1080i VERSUS 480p PIX INSIDE!!!!!!!!!

[illegal]

http://musicbrainz.org/showartist.html?artistid=186151

 

[dcarena]

Thanks guys, appreciated.

 

[Majarvis]

Can someone please tell me what equipment you need to support 480p mode over the standard 480i? I have Monster Game component video cables for the PS2, will that allow me to take advantage of 480p?

 

[Buck-O]

Can someone please tell me what equipment you need to support 480p mode over the standard 480i? I have Monster Game component video cables for the PS2, will that allow me to take advantage of 480p?

Well, you have the right cables.

Only Component cables (or relevent cable hacks) will work for progressive scan.

The biggest factor will be your TV. Your TV must support ED (Extended Definition = 480P only), or HD (High Definition = 480P,720P,1080i).

If your TV supports ED, then you can run 480P, if its an HD monitor, you can set it all teh way to 1080i.

But remember, just becuase the TV has component inputs, DOES NOT MEAN it supports progressive scan.



Once again, we have a classic case of "read your manual". Companies put those into the box your TV comes in for a reason. Understanding your hardware is the first step to being able to use it properly.

Had you read your TV's manual, and understood its performance, and capabilities, you could have avoided asking this question altogether.

ANd dont give me the "i dont have a manual i bought a store shelf display model", becuase if your TV is new enough to have component inputs, its new enough to have the manual avliable on-line.

 

[BlackZ28]

This is the TV I bought for GT4! I got it Monday.

$1,854.54 👍
55" Mitsubishi HDTV 480p/1080i 16:9

 

[Slip]

any noticeable loss in framerate?

That's what I'm wondering.

It's a pretty graphics heavy game and that kind of resolution on the now somewhat 'weak' PS2 is bound to have a toll on the framerate.

The average person would just be like, "Wooo clearer graphics."

But a hardcore gamer would be like, "Ehh.. inconsistant frame rate."

Being a PC gamer, I come from the reaches of 80 and 120fps. Even the slightest drop in framerate would be a discouraging factor for me, cuz 60fps is already low enough.

 

[Lapdog]

The PS2 is too different to a PC to compare. It is better at some things and not as good at others. It's not optimised for writing letters.

There is no drop in frame rate. You couldn't tell the difference between 50 frames per second and 60, let alone 120. Such high frame rates have no purpose other than to improve the physics sampling. The image in GT4 is so stable that even 1080i is eye strain free at two feet away in a racing setup (as long as you're not using a television for a monitor, which is not sharp enough and too bright, designed for viewing from afar).

 

[Majarvis]

Well, you have the right cables.

Only Component cables (or relevent cable hacks) will work for progressive scan.

The biggest factor will be your TV. Your TV must support ED (Extended Definition = 480P only), or HD (High Definition = 480P,720P,1080i).

If your TV supports ED, then you can run 480P, if its an HD monitor, you can set it all teh way to 1080i.

But remember, just becuase the TV has component inputs, DOES NOT MEAN it supports progressive scan.



Once again, we have a classic case of "read your manual". Companies put those into the box your TV comes in for a reason. Understanding your hardware is the first step to being able to use it properly.

Had you read your TV's manual, and understood its performance, and capabilities, you could have avoided asking this question altogether.

ANd dont give me the "i dont have a manual i bought a store shelf display model", becuase if your TV is new enough to have component inputs, its new enough to have the manual avliable on-line.

Awesome, thanks!
I'm not a TV-whiz, and I looked at the specs but didn't notice anything, so here is the TV I have: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specifications.grp?lg=en&section=2&group=6&product=3030
Can you please tell me if it has the feature to support 480p? (certainly it doesn't support 1080i).

 

[wgb113]

Majarvis,

It would appear from that link that the best video input you have available is S-Video. That said, I'd highly recommend using that connection as you'll notice an improvement over composite (yellow jack).

