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There are a few engine swaps available but I want to know what ones you have done to your. So far I have put a Lexus LFA engine in my Toyota Supra.
What engine swaps are available?
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SR20 in s14 and V10 supra : D
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So far I have only chucked the RB246DETT into the S15.
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Since I had some cash to burn and I found out I could resell all the cars and parts for the same money, I decided to try a bunch out and report my findings. All cars tested on Laguna Seca with a Logitech G27. Upgrades to all cars were the engine swap, all stage 3 drivetrain components, stage 3 brakes, stage 3 weight reduction, and stage 3 tires unless otherwise noted.
Audi S3 with R8 4.2L V8:
Seriously? I want to know just who in their right mind looks at an Audi S3 and says, "That's a neat looking little hatchback. Let's put a V8 in it!" Whoever you are (I'm going to refer to him as Mr. Psychopath from here on), you need to have your head examined because this car is in that grey area between genius and pure insanity! If you drop the clutch at 8000rpm in 1st gear it looks like the car actually picks up the front tires! The handling is pretty good, if you manage to go into a powerslide in this car where the wheel goes limp, just floor it and it instantly regains traction. A V8-powered S3 will easily embarrass a similarly modified 3 rotor Miata. This car would be at home on Tokyo Dockside.
Audi TT with R8 4.2L V8:
I figured the TT would be virtually the same as the S3, so I decided to go all-out stage 3 on all of the power upgrades, weight reduction, drivetrain components, brakes, and tires. I have just one the to say: Dear Mr. Psychopath that designed this car in the game, was 833hp and 0-100 in 2.8 seconds really necessary?
Audi RS4 with R8 LMS V10:
The 547hp counts for something, but the 3339lbs with stage 3 weight reduction really hurts its handling. Not as tiger blood ridiculous as the V8 S3, but fast in its own right. With heavy understeer and balls-to-the-wall power, keep this one on more wide open circuits or else.
BMW 135i with M3 E92 V8:
Well-balanced, that is what sums up this car best. No glaring flaws, it wasn't trying to kill me like the Audis. Everything just worked very well together and was so easily controlled I sometimes forgot it had that V8 in it. Oh, and it makes a great noise!
BMW M3 E30 with M6 V10:
Mr. Psychopath put his mark on this car. It doesn't have the total savagery of the V8 S3, it's much more poised and controlled. It has that perfect hint of oversteer on the corner exits, but the power just somehow doesn't feel as outrageous as the V8 Audis. Brakes were capable of controlling the power better than I expected. Although I did beat the V8 S3's lap time by over 4 seconds and ran just as fast as the V10 RS4!
BMW M3 E36 with M6 V10:
Not as fast around the track as the E30, but the chassis felt more planted. It didn't have the hint of oversteer, instead it felt totally stuck to the track unless I did something wrong.
BMW Z4 M Coupe with M6 V10:
It felt a much like the others. Planted, well-balanced power, and good brakes. Went around the track almost 2 seconds faster than the E30, but didn't feel like it. It felt like it had more understeer, but still had that hint of oversteer. It may be a bit faster, but the E30 was still my favorite.
Chevy Camaro SS with Corvette Z06R GT3 V8:
The gearing is nice and wide to handle the enormous power and torque. The sight of a 550hp American V8 had me cringing at the thought of the tail-out smoking I was about to do. And I did none of it. It was more planted than the Z4 on corner exits and ran the same lap time of 1:38, but at almost 3400lbs I was fighting the weight a lot more at the corner entries. It's not as nimble as the Z4, but on an open track with sweeping corners it is very planted and the power is just awesome.
'67 Corvette Stingray with Corvette Z06 V8:
It weighs 2700lbs and makes over 500hp, saying it's fast in a straight line is an understatement. The surprising thing was how well it handled the power. I was able to hit the same time as the Camaro SS with the same upgrades. The lighter weight makes a huge difference in the personality of the car, though. It's much more nimble at the corner entry, but you can't accelerate as hard coming out.
