JSTC400 (GT300) Series! Season 1 Races Complete

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Would you be in favor of including the Toyota MR-S in the series?

  • Yes, please include the Toyota MR-S.

    Votes: 26 78.8%
  • No, please don't include the Toyota MR-S.

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Total voters
    33
Shoe67
I will be changing to the ARTA for the next race. Too many issues with the IS350, plus too many people are using it

I will be switching to the ARTA as well.
 
Just did a 3 way race with 4 equal drivers. For 5 laps

The lead changed alot, with no car gaining an advantage.

There was 2 Lexus' 1 Garaiya and 1 RX7

Several times the cars were 3 wide going into corners.

The RX7 won, with a Lexus 0.059 behind. The Garaiya was 0.286 behind, and the other Lexus in last only 0.522 off the lead.

I'd say it's balanced now wouldn't you? :P

We agree that they are balanced with each other, but are they balanced to the Subaru's? :nervous:
 
1.37.001 - Lexus with updated HP. I'm sure I'll need another full second to be in the top 5.

My sector 1 and 3 are great. Loosing time in sector 2.
 
1:37.0xx with the RX7 at 1180kg. Pretty stable on the times. Not worried about the top speed, the draft will solve that. I may try to go the whole race without stopping.
 
We agree that they are balanced with each other, but are they balanced to the Subaru's? :nervous:

They're balanced to one subaru ;p I don't think we can balance that subie on longer tracks, but it will keep up with the garaiya on the short tracks, i bet.

I'm unsure why we sped up the garaiya and the RX-7. They were the top of the field, minus the Lexus, so now that the lexus is regulated, they should be even. If we're adding the torque to the Garaiya, we have to add some weight (at least 20kg), because that thing just rips through the corners. With the straight line speed, it will be a dominant car.

Open up the Dunlop Subie's regulations regarding power. It will be one less thing needed to check, and it might make a little difference to keep the car competitive.
 
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my thoughts,

the Standard Subaru is an FR needs 5BHP more, just to allow it to use all its torque,

the premium Subaru is AWD that should have been the car with 404BHP, its as aero friendly as a house and for me who uses AWD cars a lot in this game its around a second slower then the standard version, at Motegi east, which should cater to AWD cars/ power cars,
 
my thoughts,

the Standard Subaru is an FR needs 5BHP more, just to allow it to use all its torque,

the premium Subaru is AWD that should have been the car with 404BHP, its as aero friendly as a house and for me who uses AWD cars a lot in this game its around a second slower then the standard version, at Motegi east, which should cater to AWD cars/ power cars,

I have a feeling it would have gotten a much needed boost in BHP, however this game decided that the motor cannot produce more than 388hp, and thus unable to go faster. If we could give it a stage 3 engine, we could make it competitive, but as of now, we would just need to slow all the other cars down, which isn't right. Maybe we need to do what we did to the Silvia and just open up the regs.
 
Hehe,👍 TDZ!

Unfortunately the AWD is stuck at 388hp, so we would have to go down on the weight. I'm not really trippin now that I my new reg's plus I think I just found a downforce trick they may help me just a little bit, but If the Cusco drivers continued to get pounded on, we can make the right adjustments for season 2. We still have 40kg's of weight to play with trying to properly balance this car to the field. :cheers:

Btw: This coincides with what Veloci is saying'
 
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VELOCI_2NR
They're balanced to one subaru ;p I don't think we can balance that subie on longer tracks, but it will keep up with the garaiya on the short tracks, i bet.

I'm unsure why we sped up the garaiya and the RX-7. They were the top of the field, minus the Lexus, so now that the lexus is regulated, they should be even. If we're adding the torque to the Garaiya, we have to add some weight (at least 20kg), because that thing just rips through the corners. With the straight line speed, it will be a dominant car.

Open up the Dunlop Subie's regulations regarding power. It will be one less thing needed to check, and it might make a little difference to keep the car competitive.