I had my Mitsubishi WS-55411 professionally calibrated 6 weeks ago. PS2 games look much better whether 480i or 480p, I can't wait to see what GT4 will look like. I'm using Monster's Gamelink 400 component video cables connected directly to my TV, and an Acoustic Research optical cable connected to my Rotel RSP-1066.

I hear the DPLII soundtrack on GT4 is quite good as well. I've found that aspect of other games to vary greatly. Games like SOCOM use it to good effect but others, like ESPN NFL 2K5, you barely notice anything going on.

GT4 sounds like it will offer a lot of eye and ear candy for those with capable systems.

Now if I could only get my hands on one of those Subaru WRX GT4 pods...

Bill

 

[Majarvis]

Majarvis,

It would appear from that link that the best video input you have available is S-Video. That said, I'd highly recommend using that connection as you'll notice an improvement over composite (yellow jack).

I had my Mitsubishi WS-55411 professionally calibrated 6 weeks ago. PS2 games look much better whether 480i or 480p, I can't wait to see what GT4 will look like. I'm using Monster's Gamelink 400 component video cables connected directly to my TV, and an Acoustic Research optical cable connected to my Rotel RSP-1066.

I hear the DPLII soundtrack on GT4 is quite good as well. I've found that aspect of other games to vary greatly. Games like SOCOM use it to good effect but others, like ESPN NFL 2K5, you barely notice anything going on.

GT4 sounds like it will offer a lot of eye and ear candy for those with capable systems.

Now if I could only get my hands on one of those Subaru WRX GT4 pods...

Bill

Really? I was told when I bought my component video cables that they offer superior picture quality since each colour range has its own seperate cable...?

 

[MailMan]

Really? I was told when I bought my component video cables that they offer superior picture quality since each colour range has its own seperate cable...?

Don't confuse Composite and Component

Composite is 1 yellow cable while Component consists of 3 cables, Red, Blue and Green.

 

[Buck-O]

Majarvis,

It would appear from that link that the best video input you have available is S-Video. That said, I'd highly recommend using that connection as you'll notice an improvement over composite (yellow jack).

I had my Mitsubishi WS-55411 professionally calibrated 6 weeks ago. PS2 games look much better whether 480i or 480p, I can't wait to see what GT4 will look like. I'm using Monster's Gamelink 400 component video cables connected directly to my TV, and an Acoustic Research optical cable connected to my Rotel RSP-1066.

I hear the DPLII soundtrack on GT4 is quite good as well. I've found that aspect of other games to vary greatly. Games like SOCOM use it to good effect but others, like ESPN NFL 2K5, you barely notice anything going on.

GT4 sounds like it will offer a lot of eye and ear candy for those with capable systems.

Now if I could only get my hands on one of those Subaru WRX GT4 pods...

Bill

WRONG!!!


He has component cable inputs.

Component is FAR superior to S-Video in picture quality.

 

[Buck-O]

Awesome, thanks!
I'm not a TV-whiz, and I looked at the specs but didn't notice anything, so here is the TV I have: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specifications.grp?lg=en&section=2&group=6&product=3030
Can you please tell me if it has the feature to support 480p? (certainly it doesn't support 1080i).

Well, i went to Toshibas site, and grabbed your manual.

http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/ConsumerProductSupport/Manuals/TV/2004/20_24AF44.pdf

...and this is what it said.

The ColorStream inputs on this TV are for use
with devices that output 480i interlaced
signals ONLY. This TV will not accept or
display 480p or 720p progressive scan
signals or 1080i interlaced high-definition
signals. If you connect a high-definition settop
receiver, 480p progressive scan DVD
player, or other similar device to the TV’s
ColorStream inputs, YOU MUST SWITCH
THE DEVICE’S OUTPUT TO 480i INTERLACED
MODE FIRST. Failure to do this will
cause a poor picture or no picture to display.

So unfortunatly, you cant run 480P. But at least you have a component input on your TV to experience the higher picture quality, and improved color.

 

[wgb113]

WRONG!!!