Dodge Challenger Concept with Viper V10:
You knew this was coming, the Challenger SRT10. This is exactly what I thought the Camaro was going to be. Front end feels heavy and has bad understeer into the corners, rear feels light and gets loose coming out of the corners, the brakes are made of chewing gum, and the whole time my hands were sweating. It's not as fast or controllable as the Camaro and annoyed for the entire time I drove it.
Dodge Challenger R/T with Viper V10:
Something about this was so much more enjoyable than the new Challenger. Maybe it was the novelty of a crazy huge V10 in an original muscle car. Maybe it's that I once read a magazine article about a guy who actually did this swap. Maybe it's that I didn't even bother trying to go for a lap time and just burned the tires like a construction worker with a pack of Marlboros. Whatever it was, this instantly became my new favorite drift car.
Dodge Charger R/T with Viper V10:
Same as the Challenger R/T just longer and requires more to get it to turn in. About the only use for either of the V10 Dodge muscle cars would be for drifting, and the Challenger is better suited for that simply because of the shorter wheelbase.
Ford Escort Cosworth with Focus RS I5:
Let me start y saying this is one of my favorite cars ever made, and this proves why. It grips like a madman, period. It also managed to squeeze out a 1:42 lap time. OK, 4 seconds behind the Camaro and Z4 isn't very impressive you say. Consider that almost every other car on this list has been pushing over 900 performance points, some getting up into the 1100s. The Escort Cossie sits at a scant 620 points with the same upgrades.
Honda Civic Si with NSX V6:
Good handling for a FWD car, but even with 698 performance points it was 6 seconds behind the Escort.
Honda S2000 with NSX V6:
If you've ever read a comparison of the S2000 and the 350Z, you will know that the S2000 gets top marks for its chassis but loses points for it small, peaky, high-revving engine in the real world. The 350Z usually wins overall because its big V6 has much more accessible power. Meet a perfect world. The car wasn't the fastest one around the track, but everything was spot-on. There was not one fault with the car. It was pure driving heaven, a perfect chassis with accessible power in a lightweight package. No oversteer, no understeer, just mountains of grip and well-balanced power. Everyone who owns this game should drive this car at least once just to see how good a car can truly be.
Lexus IS-F with LF-A V10:
It also hit a 1:38 around the track. You can definitely feel the 3470lb weight to it and it handles much like the V10 RS4, but without the Audi's AWD it can get a little loose on the corner exits.
Mazda RX-7 FC wit 3 rotor:
You're never fighting with the car, it goes exactly where you want it to when you tell it to. It's got all of the handling of the RX-8 with none of the tail-out sideways nonsense. If you're new to racing games or you just want to work on perfecting your line, this is the car to do it in.
Mazda RX-8 with 3 rotor:
Didn't do much for me, the car was just so tail happy that by the time I was able to dial the corner exit oversteer out the car had lost much of its turn-in maneuverability, even without any other power upgrades. Would make one hellacious drift car, though.
Mazda MX-5 with 3 rotor:
Dear god that thing is ADDICTIVE! It feels like a soda can with an afterburner. The power upgrades beyond the engine swap were the stage 3 turbo kit and stage 3 cams. Even with just the stage 2 tires it rode like it was on rails. I expected it to be more tail-happy than the RX-8 because of its smaller wheelbase but it was the quite the opposite, even with the enormous amount of power and a few hundred pounds stripped out it stuck to the road like glue. My only complaint with it would be even the stage 3 brakes just don't feel powerful enough to stop the car (even with the pressure turned up to the max), maybe the weight reduction would help but I wouldn't add too much more power. Either way, I love this little thing!👍
Nissan S13 with S15 SR20:
More understeer than I was expecting for a car this light, but plenty of sideways action. Good drifter, but don't expect to win many races with it.