The RX7 and the Garaiya were still behind the nurfed Lexus and needed alittle boost. Its nothing major but now it's all good.

The Garaiya only gains 2kgfm of torque, it is still 8kgfm behind the Lexus. It needed the torque because it was getting beasted down the straights. The Lexus actually takes corners better with less BHP, and the rx7 reduced weight means that too takes corners better. Any advantage gained in corners by the torque gain is minimal
 
The RX7 and the Garaiya were still behind the nurfed Lexus and needed alittle boost. Its nothing major but now it's all good.

The Garaiya only gains 2kgfm of torque, it is still 8kgfm behind the Lexus. It needed the torque because it was getting beasted down the straights. The Lexus actually takes corners better with less BHP, and the rx7 reduced weight means that too takes corners better. Any advantage gained in corners by the torque gain is minimal

Preamble: I use the term "we" a few times in this rant/dissertation, and I am referring to mainly JoetruckV8 and Alefin who put this series together. They reached out to a few of the fellow racers, including myself, for some specs help. In the end, the decision is theres, even to completely ignore this entire post.


It may only gain that much peak torque, but in doing the engine upgrade and limiting it, you get the perfectly flat power curve. The garaiya has 374 hp throughout the entire usable range now, and that's what gives it the more straightline speed. And the extra 200 RPM. The garaiya gets up to over 500hp, so you're limiting it by over 20%, whereas most of the other cars peak at ~430hp and are only limited about 10% or less. This gives them a more natural power curve and limits their usable range of RPMs. This is why tuned and limited cars are faster than stock, even at the same peak hp/tq.

All I'm saying is that the garaiya is already one of the fastest cars, probably now the fastest since the lexus has been nerfed a little bit, so why give it more of an advantage? It may not be the quickest in a straightline (it's not the slowest either), but it can take corners ~3-5mph faster than any of the other cars, which makes up for it. It shouldn't be able to compete with the lexus in the straight, because the lexus cant compete with it in the corners. The garaiya, unless run at 110% ability, should be a midpack car at fuji, but crush the competition at places like Nurb GP, Laguna Seca, Monaco, and other technical tracks. It DOES NOT need the speed boost.

The Dunlop subie is a very similar car to the garaiya in all respects other than chassis, body, power layout, and drivetrain. Okay, so they're not very similar, but what I was trying to get at is that they handle very similarly. The Subie corners like a dream, and is almost as quick as the garaiya through most. With it's stability, it can become a beast. However, it is SO SLOW down the straight that it loses all the time it gained in the corners and then some. That's why it needs to be at 100% power. Honestly, this will probably only change maybe 500 RPM of the power curve, so it most likely won't make much of a difference, but it will help a little bit. Take some aero off the rear of the car, and it may be able to JUST be the slowest in the speed trap.

The RX-7 , sure take 10kg off, I don't really care. It makes little difference, maybe a tenth of a second per lap, which can be overcome by driver error. Not a deal breaker.

Anyways, I'm tired. It seems like everyone is trying to get an advantage out of their cars, or comparing them on just one track. We now have two tracks in the season to compare. Setting up regs for one track, one race is easy, but for an entire season, that's difficult. We're taking the data we got last week along with other relative ideas that have been floating around and compiling them into a revision of the regs. We will then see how it goes for this week, while still taking into account last weeks lineup. The goal is that there is not one standout car through the entire season, but instead certain cars that show their strengths on different tracks. If that means one week your car is slower by .3 sec, deal with it. Maybe next week it will demolish the field by .3 sec. We have to understand the cars that are faster in a straight line will tend to be quicker on the more open tracks like Fuji and Monza, and the more corner adept cars will suffer. The opposite occurs too, so we won't have to worry in the long run.

A couple cars needed tweaks last week to be competitive in the grand scheme of things, that was all we wanted to accomplish.

Good night, I'm beat.
 
That was a compelling statement you put together there Veloci, here here buddy. Nice 1! 👍
Now I more understand why Wardez had such great corner speed, not taking anything away from his natural great driving abilities, but I did notice 3-5mph difference especially that tight turn 1.
 