I didn't go as far as you did, into the manual and such, and didn't know Toshiba calls their component inputs "Color Stream". In that case that should technically be the best connection for picture quality for him, though there will NOT be as big a difference between S-Video and component at 480i on a display his size. If they plan on getting a capable display down the road, a set of component cables would be a good investment, otherwise I'd stick with S-Video.

Just my $.02

Bill

 

[Crzypdilly]

I didn't go as far as you did, into the manual and such, and didn't know Toshiba calls their component inputs "Color Stream". In that case that should technically be the best connection for picture quality for him, though there will NOT be as big a difference between S-Video and component at 480i on a display his size. If they plan on getting a capable display down the road, a set of component cables would be a good investment, otherwise I'd stick with S-Video.

Just my $.02

Bill

On my 27" RCA there was a huge difference. I even paused my game and check out composite vs s-video. There was improvement, but not much. S-video vs component was great! I was really surprised how much better the PQ was. I'd say its more of an improvement than composite to s-video. You can buy a set of MadCatz component video cables really cheap. Probably around $20. Well worth it IMO.

 

[Martinmaxx]

Has anyone noticed any image problems while playing GT4 under 1080i setting?

I am using this display setting with a SHARP AQUOS LC-30HV4U 30 inch LCD TV (1280x768) connected by component cables, and at the start of the 6 car races (when all of them are rendered at the same time), the image gets "slatted", as if watching it through a tilting window blind. There are no frame slowdows during this image issue, though. But it is quite annoying.

Maybe I´ll try 480p instead.

Looking forward to hearing your experience under 1080i/480p/480i.

 

[Buck-O]

I didn't go as far as you did, into the manual and such, and didn't know Toshiba calls their component inputs "Color Stream". In that case that should technically be the best connection for picture quality for him, though there will NOT be as big a difference between S-Video and component at 480i on a display his size. If they plan on getting a capable display down the road, a set of component cables would be a good investment, otherwise I'd stick with S-Video.

Just my $.02

Bill

They dont call the inputs "color Stream", that refers to the filtering method used to improve the picture quality (its probibly BS, simply relying on the cleaner signal to improve the color, not an actual filtering solution), and that gets carried over into the name. THe manul clearly calls them component inputs, as do most retail sites that carry the TV.

And even on a disply his size, the difference between Component, and S-Video is noticable. Especially in games. If we where taking movies, then yes i might agree. But in game where you have static (read: Non-moving) lines, and images, you can easily see the dot crawl from teh cominance and luminance signals fighting for space on S-Video. THis problem is, of course, solved with Component cables which seperate the crominance and luminance channels from the video signal (which most people dont understand and call "R,G,B" out of marketing stupidity).

Really, if your set is capable of allowing the display of a superior input method, i would recemend you use it. Reguardless of weither it is full feature rich, or not. There will be noted improvment.

 

[Buck-O]

Has anyone noticed any image problems while playing GT4 under 1080i setting?

I am using this display setting with a SHARP AQUOS LC-30HV4U 30 inch LCD TV (1280x768) connected by component cables, and at the start of the 6 car races (when all of them are rendered at the same time), the image gets "slatted", as if watching it through a tilting window blind. There are no frame slowdows during this image issue, though. But it is quite annoying.

Maybe I´ll try 480p instead.

Looking forward to hearing your experience under 1080i/480p/480i.

I DO NOT have GT4. But, it is my understanding that all of the menus in GT4 are in 480i in 1080i mode. So, when you actually strt the race, the video resolution changes. Alot of TV's and Projectors do some funky things when the tuner must realocate a signal for a higher or lower resolution. Usually only lasts for a couple seconeds, and then its disappears.

I imagine, this is whats happening here.


Also, your projector, does not natively handle 1080i. It may SUPPORT 1080i, but all 1080i signals must be downgraded. As 1080i image size is 1920x1080, its obvious there will need to be some image converting to get it to dislay on your 1280x768 display. So there is a likely hood that part of what you are seeing as well, is the video scaler catching up to properly scale the 1080i fed signal to display it properly, along with the resolution switch. And that causes the blind effect.