Nissan 350Z with GT-R GT1 V8:
Mr. Psychopath was at it again with this car. The engine is just too much for the chassis. It understeers and oversteers like mad, it was a total fight with the car the entire way and this is not for the timid or the amateur. However, in the hands of a capable pilot this car is blindingly fast. I managed to hit a low 1:37 in this thing, over a second faster than the Z4 and Camaro.
Porsche Cayman S with 911 GT2 flat-6:
First go and watch Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear review of the 911 GT2. Now imagine tossing that motor out of a car that weighs 3100lbs and into a car that 2711lbs, I was pretty much making the same face and noise the entire time. The limits on this car are astronomical. I was railing the corners and couldn't get it to lose grip. The brakes were astonishingly good. I managed a 1:34, a full 3 seconds faster than the V8 350Z, and I still don't think I've tapped the full potential of this car! Are you listening, Porsche? Mr. Psychopath was onto something big here! You need to build this car!
Shelby Cobra with GT500 5.4L V8:
Let's take a fiberglass car and put a huge American V8 in it, the brilliant idea of Mr. Shelby. Let's take a fiberglass car with suspension and brakes from the '60s and put a huge supercharged American V8 in it, the idea of Mr. Psychopath. It weighs 2100lbs, makes 500hp, and has a tiny wheelbase. It managed a 1:35 lap going sideways more than straight.
Toyota Supra with LF-A V10:
This car hit a very fast 1:37 lap time, but there are 2 major issues that are wrong with it. The first is horrendous understeer, even on a wide track like Laguna Seca. The second is that the redline on the V10 is 9000rpm, but the Supra's tach only goes up to 8000rpm, so for 1000rpm you're going on ear and shift light. This car doesn't inspire much confidence.
Toyota AE86 with Supra 2JZ:
If you want bang for your buck, both cash and performance points wise, this is the car to motor swap. It hit a 1:39 lap and it's only 720 performance points. All for under $37,000! 319hp is a good bit, but when your car weighs 1798lbs it's like being fired from a catapult every time you hit the gas! Mr. Psychopath, Iwould like to thank you for the development of this wonderfully fast little crapbox. If Satan came to earth and wanted to burn the streets, it would likely be in a 2JZ-powered AE86.
VW MK1 GTI with MKV GTI motor:
I went ahead and did all stage 3 power upgrades as well as the rest of the usual stuff because the MKV motor doesn't have much power. I didn't like it. It handled excellently, but would be more suited to a smaller tight track. The only problem is that there was excessive wheelspin on corner exits even with LSD adjustments and every time I hit the gas it was on the redline. I maxed out the gears for speed, but still the gears were just far too short for the amount of power in that car.
Audi S3 with R8 4.2L V8:
Seriously? I want to know just who in their right mind looks at an Audi S3 and says, "That's a neat looking little hatchback. Let's put a V8 in it!" Whoever you are (I'm going to refer to him as Mr. Psychopath from here on), you need to have your head examined because this car is in that grey area between genius and pure insanity! If you drop the clutch at 8000rpm in 1st gear it looks like the car actually picks up the front tires! The handling is pretty good, if you manage to go into a powerslide in this car where the wheel goes limp, just floor it and it instantly regains traction. A V8-powered S3 will easily embarrass a similarly modified 3 rotor Miata. This car would be at home on Tokyo Dockside.
Audi TT with R8 4.2L V8:
I figured the TT would be virtually the same as the S3, so I decided to go all-out stage 3 on all of the power upgrades, weight reduction, drivetrain components, brakes, and tires. I have just one the to say: Dear Mr. Psychopath that designed this car in the game, was 833hp and 0-100 in 2.8 seconds really necessary?
Audi RS4 with R8 LMS V10:
The 547hp counts for something, but the 3339lbs with stage 3 weight reduction really hurts its handling. Not as tiger blood ridiculous as the V8 S3, but fast in its own right. With heavy understeer and balls-to-the-wall power, keep this one on more wide open circuits or else.