VELOCI_2NR
Preamble: I use the term "we" a few times in this rant/dissertation, and I am referring to mainly JoetruckV8 and Alefin who put this series together. They reached out to a few of the fellow racers, including myself, for some specs help. In the end, the decision is theres, even to completely ignore this entire post.

It may only gain that much peak torque, but in doing the engine upgrade and limiting it, you get the perfectly flat power curve. The garaiya has 374 hp throughout the entire usable range now, and that's what gives it the more straightline speed. And the extra 200 RPM. The garaiya gets up to over 500hp, so you're limiting it by over 20%, whereas most of the other cars peak at ~430hp and are only limited about 10% or less. This gives them a more natural power curve and limits their usable range of RPMs. This is why tuned and limited cars are faster than stock, even at the same peak hp/tq.

All I'm saying is that the garaiya is already one of the fastest cars, probably now the fastest since the lexus has been nerfed a little bit, so why give it more of an advantage? It may not be the quickest in a straightline (it's not the slowest either), but it can take corners ~3-5mph faster than any of the other cars, which makes up for it. It shouldn't be able to compete with the lexus in the straight, because the lexus cant compete with it in the corners. The garaiya, unless run at 110% ability, should be a midpack car at fuji, but crush the competition at places like Nurb GP, Laguna Seca, Monaco, and other technical tracks. It DOES NOT need the speed boost.

The Dunlop subie is a very similar car to the garaiya in all respects other than chassis, body, power layout, and drivetrain. Okay, so they're not very similar, but what I was trying to get at is that they handle very similarly. The Subie corners like a dream, and is almost as quick as the garaiya through most. With it's stability, it can become a beast. However, it is SO SLOW down the straight that it loses all the time it gained in the corners and then some. That's why it needs to be at 100% power. Honestly, this will probably only change maybe 500 RPM of the power curve, so it most likely won't make much of a difference, but it will help a little bit. Take some aero off the rear of the car, and it may be able to JUST be the slowest in the speed trap.

The RX-7 , sure take 10kg off, I don't really care. It makes little difference, maybe a tenth of a second per lap, which can be overcome by driver error. Not a deal breaker.

Anyways, I'm tired. It seems like everyone is trying to get an advantage out of their cars, or comparing them on just one track. We now have two tracks in the season to compare. Setting up regs for one track, one race is easy, but for an entire season, that's difficult. We're taking the data we got last week along with other relative ideas that have been floating around and compiling them into a revision of the regs. We will then see how it goes for this week, while still taking into account last weeks lineup. The goal is that there is not one standout car through the entire season, but instead certain cars that show their strengths on different tracks. If that means one week your car is slower by .3 sec, deal with it. Maybe next week it will demolish the field by .3 sec. We have to understand the cars that are faster in a straight line will tend to be quicker on the more open tracks like Fuji and Monza, and the more corner adept cars will suffer. The opposite occurs too, so we won't have to worry in the long run.

A couple cars needed tweaks last week to be competitive in the grand scheme of things, that was all we wanted to accomplish.

Good night, I'm beat.

I was only making suggestions as how I believed the cars could be balanced. I'm not saying I know everything, or that I'm right, I was just suggesting what could be done.

I never forced anyone to make the changes, just suggested it to them. And if they don't work and create a standout car I'm happy if the regs go back as to how they were.

I'm sorry for any offence caused by suggesting the regulation changes, and I'll leave all further regulation changes to yourself and others.
 
Seems we'll never get the cars quite sorted :/
I did observe the Garaiya is faster in high speed bends, plus it's traction is at least as good as the Lexus, perhaps better versus my Lexus while I ran behind it.

As for Subarus, I dunno never tried them. Don't need awd at this power level so I just ignored them. :p

So why not we leave have the P Subaru unrestricted for a week and test that see what we all think, and plus the S Subaru a few hp?

