement and know you have earnt it.

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If your talking about needing "skill" to acheive these cars vs those that have no skill and "cheat" then I can tell you that once you beat the lobby/team by 10+ seconds in a 5 lap race (which assuming you have skill you will be able to do) you will get all the recognition your after.

Much like that Olympic reference earlier, I might go buy a copy of a gold medal and claim I won it at swimming, but once the local 5yr old beats me in a swim race my credibility is in tatters.

I personally don't think you need any skill to achieve the cars in GT5 (except to gold the Vettel Challenges), all you need is time, which kinda makes it an unimportant topic.

If your collecting cars the "proper" way and expect others to sing you praise then your going about it the wrong way. It should be something you do to feel good about yourself and how you wish to play the game.

it seams that the op picked up the game later than us people who got it the 1st day. with being in 2 club on gtp and massive trading. i've had ALL the cars since march. big whoop now. but i still buy cars for the love of the game!

Small_Fryz

If your talking about needing "skill" to acheive these cars vs those that have no skill and "cheat" then I can tell you that once you beat the lobby/team by 10+ seconds in a 5 lap race (which assuming you have skill you will be able to do) you will get all the recognition your after.

Much like that Olympic reference earlier, I might go buy a copy of a gold medal and claim I won it at swimming, but once the local 5yr old beats me in a swim race my credibility is in tatters.

I personally don't think you need any skill to achieve the cars in GT5 (except to gold the Vettel Challenges), all you need is time, which kinda makes it an unimportant topic.

If your collecting cars the "proper" way and expect others to sing you praise then your going about it the wrong way. It should be something you do to feel good about yourself and how you wish to play the game.

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Yeah I see what your saying now I guess, just some prize-only cars would be hotttt!

I'm just gonna give up on this thread now, people such as 'Ya Pops' are just disrespectful. The GT5 section tends to turn a difference in opinion into civil war. Will just stay mostly in the Drifting forum from now on I think.

OP has a fairly reasonable point.

Having the rotating UCD functionality in the game naturally leads to some cars being harder to come across. The thrill of seeing an unusual or rare car is obviously something PD wanted users to experience. Take the 2J - very hard to come by and very expensive. Of course then it's going to have some value attached to its rarity.

So then seeing your special rare car appear in the OCD a few days later for a fraction of the price can be a bit of a bummer. It takes away that special feeling somewhat.

Not that that means you should resent others who have gotten it from the OCD, but I can understand why it's a bit of a bummer.

Everyone likes to feel a bit special in a video game. That's what the entire MMO genre is based around. So when your rare car is suddenly in the hands of everyone, naturally you might feel a little disappointed. It's not morally correct maybe, but it is understandable.

I feel where the OP is comming from, but the annoying for me it's not so much the OCD which eliminates the 'lucky moment' of the random popup of cars in the UCD but much more the combination with the high-payout seasonals, which lets everyone buy each car without serious efford.

So don't get me wrong. I didn't say the endless grind for money before the seasonals were introduced was the right way, but with nowadays 18 min grind of la Sathre for a new FGT just makes everything too accessible and people just loose the feel of the value for a car.

Same goes for any part-updates. Who cares about wheter he could afford a turbo3 or RS tyres, when the money for that can be made in 15secs @la Sathre ???

So, let me try to explain this *situation* to myself:

1. I got some particular car as a in-game prize for some in-game achievement
2. That car is the Standard car, since we're discussing Standard cars here
3. As a Standard car - despite being a prize-car - it can appear in the UCD just because it is a Standard car > of course, it will not be a "zero miles" car as it would be as a prize car, but it can be obtained through UCD
4. So, basically, it has nothing to do with OCD-existence at all
5. However, OCD allows that same Standard prize-car can be bought in it's "zero mile" state IT IS IS AVAILABLE IN THE CURRENT COMMISSION for HALF-PRICE of it's UCD state
6. Notice we have now established how the SAME STANDARD PRIZE-CAR CAN IN FACT BE OBTAINED through 3 different ways/conditions:
> prize car ("zero miles", free)
> UCD car ("broken in", full price)
> OCD car ("zero miles", half of the full price)

6a. Of course, there is a fourth way to obtain ANY car in game in "zero-miles" status, except X2010 > through save-file backup and LV Card molesting
6b. However, preventing save-file backup would bring us back to unacceptable times prior to 1.02 update so that one is really out of the question

7. Conclusion 1: none of the Standard prize-cars in game are in fact obtainable ONLY through prize-status, but also as through UCD - only restrained by some particular imaginative moment when they appear
8. Conclusion 2: so, getting CLK GTR(LM) is not doable only through prize, but also through UCD
9. Conclusion 3: OCD just allows that people who like to have "zero-miles" cars for their collecting-purposes can have best of both worlds
10: Solution 1 for OP: Make the prize-car non-obtainable through anything except actual winning the particular event (as it was the case with Nismo 400R in the first GT game for example)
11. Conclusion 4: There is actually really one partially *unobtainum* car in-game, it is X2010 (despite it can also be somewhat duped an such, but with more restrictions)

Although I somehow agree with the OP's points, I also have to express some private and subjective thoughts on this subject.