BMW 135i with M3 E92 V8:
Well-balanced, that is what sums up this car best. No glaring flaws, it wasn't trying to kill me like the Audis. Everything just worked very well together and was so easily controlled I sometimes forgot it had that V8 in it. Oh, and it makes a great noise!
BMW M3 E30 with M6 V10:
Mr. Psychopath put his mark on this car. It doesn't have the total savagery of the V8 S3, it's much more poised and controlled. It has that perfect hint of oversteer on the corner exits, but the power just somehow doesn't feel as outrageous as the V8 Audis. Brakes were capable of controlling the power better than I expected. Although I did beat the V8 S3's lap time by over 4 seconds and ran just as fast as the V10 RS4!
BMW M3 E36 with M6 V10:
Not as fast around the track as the E30, but the chassis felt more planted. It didn't have the hint of oversteer, instead it felt totally stuck to the track unless I did something wrong.
BMW Z4 M Coupe with M6 V10:
It felt a much like the others. Planted, well-balanced power, and good brakes. Went around the track almost 2 seconds faster than the E30, but didn't feel like it. It felt like it had more understeer, but still had that hint of oversteer. It may be a bit faster, but the E30 was still my favorite.
Chevy Camaro SS with Corvette Z06R GT3 V8:
The gearing is nice and wide to handle the enormous power and torque. The sight of a 550hp American V8 had me cringing at the thought of the tail-out smoking I was about to do. And I did none of it. It was more planted than the Z4 on corner exits and ran the same lap time of 1:38, but at almost 3400lbs I was fighting the weight a lot more at the corner entries. It's not as nimble as the Z4, but on an open track with sweeping corners it is very planted and the power is just awesome.
'67 Corvette Stingray with Corvette Z06 V8:
It weighs 2700lbs and makes over 500hp, saying it's fast in a straight line is an understatement. The surprising thing was how well it handled the power. I was able to hit the same time as the Camaro SS with the same upgrades. The lighter weight makes a huge difference in the personality of the car, though. It's much more nimble at the corner entry, but you can't accelerate as hard coming out.
Dodge Challenger Concept with Viper V10:
You knew this was coming, the Challenger SRT10. This is exactly what I thought the Camaro was going to be. Front end feels heavy and has bad understeer into the corners, rear feels light and gets loose coming out of the corners, the brakes are made of chewing gum, and the whole time my hands were sweating. It's not as fast or controllable as the Camaro and annoyed for the entire time I drove it.
Dodge Challenger R/T with Viper V10:
Something about this was so much more enjoyable than the new Challenger. Maybe it was the novelty of a crazy huge V10 in an original muscle car. Maybe it's that I once read a magazine article about a guy who actually did this swap. Maybe it's that I didn't even bother trying to go for a lap time and just burned the tires like a construction worker with a pack of Marlboros. Whatever it was, this instantly became my new favorite drift car.
Dodge Charger R/T with Viper V10:
Same as the Challenger R/T just longer and requires more to get it to turn in. About the only use for either of the V10 Dodge muscle cars would be for drifting, and the Challenger is better suited for that simply because of the shorter wheelbase.
Ford Escort Cosworth with Focus RS I5:
Let me start y saying this is one of my favorite cars ever made, and this proves why. It grips like a madman, period. It also managed to squeeze out a 1:42 lap time. OK, 4 seconds behind the Camaro and Z4 isn't very impressive you say. Consider that almost every other car on this list has been pushing over 900 performance points, some getting up into the 1100s. The Escort Cossie sits at a scant 620 points with the same upgrades.
Honda Civic Si with NSX V6:
Good handling for a FWD car, but even with 698 performance points it was 6 seconds behind the Escort.
Honda S2000 with NSX V6:
If you've ever read a comparison of the S2000 and the 350Z, you will know that the S2000 gets top marks for its chassis but loses points for it small, peaky, high-revving engine in the real world. The 350Z usually wins overall because its big V6 has much more accessible power. Meet a perfect world. The car wasn't the fastest one around the track, but everything was spot-on. There was not one fault with the car. It was pure driving heaven, a perfect chassis with accessible power in a lightweight package. No oversteer, no understeer, just mountains of grip and well-balanced power. Everyone who owns this game should drive this car at least once just to see how good a car can truly be.
