197bhp Club ()

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Melluish_F1
It's never going to be perfect of course but maybe the suggestion of running 197bhp with a higher weight would work better?
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One class could be RM cars? Another, as Melluish says, higher weight cars, both classes within the 197bhp spec?

I enjoyed the race a lot, I had two cars prepared, the Tommy Kaira ZZ-S, (PP 499) which is a great little car, easy to handle and adding some weight only made it better. I could drive consistent very low 1:25´s with that car.

The other was the Opel Speedster (PP 492) which actually was the faster of the two, 1:23.xxx) but I never managed to control its tendency to understeer.
 
Ok so two days per week (vote coming for the 2nd day)

You should bring two main cars

First of which should end up being 197hp or less, 800kg+ (instead of last weeks700kg)
No race cars, RM, or lotus elise (anyone care to expand this list?).
I am going to allow 20KG ballist if you are slightly under the 800kg figure.
EG if your car is 780kg, thats fine add 20kg ballist.
Power wise you can restrict from 216hp down to 197. (please do not restrict from higher than 216 as it is unfair)

I am going to respectfully ask people to follow these rules, if you have to resort to cheating **** off :P this is meant to be fun.

So hopefully this widens peoples range of cars they can use somewhat while still keeping us all even.

Then your second car

500PP or less. RM, lotus etc is allowed (you are not forced to use them). The weight here will be 700kg. This race should be fairly quicker than the first race. Ligther, aero etc.

We will firstly have the 197hp road car race. Afterwords the 500PP race. You are free to come and go for either or do both.

Both must use sports soft tyres or less.


Thoughts?
 
All sounds pretty reasonable mate.

Even though it's only fun, you could have a points tally where your best 2 finishes from the 4 races each week going towards a league. That means that people can still race both nights (4 races) with their best 2 going towards the table but those that may miss one of the nights - will still have a 2 race score? If that actually makes any sense?!

Think I will have another 2 or 3 mates interested.
 
It's a shame that this club which was starting out as a 'just turn up with 197bhp' or less and race is starting to become too serious. Why does there always have to be a points system? Why so many restrictions etc. Just bring a car with 197 bhp or less and race...who cares who wins? Just race round and have fun.
 
DJAbacus
It's a shame that this club which was starting out as a 'just turn up with 197bhp' or less and race is starting to become too serious. Why does there always have to be a points system? Why so many restrictions etc. Just bring a car with 197 bhp or less and race...who cares who wins? Just race round and have fun.
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The trouble is it's a bit like taking a bazooka to a gun show , yes it's allowed but it takes the fun out of it . :)
 
I'm going to have to have a look in my garage. My copen is going to be far too light for the 197's now. I might go for an old car. I seem to have a fetish for pimping odd cars. I'll see what I can come up with.

If not everyone is interested in a league we could have the league races on the second night. That way we still have fun racing on a Saturday and the league races can be held mid week. To be fair we are getting enough people interested now that a 197side league could easily be setup and not interfere with the true 197 club. Asdfg11 I'm not trying to steal the club just that we are a good bunch who enjoy racing with each other. If some want to keep it fun and others want to make it a little bit more competitive it doesn't necessarily have to interfere with the original idea you started.
 
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JayPercival
..If not everyone is interested in a league we could have the league races on the second night. That way we still have fun racing on a Saturday and the league races can be held mid week.
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I would be interested in a league as part of the 197bhp event. It seems there are a lot of interesting cars in this class, and a bit of competitive edge wouldnt be so bad..:) I´ve found an never driven oldie but goodie in my garage suitable for the +800 kg class, so I´m looking forward to next saturday.
 
DJAbacus
It's a shame that this club which was starting out as a 'just turn up with 197bhp' or less and race is starting to become too serious. Why does there always have to be a points system? Why so many restrictions etc. Just bring a car with 197 bhp or less and race...who cares who wins? Just race round and have fun.
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WIL9731
The trouble is it's a bit like taking a bazooka to a gun show , yes it's allowed but it takes the fun out of it . :)
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Exactly correct Wil, I "just" turned up with my CRX which was competitive the week before to be almost half a lap behind in my own race... that wasnt so fun lol.

