◆ SNAIL [DriveTrain Challenge - DTC] Racing - Closed

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JoeW
Look forward to having you Tuesday.

I'll do a quick summary...

Each car in your lineup this Tuesday needs to have a PP between 472 and 522. The total of all four cars cannot exceed 1990pp (this total changes from week to week though). So choose a FF car, 4wd car, FR car and a MR/RR car (we combine these two into one category). All cars will run SS tires this week.

All races are run in Endurance mode at a 15 minute time limit.

The first race will run at a pre-determined track (Rome is this week's choice). We do a short qualifying session (usually 6-7 minutes) to set the grid. Then run the first race. You can choose any car from your lineup to run this race.

The winner of the first race gets to select a track from Group A, B or C (located on the first post of this thread) for race 2. The next 3 races are run in Reverse Grid. The car you selected for Race 1 is no longer usable by you. You must now choose from your remaining 3 cars in the lineup for Race 2.

The winner of Race 2 now chooses a track for Race 3. He cannot choose from the previously used track Groups.

Race 3 is run the same way as Race 2. You only have two cars left to use from your lineup.

Race 4 is chosen from the last track group not already used. You should only have one car left in your lineup to run. If this happens to be your Prius TC at High Speed Ring...then you are screwed ;)

Whoever has the high points for the night chooses the total PP for the next week. Whoever has 2nd place chooses the starting track for the next week (this can be any road track except Nurb Nord since running a qualifier there is ridiculous).

It's really simple if explained verbally but it looks ridiculously complicated when typed and read.
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Thanks Joe, that's pretty much what I figured, the Thursday night stuff confused me a little.

I take it that the line ups are locked in prior to Tuesday night? So in your race 4 example above, you couldn't theoretically have 5 FF cars of the same PP ready to roll right?
 
You can be mid race night and change cars as long as the rules are still met.

Many of us will have a couple of backup combos (actually discussed a page or two ago) in case the track choices take a turn you were not expecting :)

Last Tuesday I had 3 different FR cars at 465-469pp in my garage I could have used depending on the track we went to. So having options is sometimes a good thing.
 
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JoeW
You can be mid race night and change cars as long as the rules are still met.

Many of us will have a couple of backup combos (actually discussed a page or two ago) in case the track choices take a turn you were not expecting :)

Last Tuesday I had 3 different FR cars at 465-469pp in my garage I could have used depending on the track we went to. So having options is sometimes a good thing.
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I think that is BS. Pick your lineup before the race. Post it and stick with it.
 
Aw don't be a fuddy duddy. It's not in the rules and it's not like there are a ton of options at a particular PP for a specific drivetrain. 2-3 cars at best and they aren't usually very different.

Don't be a sore winner again :)
 
OK, so test lineup:
FF- Integra type r touring car - 484
FR - GIULIA TZ2 carrrrozzzzata da blah blah - 494
MR - Esprit sport 350 - 500
Pikes peak quattro - 511
Total - 1989

Amidoinitright?
 
Just make sure you use the oil changed PP figures. We have a master list which is mostly accurate that we use for our calculations that is linked on the first page.

You will now embark on a journey of discovery where you discover that cool cars are not necessarily fast :)
 
Yeah those are all post change.

I'm well aware cool cars aren't always fast ;) I want to pick based on stuff I normally wouldn't race and force myself to really get the most out of them to be competitive, plus I think this series can help fill the gaping hole in my life due to the lack of online shuffle racing :)
 
Who's racing tonight?

@fizzer
You are more than welcome to throw something together. I'm almost home.

Edit: Room up.

Dan - CZ-3 Tarmac Rally +1
Kgffy - Escort Rally
Tez - Evolution IV
Ken - Evolution IV
Koszak - Impreza Rally '99

Kgffy - Castrol Mugen NSX '00
Ken - Denso Sard Supra '01
Tez - Castrol Tom's Supra '01
Dan - Raybrig NSX '06
Koszak - Castrol Tom's Supra '01

Kgffy - Elise 111R
Ken - VX220 Turbo
Tez - VX220 Turbo
Dan - Elise '00
Koszak - Opel Speedster

Ken - FT-86 Concept '09
Tez - FT-86 Concept '09
Koszak - Solstice Coupe Concept '02
Kgffy - MX-5 Crossport '05
 
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fizzer
Yeah those are all post change.

I'm well aware cool cars aren't always fast ;) I want to pick based on stuff I normally wouldn't race and force myself to really get the most out of them to be
competitive, plus I think this series can help fill the gaping hole in my
life due to the lack of online shuffle racing :)
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Finally someone who thinks like us :)
 
kendawg
I bet he doesn't change his lineup in middle of the race. Yea come on.:D
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Don't hate me because I sometimes have a contingency plan :cheers:

If I have the forethought to have one or two cars ready to go in case the track choices get weird then what's the big deal? It's not like there are ten different cars to choose from when the track is chosen and I need to pick my MR car at 460pp. It just so happens that there were 3 different FR cars I could have run at 469pp...this is definitely a rare case.