I. Any *exclusivity* in this game should not be obtained through any *possession* but only through *skill*
II. Allowing that driving assists such as TCS, ASM - and most importantly SRF - are actually available in all A-Spec races, many of Special Event races and especially License Tests - where SRF is even made MANDATORY in S-Class licenses - really takes the *skill* out of equation, together with the fact how extremely important option of having "Side Track Grip" is set to OFF in all A-Spec modes (no pun intended here, because it is a deliberate design decision by PD)
III. So, although I will be called "elitist" for what I will say now, there is no real *skill* involved almost ANYWHERE in A-Spec segments of GT5, because game actually does not impose any real challenge due to allowance of vast assists-usage throughout the career mode > and everybody can beat ANY of the career-challenges with some praxis and investment of time (except for X2101 challenges, which are really demanding, even for experienced drivers)

I see no solution for OP's issue without imposing some extremely serious restrictions on races and ways how cars can be actually obtained. But than again, it would make *possession* element more important than *skill* one - and that way is wrong. Even in this topic somebody highlighted how Carbon cars are the only real "unicorn" cars, but I also find that problematic, because their actual possessing is not made through playing but through simple fact how somebody had enough funds to buy Prestige Edition of the game, which has nothing to do with *skill* but with *having money in real world*.

What would be solution for actual *showing off* how really good you are in game is implementation of stat-tracking and classes for online racing as iRacing does. But such strict hard-core design is extremely hard to implement on console-audience and would require tremendous effort on many sides.

Your just complaining that its to easy to find cars

There should be an "unlock all content" button or code for the ones that just wants to experience the driving part. Racing happens after that in online lobbies.

So no to the op.

amar212

I. Any *exclusivity* in this game should not be obtained through any *possession* but only through *skill*

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BINGO!

And as I've said before, let me add this: being able to spend more time on a game does not equal skill.

Timppaq

There should be an "unlock all content" button or code for the ones that just wants to experience the driving part.

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I would love that as an option, for me personally trying to get cars that i want is just a chore and i would love an option to buy whatever car i want whenever i feel i want to buy it and not be trapped by either UCD or OCD limitations. I have a feeling that i will never own every car i want in the game and that makes me kind of annoyed that i have paid for something i cannot access without stupid amounts of time involved.

So for me personally i think the OCD is a small bonus as it is another chance to see a car i want, but i would like to just see 1 big dealership with Premium and Standard sections then ALL the makes and models in the game showing up. Think i might be in a minority in this forum though lol.

Toronado

I'll be blunt about this: Why should anyone care that you don't like it that others are able to actually access the content in the game?

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Ya Pops

If you need to feel special, drop some fast laps, win some races and/or get a girlfriend

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This about sums it up for me. Seriously who cares outside this forum? Even the players who don't vist forums don't care, trust me I have a bunch of them.

Neocodex

I think one of the problems is people forget that GranTurismo is a racing game, and not vehicle-stamp collecting.

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This game is just as much a collecting game as it is a racing game to certain people. Nothing wrong with that.


*This game would not be what it is without the support from the players on both sides of this argument. The thing that ruins this game is people complaining, PD has botched it enough already, we don't need any further restrictions.

MuoNiuLa

The part I bolded is absurd. What would be accomplished by making money harder to earn? There is just no logical reason for it. All that would do is frustrate players even more.

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Cars now have less personal value to me. Even multi-million credit cars, because money is too easy to come by. I liked having to decide which Ferrari to buy. Now I spend a few minutes grinding an oval and I can buy them all. Prior to the Seasonals, credits were too hard to come by but now it's gone to the extreme in the other direction. Seasonals are giving out too many credits.

You see, there are two kinds of people in this world; those that want to take things slowly, and those that want it all right away.

And there are those who just want to get on with racing and don't give a hoot about the 'prestige of owning' digital replicas.

Ruin the cars rarity? Nah mate, never!! It makes them more accesable for anything to be hones mate. I'm glad of this wonderful feature.

Big thanks to PD for creating it because it gives you a chance to own rare cars.. you know everytime theres a update that is changed to different cars anyway so I don't see how its ruined their rarity.

But with all that drunken slur said its just my opinion.

I have owned this game since release, I only play on average 3-6 hours a week. I have played it without Glitching, Duping or any gifted car ticket cheat or any thing like that everything is won or bought.