Lexus IS-F with LF-A V10:
It also hit a 1:38 around the track. You can definitely feel the 3470lb weight to it and it handles much like the V10 RS4, but without the Audi's AWD it can get a little loose on the corner exits.
Mazda RX-7 FC wit 3 rotor:
You're never fighting with the car, it goes exactly where you want it to when you tell it to. It's got all of the handling of the RX-8 with none of the tail-out sideways nonsense. If you're new to racing games or you just want to work on perfecting your line, this is the car to do it in.
Mazda RX-8 with 3 rotor:
Didn't do much for me, the car was just so tail happy that by the time I was able to dial the corner exit oversteer out the car had lost much of its turn-in maneuverability, even without any other power upgrades. Would make one hellacious drift car, though.
Mazda MX-5 with 3 rotor:
Dear god that thing is ADDICTIVE! It feels like a soda can with an afterburner. The power upgrades beyond the engine swap were the stage 3 turbo kit and stage 3 cams. Even with just the stage 2 tires it rode like it was on rails. I expected it to be more tail-happy than the RX-8 because of its smaller wheelbase but it was the quite the opposite, even with the enormous amount of power and a few hundred pounds stripped out it stuck to the road like glue. My only complaint with it would be even the stage 3 brakes just don't feel powerful enough to stop the car (even with the pressure turned up to the max), maybe the weight reduction would help but I wouldn't add too much more power. Either way, I love this little thing!👍
Nissan S13 with S15 SR20:
More understeer than I was expecting for a car this light, but plenty of sideways action. Good drifter, but don't expect to win many races with it.
Nissan 350Z with GT-R GT1 V8:
Mr. Psychopath was at it again with this car. The engine is just too much for the chassis. It understeers and oversteers like mad, it was a total fight with the car the entire way and this is not for the timid or the amateur. However, in the hands of a capable pilot this car is blindingly fast. I managed to hit a low 1:37 in this thing, over a second faster than the Z4 and Camaro.
Porsche Cayman S with 911 GT2 flat-6:
First go and watch Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear review of the 911 GT2. Now imagine tossing that motor out of a car that weighs 3100lbs and into a car that 2711lbs, I was pretty much making the same face and noise the entire time. The limits on this car are astronomical. I was railing the corners and couldn't get it to lose grip. The brakes were astonishingly good. I managed a 1:34, a full 3 seconds faster than the V8 350Z, and I still don't think I've tapped the full potential of this car! Are you listening, Porsche? Mr. Psychopath was onto something big here! You need to build this car!
Shelby Cobra with GT500 5.4L V8:
Let's take a fiberglass car and put a huge American V8 in it, the brilliant idea of Mr. Shelby. Let's take a fiberglass car with suspension and brakes from the '60s and put a huge supercharged American V8 in it, the idea of Mr. Psychopath. It weighs 2100lbs, makes 500hp, and has a tiny wheelbase. It managed a 1:35 lap going sideways more than straight.
Toyota Supra with LF-A V10:
This car hit a very fast 1:37 lap time, but there are 2 major issues that are wrong with it. The first is horrendous understeer, even on a wide track like Laguna Seca. The second is that the redline on the V10 is 9000rpm, but the Supra's tach only goes up to 8000rpm, so for 1000rpm you're going on ear and shift light. This car doesn't inspire much confidence.
Toyota AE86 with Supra 2JZ:
If you want bang for your buck, both cash and performance points wise, this is the car to motor swap. It hit a 1:39 lap and it's only 720 performance points. All for under $37,000! 319hp is a good bit, but when your car weighs 1798lbs it's like being fired from a catapult every time you hit the gas! Mr. Psychopath, Iwould like to thank you for the development of this wonderfully fast little crapbox. If Satan came to earth and wanted to burn the streets, it would likely be in a 2JZ-powered AE86.