If the car choices are set in stone then what would prevent the race 3 winner from looking at what the current leader has left to drive and choosing a track totally unsuited to that car? That's kinda lame also. So kudos to him if he has another car under his cover just in case someone tries to screw him.

Yea come on!
 
I actually thought the policy was that the cars on the spreadsheet at the start of the race were set in stone lol. So what's our decision, are contingency plans alowable? Do we need to post our different line ups before a race?
 
kendawg
My come on is.
I will now have a couple of lineups ready and they will not be posted.
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Giddyup!

It's not like everyone has been posting them until minutes before the race anyways. Sometimes lineups don't get posted at all.

Personally I don't care either way. I like the mystery...but it's nice for newcomers to see samples just in case.

Not sure why this became a big deal....

We usually plan the first car of our lineup because the track is a known entity. So I'm going to take my NSX to HSR Reverse...no question. That is 475PP down.

Most of the time, the contingency plan shrinks exponentially at this point. My FF car was set in stone with the Trial Celica. My 4WD was pretty set with the RS200. But I had a couple of options in the FR dept at 469pp. So I even though my lineup was posted, I had another car in the wings just in case.

The most complicated contingency plan for me involves something like this:

Original lineup might have a FR-420pp and a MR-440pp. But I might have seen a couple of cars I could switch around and run a MR-420pp and a FR-440pp in case the track choice turned strange. But this decision gets made very quickly. Usually after the first race. I don't think I have ever actually done this but I have had the option. My original posted lineup is always the best choice for me.

I never have a 3 car contingency...just too much planning for nothing. 99 times out of 100 I run my original lineup.

I don't care what the final decision is. It won't really affect my night. I doubt I would have finished any better or worse picking the S2000 R1 over the RX-7 Bathhurst. Sometimes I see 3 people running the same car and I just want to mix it up if possible.

No need to get your panties in a twist ;)
 
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Hey guys quick ?, what do u guys do when a higher pp is chosen for tue. Night like 2100pp, the highest pp for ff is around 480 pp range
 
Thanks to @kendawg, @danfurey, @tezgm99 and @Kgffy for running the Thursday practice night with me.

Kgffy, please pick the qualifying track and a group of cars you would like to run this Thursday. Ken, Dan and Tez, please also pick a group of cars you would like to race.

Test line-up for tomorrow:
FF - Integra DC5 RM '04 484pp
4WD - CZ-3 Tarmac Rally 495pp
FR - Series One Supercharged '03 493pp
MR - Megane Trophy Base '11 518pp

I also wanted to ask everyone's help in finding out which cars are competitive with each other. We have all raced in this series long enough to know which cars have good battles and scanning over historical line-ups shows that many of us own and use the same cars. Some examples would be the Storia/Sirion vs. Element, BRZ/GT-86/FR-S vs. RenaultSport Clio RS, RS200 vs Mugen S2000...

@jobyone,
Can you please update the scoring tabs in the spreadsheet and the 2nd post? I have updated my TotP here. When you have time, can you also post up your totals for the most frequently used vehicles? I have something in mind for a type of shuffle event and this would be very helpful. Thanks.

danfurey
Hey, can we fix the following:
RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX7 '04 = 511 PP with oil change.
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I changed this for you, but noticed someone sorted the Known PP tab. :nervous:

Everyone,
Only make changes to the "Sorted Known PP" tab please. Thanks.


Kgffy
Hey guys quick ?, what do u guys do when a higher pp is chosen for tue. Night like 2100pp, the highest pp for ff is around 480 pp range
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The highest FF car is the VW Scirocco N24 15th Anniversary at 515pp but as Tez said, Joby limits us to around 2000pp. The same issue arises with 4WD cars at low PP numbers, around 350-400pp.
 
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Schmiggz
Too bad kg didn't come a little earlier.... To shut down bloodredsky's big mouth, lol
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I was curious what u meant so I look back at the thread and I would like to say that I never felt like an outsider and this is a great group to race with jst like I said first night racing with y guys , nice this is alot more relaxed then Sunday nights and blood is lucky I did not Join earlier because I would of put him in his place lol
 
Kgffy
I was curious what u meant so I look back at the thread and I would like to say that I never felt like an outsider and this is a great group to race with jst like I said first night racing with y guys , nice this is alot more relaxed then Sunday nights and blood is lucky I did not Join earlier because I would of put him in his place lol
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I'm glad you are enjoying the racing and I saw you won D2 last night so congrats!

I'm sure your recent success in DTC nights contributed. :sly:
 
I'm sorry Joe but in my opinion this back up line ups thing should not be aloud. It should be mandatory for everybody to post the line up and race that line up.
The soul of this competition is exactly that: Those are your cars - here's the track - deal with it.
I strongly suggest that to become a rule asap.
 

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