We can always have a test round with the proposed changes if you guys are okay with it.
 
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the subaru is very even to the lexus and celica at Tokyo, the standard version which I'm sticking with needs that extra 5BHP to get full use of its torque, it would still be down on straight line speed but having the added torque would give it a better chance at drafting, but I understand the Lexus spec's have been changed so I'm happy with it for now,
 
Wonder if I can make good time here, infield hard without abs.
By the way Ive cleared my inbox Zach.
 
I had more to read here than my Monday morning emails.

Just for grins I tried out the Gariya last night. She's a loose beast! If it can be tammed that car is deff quick.
 
Race was ok but there was hell of a confusion at the start and it just went on.
I asked where I Q´d and no answer. In addition the start itself was screwed (big gaps etc.).
After that the Race was pretty good, had a nice battle with JoeTruck but left him behind.
Tried to close to Seth but he maintained the gap. Tyler came to our battle to make it a three game.
Till lap 23 all was fine but than Tyler hammered me in the wall at T1 exit. Raced on but due to late Time my focus wasn´t there.

=> I would love to race with you but I underestimated the Time. Just too late for me.
Start is 1 am at Sunday for me.
=> I have to leave the Series.
 
Sorry dude, I'm pretty sure I had my racing line through there. I don't think you had pit yet and I was catching you at more than a second a lap. I'm not going into it fully but there were other incidents prior to that pass which made me a bit more aggressive.

Either way if I hadn't of done this on lap 6...(post my clean pass of Seth on lap 5 T1) I would have been catching Phil up.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SGTurrtmDTk

I vow to be very very careful come Fuji
 
Well I pitted and yes you caught up on me due to me racing at Sunday mornings (which I said).
And NO you didn´t had the Racingline on me due to you ramming my rear axle and pushing me into the outside wall.
Well I leave this series anyway, but I just want to state that this passing was just plainly poor.
And prior issues shouldn´t be an excuse for doing something like this !!!!
 
KingSakery
Well I pitted and yes you caught up on me due to me racing at Sunday mornings (which I said).
And NO you didn´t had the Racingline on me due to you ramming my rear axle and pushing me into the outside wall.
Well I leave this series anyway, but I just want to state that this passing was just plainly poor.
And prior issues shouldn´t be an excuse for doing something like this !!!!

Taking this to PM... sorry your leaving the series.
 
Here we go again. :lol: See you around the forums Sakery. 👍
Could I qualify tomorrow? Usual time about 9pm GMT+8. :)
 
phil bell
Here we go again. :lol: See you around the forums Sakery. 👍
Could I qualify tomorrow? Usual time about 9pm GMT+8. :)

Sorry if I've messed up ya'lls ju ju.
 
Sorry to hear you can't make the time. I hope you enjoyed the experience, Sakery :)

The starts is still something that needs to be ironed out. This is where having no mics really blows. It's hard to be in the race and spend time typing out that people can start the pace, or tell pole to slow down because people behind are lagging behind.

As indicated in OP, everyone has to line up in order before any kind of pace can be started. No driving should be started until everyone is lined up. The replay on Room A looked kind of funky there.

Please ask questions if you guys don't understand what I'm trying to do :)
 
I don't know what happened to the people behind me (i was 4th) at the start but the pace was slow all the way up to the carousel. If people can't keep up then they only have themselves to blame really.

The race starts, you follow close to the guy in front waiting for them to bolt. Simple.

Edit - I might of missed it but is the ballast being added for Q?
 
BAZZER
I don't know what happened to the people behind me (i was 4th) at the start but the pace was slow all the way up to the carousel. If people can't keep up then they only have themselves to blame really.

The race starts, you follow close to the guy in front waiting for them to bolt. Simple.

Edit - I might of missed it but is the ballast being added for Q?

I had no idea what was going on, but when I heard a sudden burst of RPMs I nailed it to the floor.

Can we choose one moderator to be race control and everyone else would just have their mic's muted.
 
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