VW MK1 GTI with MKV GTI motor:
I went ahead and did all stage 3 power upgrades as well as the rest of the usual stuff because the MKV motor doesn't have much power. I didn't like it. It handled excellently, but would be more suited to a smaller tight track. The only problem is that there was excessive wheelspin on corner exits even with LSD adjustments and every time I hit the gas it was on the redline. I maxed out the gears for speed, but still the gears were just far too short for the amount of power in that car.
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yep I have the S2000 with the NSX motor (fully built) and I LOVE it, with some tuning the thing is a beast
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It sounds like a similar problem for the Works Giulietta, in response to the MK1 Golf. It just wants to spin its wheels like crazy! Before I had the Works Upgrade, it rode perfectly but once u get too much power on those front slick tires... You are doomed! Don't steer at all and you wil still get wheelspin, even on 3rd gear!!! 
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I was pretty disappointed when I learned that I couldn't swap a V12 into the V8 Vantage. I wonder why that was left out.
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Of the engine swaps, there are my favorites.
Audi S3 with R8 V8, best suited for tight tracks. Traction comes in boatloads and even if you lose all grip you can plant the accelerator and it just hooks again.
BMW E30 with M6 V10, it just feels exactly like a racecar should. It does everything well and is easy to control, but still can get the rear sideways for fun. A total animal on the GP circuits.
Challenger R/T with Viper V10, it drifts. Period.
Honda S2000 with NSX V6, it's just perfect. I can't accurately describe this car because it does nothing wrong or any one thing better than another. It could be the best driving car in the game.
Porsche Cayman S with GT2 flat-6, pure insanity. It has more performance than I have talent.
Toyota AE86 with Supra 2JZ, the car of the apocalypse! The performance is not of this world for a barely-class-C car. This car is definitely a jack of all trades, it handles all of the circuits quite well and goes like the speed of light compared to the others in its class.
Audi S3 with R8 V8, best suited for tight tracks. Traction comes in boatloads and even if you lose all grip you can plant the accelerator and it just hooks again.
BMW E30 with M6 V10, it just feels exactly like a racecar should. It does everything well and is easy to control, but still can get the rear sideways for fun. A total animal on the GP circuits.
Challenger R/T with Viper V10, it drifts. Period.
Honda S2000 with NSX V6, it's just perfect. I can't accurately describe this car because it does nothing wrong or any one thing better than another. It could be the best driving car in the game.
Porsche Cayman S with GT2 flat-6, pure insanity. It has more performance than I have talent.
Toyota AE86 with Supra 2JZ, the car of the apocalypse! The performance is not of this world for a barely-class-C car. This car is definitely a jack of all trades, it handles all of the circuits quite well and goes like the speed of light compared to the others in its class.
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If I was to do it again, i would have definitely not works converted. The M6 powered E30. It's just too much power. The thing is undriveable. A sixth gear launch still makes a 0-100 time comparable to a standard car. If you can control the wheel spin once the power comes in. Sorry about the typing on an iPhone on a bus
or an engine swap for the golf mk5 with bentley W12 (also volkswagen!) 
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Thank you Enzo_Guy,
I tried the Toyota AE86 in the Retro Races and it killed the competition.
Also liked the RX7 with the engine swap; was awesome as well.
Will try the Cayman S and S2000 tomorrow night.
I tried the Toyota AE86 in the Retro Races and it killed the competition.
Also liked the RX7 with the engine swap; was awesome as well.
Will try the Cayman S and S2000 tomorrow night.
(...) ( or an engine swap for the golf mk5 with bentley W12 (also volkswagen!)
Because the engine would have to sit in the back with all the necessary body work, you need Gallardo rearl axle and brakes and Audi R8 rear subframe conversion for it and still the car literally would drive like ****....more a new car than "just" an engine swap
I'm sure you watch Top Gear, don't you?
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