Keep in mind, i dont have GT4, and i dont have your projector, nor have i worked with one.

Im mearly throwing out some ideas bassed on what i know to be true with projectors, and HD displays from my own HT experience.

 

[Majarvis]

Well, i went to Toshibas site, and grabbed your manual.

http://tacpservice.toshiba.com/ConsumerProductSupport/Manuals/TV/2004/20_24AF44.pdf

...and this is what it said.




So unfortunatly, you cant run 480P. But at least you have a component input on your TV to experience the higher picture quality, and improved color.

Thank you very much for finding this out for me, really appreciated

 

[Buck-O]

Thank you very much for finding this out for me, really appreciated

Your very welcome.

 

[jackmugen]

i just bought the component set. the picture is a lot brighter than s video and shaper. like in socom 2 dark maps are a lot brighter and i have my brightness farther down than when i had s video. when i had s video i could barely see the darker wheels in gt3 when selecting them, but now i see them perfect. if your tv can handle component get it. 👍

 

[BlackZ28]

What other games support 1080i? I just bought my TV and I want to see some games that support it. I own all three consoles.

 

[wgb113]

What other games support 1080i? I just bought my TV and I want to see some games that support it.

I'd be curious as well, I don't know of any other PS2 titles that support HD.

Component cables through an HD capable set will give you the best picture quality possible from the PS2.

Bill

 

[jesgbp42000]

This may be a stupid question, but does this mean this game will run in a 16:9 widescreen format?

 

[wgb113]

I believe I read that it is in widescreen. It would only make sense for the type of game it is.

 

[Buck-O]

What other games support 1080i? I just bought my TV and I want to see some games that support it. I own all three consoles.

SOmwhere there is a website with a complete list of games, and what they support. From...

Weither they support widescreen or not.
What ED or HD modes they support (480P, 720P, 1080i)
Weither they support Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic, or Bolby Pro-Logic II.


Its preaty comprehensive. I jsut cant remember the URL.


I know that aside from this on the PS2, the only other 1080i games are onteh XBox. I can only think of two off the top of my head. Matrix Reloaded, and Dragons Lair 3D. Both of those support 1080i. Soul Calibur 2 supports 720P, as do several sports titles. And thats about it for HD games. Most everythign else is in 480P, with the Xbox having most of them, folowed by the Gamecube (provided you can find Component cables for the Gamecube), and then the PS2.


Keep in mind though, that the 1080i output on GT4, while still a 1080i signal, is not actually rendered in 1080i.

And also remember, that in order to get Progressive scan output you MUST have component cables. S-Video, and Composite video can not do progressive scan output.

 

[Buck-O]

This may be a stupid question, but does this mean this game will run in a 16:9 widescreen format?

Yes, the game supports widescreen, jsut like GT3 did.

Once you get into 480P, and 1080i, those formats by default are 16:9.

 

[ChimbicaCorsa]

Yes, the game supports widescreen, jsut like GT3 did.

Once you get into 480P, and 1080i, those formats by default are 16:9.

The default is 16:9, but can i have the option to use 480p and 1080i in 4:3 format in GT4? (I mean can i choose 4:3 and 1080i for example) I'm asking this because my tv suports 480p and 1080i but the format of my tv is 4:3

 

[spawn9999999]

SOmwhere there is a website with a complete list of games, and what they support. From...

Weither they support widescreen or not.
What ED or HD modes they support (480P, 720P, 1080i)
Weither they support Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic, or Bolby Pro-Logic II.


Its preaty comprehensive. I jsut cant remember the URL.

Here it is- www.hdgames.net

 

[BlackZ28]

And also remember, that in order to get Progressive scan output you MUST have component cables. S-Video, and Composite video can not do progressive scan output.

I thought s-video was capable of 480p?