The 2nd race 500PP I came 2nd, having some downforce was sure nice.

So my thoughts for the extra restrictions was to give people a wider choice of cars and not be forced to use the elise etc to take part. I am not trying to make it not fun... just trying to strike a balance tbh.


I dont personally have much of an interest in running a championship with points etc (not to say its a bad idea, just I dont have it in me to organize lol), but if someone wants to branch off and create one I will happily join and promte it here :)
 
How about a Tuesday night midweek race starting tonight. Make it simple have cars with max 197 bhp and whatever min weight the regs are without having to muck around with the power and ballast adjustments. Just get your car, take it to the tuning shop if you have to just keep within the regs. Just so happens tonight is a Tue night. Anyone up for a trial run?
 
But I am unable to disallow and enforce the non use of the power and ballist restictions.

The options that GT5 allow to be set is

Max HP, Min Weight

*OR*

PP points

I dont know why they have done it this way.
 
If its possible may i be able to join in this saturday's race? i enjoyed the last time we did it and would be great if its possible to do again :)

And with the new additional rules, the car i used last time probably wont be able to participate [The bright yellow triumph] as it weighed 718kg without Ballast, but having to change into different cars adds to the strategy and makes it more enjoyable to try out different cars ;)
800kg Limit is a good benchmark though for the non-500PP Racers. keeps the elises out and still lets us use a good variety of cars :)
 
Are you still accepting drivers for this weekends race? Or the weekday race?
Would you like to know the car beforehand?
PS: I use a controller:dopey:
 
ID_racing
I would be interested in a league as part of the 197bhp event. It seems there are a lot of interesting cars in this class, and a bit of competitive edge wouldnt be so bad..:) I´ve found an never driven oldie but goodie in my garage suitable for the +800 kg class, so I´m looking forward to next saturday.
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It wouldn't happen to be from 1976would it? :)
 
Can I just clarify something please? As this is the 197 club, the second 500pp race is still going to be limited to 197 bhp isn't it? Its just that the weight has been reduced for this race to 700kg. Is that right?

Also if this is the case is there any limit to restricting HP. i.e. can I down grade a 394bhp car to 197bhp to compete? Or do the ballast (20kg) and HP downgrade rules stay the same?

J
 
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Heres an idea. Whoever is heading up these rounds, they put up a specific list of cars to choose from then leave it up to the drivers to get one of the cars, tune it if need be then just race.
 
DJAbacus, use your favourates list (although I think the latest update done away with that need)

dam your guys making this seem complex! The 500PP race was a anything goes race, 300hp 4ton tank is fine if thats what you desire. The only rules for it was 500PP and sports soft.

Boyce, not very realistic and way more hassle than I want.
Unless its a smaller list of cars.. hmm
 
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asdfg11
DJAbacus, use your favourates list (although I think the latest update done away with that need)
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Thanks for answering my questions mate...still pretty green to this...haven't been home for a few days so not checked what I can do...I will be around for the 2nd race so I can race my lupo....what time should I show up?
 
So this week I've got my self a

Vitz RS Turbo '02
197bhp
Weight: 873kg
Pp:453
Colour - Silver
Slightly tuned / my first time !!
Currently doing a 1:42 @Madrid is this a good time ? :)


After some tuning now running low 1:40 :) a little way to go to the 1:38
 
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asdfg11
How does it handle? I have horrid memories of a Vitz/Yaris not able to do corners lol
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It's alright really , not sure what I've done with the suspension but it's not to bad it's not like the civic which can turn on the spot but it seems to go round quicker by 1.5sec . Now I just need to know if it's worth messing with it a little more for the lap time or if my current time is competitive ?
 

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