But I still do not own the Nissan R390 GT1 "ROADCAR".
I haven't seen it in the UCD (i have the money)I've been looking every time I return to home screen for over 6 months it must of gone round but i've missed it,
It's hard sometimes to remembering to quit what your doing to check the UCD every 5 race starts.
For me the sense of satisfaction when i get it will be high.
But I still wish they would put it in the OCD so I can finally OWN one !!!!!! I mean over six months is a bit much.
But I have found some gems I didn't know were in the game while looking for this car.

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure everyone here has a life and pays it out differently and how they wish it to be.

AlfaBob46

But I still do not own the Nissan R390 GT1 "ROADCAR".
I haven't seen it in the UCD (i have the money)I've been looking every time I return to home screen for over 6 months it must of gone round but i've missed it,
It's hard sometimes to remembering to quit what your doing to check the UCD every 5 race starts.
For me the sense of satisfaction when i get it will be high.
But I still wish they would put it in the OCD so I can finally OWN one !!!!!! I mean over six months is a bit much.
But I have found some gems I didn't know were in the game while looking for this car.

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I still wonder how that eludes most people. I've seen a bunch of times. Oh well. I hope you find that wonderful car some day!

NLxAROSA

BINGO!

And as I've said before, let me add this: being able to spend more time on a game does not equal skill.

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This. All it means is that you just need to find something else to do besides GT.

I hate OCD, every time I want to cross the road I have to look at my shoes three times and wait for a worm to cross my path.

Only kidding,,,

I can see the point of both sides of the arguments, and agree, in part, to both.
I do get a sort of "warm & fuzzy" feeling when I take my GTR Concept into a room, as I invariably get the "wow, how did you get that" comments, along with "what the hell is it?", because it's in silver chrome. But, I purchased it in the UCD and have no problems in telling people that. It's rarity comes from the fact that they've passed it up for the more popular, and more readilly available, GTR's etc. Even better when I beat them with it in a drag race, and then start offering trades etc.

If the prize cars were a completely different livery to those that could be purchased, or traded, then the sense or rarity would be much greater. On the other hand, it's one thing to own, lets say for example, an Audi R8 LMS Team Playstation model, but quite another to actually drive it on the limit and be competitive. (Possibly a poor choice car as an example, but you'll probably get my meaning)

As stated many times across the boards, no car is truly rare in this game, in so much that it's in the game for all to acquire. If I've bought a particular car, or won it in a race event, chances are that it'll have plenty of miles on it before it shows up in the OCD. I'll have fine tuned all the options and become at ease with its many flaws, so if it turns up I get to put all that knowledge into a completely new, and more powerful, car. The rarity I enjoy online from that is watching all the noobs who've just bought it from the OCD disappearing from my rear view, or spin off into the green stuff on the first corner.

If you want to have the rarest car in the room, take a stock Fiat 500 in Lexus Pink into a drag room. You'll still lose, but the focal point of the room will be you, as you get push-driven up to 200+mph!

Smuttysy

If you want to have the rarest car in the room, take a stock Fiat 500 in Lexus Pink into a drag room. You'll still lose, but the focal point of the room will be you, as you get push-driven up to 200+mph!

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Darnit, now you just ruined the rarity of my pink 500. Now everybody will have one...

Screw preserving the rarity of vehicles; just trying to find and be able to purchase all the cars in the game is hard enough as it is. I still have yet to meet someone who has collected all the 1000+ cars this game has to offer and its been nearly a year since its released.

would say is wrong... reallly wrong... the duping and glitching ruins the car rareity but not the OCD

otherwise peoples crying "whaa whaa why is it so hard to earn credits"? so pd gave us trippe paypout and the price reduced OCD and now its wrong again? cmon people be happy -.-

friedi

would say is wrong... reallly wrong... the duping and glitching ruins the car rareity but not the OCD

otherwise peoples crying "whaa whaa why is it so hard to earn credits"? so pd gave us trippe paypout and the price reduced OCD and now its wrong again? cmon people be happy -.-

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^This.

I remember before the higher payouts, I was very tight with my cash and figuring should I buy a LMP or a classic race car and even to a 200K supercar or a tuner car a tough decision to make. I appericiate what PD did with the seasonals and made it easier to aquire cars, parts and restoring your overly used cars without worrying if it's gonna put me back a notch.

And another thing that I like is that when PD reduced the price of the cars and made them easier to get with zero miles in the OCD is great for any type of collector who wishes for any car, regardless if they have the car or not, if anyone wants more than one of their favorite car(s), they got it.

Even before this happened, the unique cars were in the OCD with little or no miles and a full price similar to the UCD prices, the cars weren't rare.

I agree with feidi, stop whinning people!